<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

<rss version="2.0" xmlns:blogChannel="http://backend.userland.com/blogChannelModule">

<channel>
<title>Topic &#x27;Re: Linux Pulls The Plug On i386&#x27; in forum &#x27;All Things Unix&#x27; - dslreports.com</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27822103</link>
<description></description>
<language>en</language>
<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 16:37:01 EDT</pubDate>
<lastBuildDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 16:37:01 EDT</lastBuildDate>

<item>
<title>Re: Linux Pulls The Plug On i386</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27829629</link>
<description><![CDATA[shdesigns posted : Not sure there are many embedded 386 boxes that would need updating. Probably something that old is in a stable state.]]></description>
<guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27829629</guid>
<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:56:39 EDT</pubDate>
</item>

<item>
<title>Re: Linux Pulls The Plug On i386</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27828506</link>
<description><![CDATA[AVD posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/156437" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=156437');">dave</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/740280" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=740280');">Black Box</a>:</said><p>There are still plenty of embedded 386 boards out there.  </p></div>Perhaps, but why would they want to trade a working kernel for the latest and greatest?<br><br>Rule 1: ~broke => ~fix<br><br>Rule 2: you don't want to be running very new software on very old hardware (because you'll be dissatisfied with speed/memory use/everything)<br> </p></div>exactly<br><small>--<br>* seek help if having trouble coping<br>--Standard disclaimers apply.--</small>]]></description>
<guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27828506</guid>
<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:35:36 EDT</pubDate>
</item>

<item>
<title>Re: Linux Pulls The Plug On i386</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27828472</link>
<description><![CDATA[dave posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/740280" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=740280');">Black Box</a>:</said><p>There are still plenty of embedded 386 boards out there.  </p></div>Perhaps, but why would they want to trade a working kernel for the latest and greatest?<br><br>Rule 1: ~broke => ~fix<br><br>Rule 2: you don't want to be running very new software on very old hardware (because you'll be dissatisfied with speed/memory use/everything)]]></description>
<guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27828472</guid>
<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:21:52 EDT</pubDate>
</item>

<item>
<title>Re: Linux Pulls The Plug On i386</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27828444</link>
<description><![CDATA[Kearnstd posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/740280" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=740280');">Black Box</a>:</said><p>Not so sure it's the best idea. There are still plenty of embedded 386 boards out there. <br> </p></div>It is all about forward progress is how I see things like this and the phasing out of 2g signals by the cell carriers.<br><br>That said linux is open source so the new kernels might still get 386 patching done by other people.  It is just no longer part of official channels.<br><small>--<br>[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports</small>]]></description>
<guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27828444</guid>
<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:10:14 EDT</pubDate>
</item>

<item>
<title>Re: Linux Pulls The Plug On i386</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27826306</link>
<description><![CDATA[JohnInSJ posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/274243" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=274243');">GILXA1226</a>:</said><p>I wonder how many of those embedded boards are running a kernel even at the 2.4 level, let along something considered 'modern' like a 2.6 or 3.x.<br> </p></div>what, and ruin their decade long uptime? NEVER!<br><small>--<br>My place : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.schettino.us" >www.schettino.us</A></small>]]></description>
<guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27826306</guid>
<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:27:21 EDT</pubDate>
</item>

<item>
<title>Re: Linux Pulls The Plug On i386</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27825346</link>
<description><![CDATA[GILXA1226 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/740280" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=740280');">Black Box</a>:</said><p>Not so sure it's the best idea. There are still plenty of embedded 386 boards out there. <br> </p></div>I wonder how many of those embedded boards are running a kernel even at the 2.4 level, let along something considered 'modern' like a 2.6 or 3.x.<br><small>--<br>We don't give a d@mn for the whole state of Michigan... we're from OHIO!  O!H! ... I!O!</small>]]></description>
<guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27825346</guid>
<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 08:50:21 EDT</pubDate>
</item>

<item>
<title>Re: Linux Pulls The Plug On i386</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27824712</link>
<description><![CDATA[AlphaOne posted : Wow, DX and SX ... haven't heard of them for more than a decade.  I thought they're as extinct as the 286 ATs and XTs.]]></description>
<guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27824712</guid>
<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 23:15:30 EDT</pubDate>
</item>

<item>
<title>Re: Linux Pulls The Plug On i386</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27824666</link>
<description><![CDATA[wmcbrine posted : For a minute there I thought they were going to drop the entire 32-bit x86 architecture. I never think of the actual 80386 anymore when I see "i386".<br><small>--<br>09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0</small>]]></description>
<guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27824666</guid>
<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 23:01:23 EDT</pubDate>
</item>

<item>
<title>Re: Linux Pulls The Plug On i386</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27824620</link>
<description><![CDATA[Black Box posted : Not so sure it's the best idea. There are still plenty of embedded 386 boards out there. Also, as Linux prides itself with the diversity of supported architectures I think that this is a blemish on the shiny armor ;)<br><br>I've read the proposed patch and I didn't see anything earth shattering. Some complexity indeed, but everything is #ifdef'd out if the processor is not 386. I may loose the real scope as I did not trace the callers of teh affected functions.<br><small>--<br>Keep It Safe, Stupid!<br>Yes, I <b><A HREF="/forum/canchat/">CanChat</a></b>. Can You?</small>]]></description>
<guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27824620</guid>
<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 22:45:03 EDT</pubDate>
</item>

<item>
<title>Re: Linux Pulls The Plug On i386</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27823088</link>
<description><![CDATA[JohnInSJ posted : heh, I used to run linux on a NEC Versa 6060. Guess no new kernel for that puppy!<br><small>--<br>My place : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.schettino.us" >www.schettino.us</A></small>]]></description>
<guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27823088</guid>
<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:14:21 EDT</pubDate>
</item>

<item>
<title>Re: Linux Pulls The Plug On i386</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27822511</link>
<description><![CDATA[reub2000 posted : Yeah, I saw this on slashdot. I can't believe linux supported this for this long. I don't think any distro even supported this.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.pbase.com/reub2000">My pbase gallery</a></small>]]></description>
<guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27822511</guid>
<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:15:14 EDT</pubDate>
</item>

<item>
<title>Linux Pulls The Plug On i386</title>
<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27822103</link>
<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <A HREF="http://www.zdnet.com/good-bye-386-linux-to-drop-support-for-i386-chips-with-next-major-release-7000008772/">Good-Bye 386: Linux to drop support for i386 chips with next major release</a>:<br><div class="bquote"><p>Ingo Moln&aacute;r, a Red Hat engineer and Linux kernel developer, asked Linus Torvalds, Linux's founder on December 11th to "<A HREF="http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1408391">consider pulling the latest x86-nuke386-for-linus git tree</a>. For those of us who haven't been Linux kernel enthusiasts since day one, Moln&aacute;r explained, "This tree removes ancient-386-CPUs support and thus zaps quite a bit of complexity." He continued, "Unfortunately there's a nostalgic cost: your old original 386 DX33 system from early 1991 won't be able to boot modern Linux kernels anymore. Sniff."<br><br>Indeed, back in 1991, Torvalds sent out a Usenet posting saying, "<A HREF="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/in-the-beginning-linux-circa-1991/8506">I'm doing a (free) operating system</a>. (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu [Gnu] was, and is, the free software collection of programs originated by Richard M. Stallman) for 386(486) AT clones." From that modest beginning Linux began.<br><br>Torvalds responded the next day, December 12th. <A HREF="http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git&a=commitdiff&h=743aa456c1834f76982af44e8b71d1a0b2a82e21">I'm not sentimental. Good riddance</a>." And, so long as the kernel team was thinking about cleaning out the code garage, Torvalds added "I think we should probably at least consider taking this one step further, and remove the dear old FPU [Floating Point Unit] emulation support too." Torvalds wondered though "Or do people still use the 486SX?"<br><br>As it turns out, 486SX will run Linux without any special handling. So, Torvalds has decided "Ok. It sounds like the code actually works despite lack of testing,and it clearly hasn't been the same kind of maintenance pain and problem that the lack of cmpxchg [compare and exchange, an old and troublesome 386 instruction] and friends, so let's leave it alone."<br><br>So while the 486DX and SX will live on in Linux 3.8, the 386 has come to the end of the road in mainstream Linux.<br><br>Worry not, though, if you still have a 386 chugging along in your office. It will still be supported in older versions of the Linux kernel for years still to come. Just don't expect the latest and greatest Linux kernel, which will arrive sometime in early 2013, to run on it.</p></div>]]></description>
<guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Linux-Pulls-The-Plug-On-i386-27822103</guid>
<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:29:28 EDT</pubDate>
</item>

</channel>
</rss>
