Ok. But where is any announcement from the state of Hawaii regarding this? All I see is this:

»hawaii.gov/dot/hawaiis-legal-presence-law

And Hawaiian Airlines says Real ID/USA Passport is required starting Jan 15, 2013.

Can I use my Hawaii State ID? The above linked site says "valid" state ID but doe not explain further. Mine was issued in 1977 and has no expiration date. It has my fingerprints on the back (index and middle finger of both hands) and I retain the address listed on the card. (Of course, the photo is really old). ;) That qualifies to prove name and date of birth. You can't use your current driver's license to prove anything. But Hawaii State ID doesn't prove legal presence. Only a birth certificate from the state of birth can do that (and I am not sure if mine is from the state of birth or the hospital).

County of Hawaii website gives same information as the above linked site. Plus, I am invited by the County of Hawaii to discuss this on their website on Facebook...YUCK.

I vividly recall earlier this year that the state of Hawaii said we had to have REAL ID drivers license by Jan 15 2013 (if we intended to board a commercial aircraft and/or enter state/federal buildings) and if ours was not expiring by that date that we would pay a smaller charge for a new card (not the full $40). If that has changed where is the information?

Even if I could wait to get it, I still would have to do it before mine expires and mó bettah do it fairly soon so it expires well after the cutoff date for renewing every two years because of age.

Ok. But where is any announcement from the state of Hawaii regarding this?

Anarchists, patriots, communists, terrorists, I wasn't looking for labels, merely thinking about the stunned looks on the faces of TSA agents everywhere as people simply ignored them.

Mele vs Shark

Floaties? Oh... you mean the bobbers for the sharkie num-nums. :)

I don't care about entering federal and state buildings. I care that TSA will not accept (for proof of identity) Hawaii driver's licenses that are non-compliant with RealID. The last I read the change takes effect on Jan 15, 2013.

The TSA is a bureaucratically-driven, central-governmental organization.

... The ACLU raises a very valid question similar to mine (about what if I, or any Hawaii neighbor island resident, needs emergency medical treatment on Oahu and hasn't yet gotten their Real ID)? What happens when folks who spent the holidays in Hawaii and loved it enough to not leave for their Mainland homes until after January 14? Is TSA at Honolulu International Airport going to deny them the right to board their flights to the Mainland because they are citizens of states where Real ID is against the law and thus no way for them to have Real ID drivers license? Will they be informed that ignorance of the law is no defense and they should have obtained a USA Passport if their state was refusing to comply with Real ID? It's scary and, given the stories we read frequently (like this one currently about the sick child and TSA), I wouldn't put it past TSA to deny boarding even in the face of a medical emergency that cannot be handled outside of Oahu or to deny boarding to those returning home after Jan 14 who do not have Real ID or current USA Passports.

Yeah, but a state like Hawaii just implemented Real ID this year. I renewed my driver's license in 2011 for 8 years. Now I have to pay for a new one before Jan 15 2013....bummer.

I bet you wouldn't check those TWO small suitcases today...not at $35-60 a pop going AND coming. You'd check ONE larger suitcase so a lesser fee...or better, do what everyone else does who isn't rich, stuff it in a carry-on and then you would have to present the correct size baggie with your toiletries to the agent, etc. It would take more than 5 minutes. Plus, after January 15 you would have to have REAL ID to fly (at least here in Hawaii).

... logic, it's something that this gov't lacks within the TSA, CIA, NSA.

Maybe you should blame the terrorists who strap bombs to kids. Or just get over it.

What really burns me up is the monetization of the the security checkpoints. I'm referring to Nexus/Global Entry/Pre check/Frequent flyer priority lanes.

Why the hell is it OK to let SOME people bypass security checks? Do they not think that someone looking to get past security might go through the process to get one of these things?

Even just access to shorter lines for frequent flyers seems wrong to me. These things remove incentive for the TSA to improve the process for ALL passengers.

I've flown to the USA a few times and while all of the screenings I went through were without incident, I can't say that they were "quick and efficient".

Then again, it's not "quick and efficient" here in Canada either. But at least we get to keep our shoes on.

On average I've spent significantly more time waiting in security line-ups at airports, than the amount of time spent at the check-in counters.

Maybe you should blame the terrorists who strap bombs to kids.

As much as I have flown, I was only hassled once by TSA. And it was well before 9/11.

underpaid my arse. $18.00 entry level with a lot of OT and federal bennies.. yes, they are underpaid.

Last time I accompanied a friend who uses a wheelchair through an American Airport and the TSA checkpoint, we had a very informative TSA person (Las Vegas TSA are great I find). He mentioned that some hand lotions can contain a certain chemical that can trigger a false positive reading when they do their tests. The TSA agent we dealt with tested my friend's wheelchair first and then my friend's hands. Normally if they get a positive result on a test, they should be testing the rest of the chair and user just to make sure it's not a false positive.

And how many thousands of people pass through TSA screenings every day without incident and whose screenings are quick and efficient? We never hear about those - only the anomalies make the news.

Last time I accompanied a friend who uses a wheelchair through an American Airport and the TSA checkpoint, we had a very informative TSA person (Las Vegas TSA are great I find). He mentioned that some hand lotions can contain a certain chemical that can trigger a false positive reading when they do their tests. The TSA agent we dealt with tested my friend's wheelchair first and then my friend's hands. Normally if they get a positive result on a test, they should be testing the rest of the chair and user just to make sure it's not a false positive.

Bad example. The Aloha Airlines flight wasn't a terrorist act. It has nothing to do with TSA.