 StuartMWWho Is John Galt?Premium
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| TSA detains sick girl... Yup the TSA has stopped another terrorist innocent citizen. I feel so safe.
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A 12-year-old girl who uses a wheelchair was detained for nearly an hour at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport by Transportation Security Administration agents who said they detected traces of bomb residue on her hands, according to her mother.
»www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/14/ts···residue/
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12 years old, sick with a bone disease, traveling for medical treatment, not feeling well, treated like a suspect, scared and kept from her mother...
Reason and logic out the window.
Sadistic bastards.
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| said by aussiedog:Reason and logic out the window.
And that's why these incidents have and will continue to happen.
The TSA is not allowed to "profile" that is look for people that may present a real threat. They therefore have to consider everyone of any age as a threat. Thus a small child and a grandmother are considered "equal" in that sense. Common sense and reason are thus discarded in the name of not profiling (and therefore offending) anyone.
The TSA will just say they were "following procedure" which is true. They did their job just as an automaton would do. No thought or common sense was required. "Did you follow procedure? Yes sir, we followed all steps in section 156 sub-section 23, paragraph iv". The fact that any reasonable person could determine that the 12-yr wheelchair bound girl posed absolutely no risk was irrelevant to these "officials".
Such are the organizations "keeping you safe".
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We are sensitive to the concerns of passengers who were not satisfied with their screening experience and we invite those individuals to provide feedback to TSA through a variety of channels."
That and two dollars will get you a Starbucks.
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Fernandina Beach, FL | reply to StuartMW
If that ended up as a plane with a hole in the side, we'd all be bitching even louder about the same group. |
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| Actually I wouldn't (can't speak for others). I recognize that life itself is risky. If one travels by air there is a remote possibility that the plane could be destroyed by terrorism. It could also crash because of a flock of birds. Or I could have an automobile accident. Or I could fail to see a 18-wheeler while crossing the road.
The point is that any security should be appropriate to the level of risk and in a (supposedly) free society allow citizens to go about their business with a minimum of fuss.
The alternative is a Police State where you have next to no freedom but are "safe" (except from the State).
Your choice.
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said by sivran:You can get Starbucks that cheap?
At the coffee shop at the Tuttle Park Place parking garage on the Ohio State campus I can get a Starbucks coffee for $1.60.
Senior coffee at the CMH Airport McDonalds is fifty cents - and it's NOT in the terminal building 
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I always wonder what would happen if one day everyone just started to ignore the TSA.
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| Well I don't think any gummint is going to allow its citizens to ignore its authority. At least not for long. If that occurred with the TSA my guess is that they'd be armed or have armed guards.
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| said by StuartMW:Well I don't think any gummint is going to allow its citizens to ignore its authority. At least not for long. If that occurred with the TSA my guess is that they'd be armed or have armed guards.
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And do what against a nation of taxpayers who are simply ignoring them?
Do you believe airports full of people would be shot? Arrested? The logistics are difficult.
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said by itsbry:If that ended up as a plane with a hole in the side, we'd all be bitching even louder about the same group.
Nope. And the chance of that ending up as a plane with a hole in the side is infinitesimal. But thank you for drinking the koolaid.
If you're a TSA agent and get suspicious results, you resolve the situation immediately. You do not stand around for an hour; you do not harass a child; and you do not keep the child from her mother. That's bureaucratic bs, and beyond the pale. |
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said by EUS:And do what against a nation of taxpayers who are simply ignoring them?
Do you believe airports full of people would be shot? Arrested? The logistics are difficult.
We are not, yet, a Nation of anarchists. For instance, I could not just ignore them. Even if I could, I would not want to take the chance of seeing what might happen, not just to me but to anyone who might try such folly.
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| Anarchists, patriots, communists, terrorists, I wasn't looking for labels, merely thinking about the stunned looks on the faces of TSA agents everywhere as people simply ignored them.
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said by StuartMW:Actually I wouldn't (can't speak for others). I recognize that life itself is risky. If one travels by air there is a remote possibility that the plane could be destroyed by terrorism. It could also crash because of a flock of birds. Or I could have an automobile accident. Or I could fail to see a 18-wheeler while crossing the road.
The point is that any security should be appropriate to the level of risk and in a (supposedly) free society allow citizens to go about their business with a minimum of fuss.
The term we use at work with regards to risks associated to safety and security is ALARP, which stands for As Low As Reasonably Practicable.
In other words, measures should be taken to keep risks as low as possible, but without going overboard to the point where is becomes unreasonably costly and a major hindrance.
When dealing with risk, it's a case of diminishing returns. As some point you need to assess that you're taking enough precautions, but not too many. You can't eliminate risk completely, it is not possible.
I think the TSA and many other aviation security agencies have gone way overboard. They've entered the zone of diminished returns where there is very little reduction of risk but at considerable expense and public inconvenience. |
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said by EUS:I always wonder what would happen if one day everyone just started to ignore the TSA.
First, they'd probably yell "Freeze!" After that failed to work, they'd call for some supervisors to come review the situation. Finally, they'd summon local police authorities to intervene - who, if they had any sense, would just shrug and walk away. Ah, well... I can always dream...
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Everything in life has a cost and benefit to it. That includes the TSA. But man, their costs way outweigh the agencies benefit.
The TSA is just one single example of bumbling inefficient bureaucracies and an example of, "We are from the government and are here to help you!"
The TSA staff are improperly trained, underpaid, and in many ways, but not all ways, ineffective while frequently demonstrating inexplicably bad judgment, (as in this particular case), and of just being routinely rude or paranoid to members of the public undeserving of such treatment or attitudes.
To be fair there are a lot of members of the public that provoke or confront frontline TSA reps that have done nothing to deserve such harassment which simply feeds the circle of animosity and problems between both parties.
The TSA so dramatically needs to be reorganized or done away with and replaced by alternatives but it will never happen to any meaningful degree. Very unfortunate. |
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said by TheMG:... When dealing with risk, it's a case of diminishing returns. As some point you need to assess that you're taking enough precautions, but not too many. You can't eliminate risk completely, it is not possible.
I think the TSA and many other aviation security agencies have gone way overboard. They've entered the zone of diminished returns where there is very little reduction of risk but at considerable expense and public inconvenience.
I think it long ago ceased to be about risk reduction, and instead became all about holding "terrorism" directly in the public's face to keep fear alive. There are a lot of things power-hungry governments can get away with if the public can be made to become fixated on a threat. In this case, the "threat" is dangled before the public at every airport security line, and the DHS functionaries are displayed as "all that stands between travelers and disaster". And as citizens, we not only put up with it, we pay for it as well - in time, money, and humiliation.
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