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d4m1r
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Re: Why is Tek still keeping logs???

said by MaynardKrebs:

said by Guspaz:

Gabe has already stated that most of the child pornography cases they've been asked for info on have involved pulling data from one or more months back.

But is that *alone* enough reason to keep logs > 2 weeks?

I'm pretty sure Sonic is a fair bit bigger than TSI, and given that I'm sure that they too have their share of kidporn law enforcement requests - which once triggered for a customer would be continually siphoned off. The Sonic 2-week standard does not impede that.

Couldn't agree more....Do a few criminal court proceedings that could *possibly* be impeded justify logging ALL IP assignments and other info for 3 months? The simple answer is no.

@UK_Dave, the way it has played out in Europe is those ISP had those policies in place BEFORE the police came to them looking for information. Like I said, so regardless of whether they actually wanted to give out that information or not in the first place doesn't matter as they can't. There has been no public outcry and the ISPs are perfectly within their right as they are not impeding any criminal investigations because they don't have logs in the first place....To them, it was merely a business decision.
UK_Dave
join:2011-01-27
Powassan, ON

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@UK_Dave, the way it has played out in Europe is those ISP had those policies in place BEFORE the police came to them looking for information. Like I said, so regardless of whether they actually wanted to give out that information or not in the first place doesn't matter as they can't. There has been no public outcry and the ISPs are perfectly within their right as they are not impeding any criminal investigations because they don't have logs in the first place....To them, it was merely a business decision.
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Yes, I've said the same pretty much here too.

I am not talking about ways for people to wangle their way out of this existing issue - well, apart from my post mentioning log accuracy and corroborating evidence.

The whole reason I dug around was to find out, going forward, if there was a legal minimum (there isn't), and to see if the defence of "sorry we don't keep them" would be possible, again under current legislation (it could) without any legal issues.

If you say you have them, turn them over. If you don't have them, there is nothing wrong with that.

I did suggest to one of my contacts, that in allowing these voluntary held logs to be used for issues such as this, it may dissuade ISP's from having them at all.

At which point, they kill the golden goose and logs are just "not available" in any case, no matter how severe.

hm
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hm

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said by UK_Dave:

At which point, they kill the golden goose and logs are just "not available" in any case, no matter how severe.

And as stated by yourself (or CAIP), this first person raped, or kid that is killed, or whatever terrorist act creeps up, that ISP will be dragged over the coals in public.

You are basically stating too bad for the kid that was stalked on facebook and killed. I think that is rather juvenile. And just to protect some pimple faced kid downloading a movie?

There has to be a balance. Not extremism on either end.
UK_Dave
join:2011-01-27
Powassan, ON

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"You are basically stating too bad for the kid that was stalked on facebook and killed. I think that is rather juvenile. And just to protect some pimple faced kid downloading a movie?"
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I think you had better start explaining where I said that.
qewey
join:2007-10-04

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said by hm :

said by UK_Dave:

At which point, they kill the golden goose and logs are just "not available" in any case, no matter how severe.

And as stated by yourself (or CAIP), this first person raped, or kid that is killed, or whatever terrorist act creeps up, that ISP will be dragged over the coals in public.

You are basically stating too bad for the kid that was stalked on facebook and killed. I think that is rather juvenile. And just to protect some pimple faced kid downloading a movie?

There has to be a balance. Not extremism on either end.

sounds like the same argument line as the infamous "if you are not with us, you are with the child pornographers" from Vic Toews in parliament on the online surveillance bill, C-30.

»news.nationalpost.com/20 ··· c-toews/

»www.cbc.ca/news/politics ··· ons.html

yes real balanced all right .....