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resa1983
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reply to TSI Marc

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Keep in mind that the financial post did a puff piece the day after the first hearing, about nothing, without including any info. All it did was scare.

Seriously though, I don't think the judge will continue the hearings without ruling on CIPPIC's motion to intervene first, as they'd just have to go over stuff again. It wastes time, and everyone wants this over & done with.

All they're doing is trying to sell subs, and keep the issue in the limelight so they can do a 'major' piece come Monday.
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booj

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said by resa1983:

Seriously though, I don't think the judge will continue the hearings without ruling on CIPPIC's motion to intervene first, as they'd just have to go over stuff again. It wastes time, and everyone wants this over & done with.

Wouldn't it be wasting a different court's time though? Judges are often happy to punt an issue down the road if they can.

TSI is playing with fire here. Their savvy customers, which for ages has been their core business, will find other providers en mass if the CIPPIC motion is denied and customer records handed over to this troll. It's a fundamental betryal of their trust.

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If I were a TSI customer and my info was released i'd be upset with them as well, but you can't put the entire blame on them. They gave 2300+ people plenty of time to find a lawyer and be represented anonymously in court on Monday. If these people choose to not fight it themselves and HOPE to have someone else fight on their behalf, then it's on them if they lose, not just on TSI.

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said by d_source:

If I were a TSI customer and my info was released i'd be upset with them as well, but you can't put the entire blame on them. They gave 2300+ people plenty of time to find a lawyer and be represented anonymously in court on Monday. If these people choose to not fight it themselves and HOPE to have someone else fight on their behalf, then it's on them if they lose, not just on TSI.

True, but why pay a lawyer to fight anonymously for you at this point? Hiring a lawyer at this stage sets up an individual for a lengthy and expensive court battle. We all agree that any infringement case brought by Voltage to an individual would eventually be tossed, once a judge is made to consider the methods used by canipre etc. To me, that would be the appropriate time to find a lawyer.

Furthermore, looking at the list of movies allegedly pirated, I'd almost suspect Voltage of going after the dumbest pirates they can find . I'd almost say there's more to this fishing expedition by Voltage than meets the eye...

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reply to resa1983
said by resa1983:

Keep in mind that the financial post did a puff piece the day after the first hearing, about nothing, without including any info. All it did was scare.

Seriously though, I don't think the judge will continue the hearings without ruling on CIPPIC's motion to intervene first, as they'd just have to go over stuff again. It wastes time, and everyone wants this over & done with.

All they're doing is trying to sell subs, and keep the issue in the limelight so they can do a 'major' piece come Monday.

Actually the column shikotee quoted seems to be balanced. I'm a bit surprised by this. Major media outlets have their own interests with respect to copyright reform. There were "puff" pieces from all major news outlets the day after the hearing that was strongly one sided around copyright issues. The reporter that wrote this is also a "reformed lawyer".

Traditionally it's the blogosphere that is responsible for providing information to make sure there is a balanced view to readers. Something that seems to be represented on my stats over the past month. The vast majority that are coming to my blog with respect to this issue, are doing so via searches from Google on Tekksavvy and Voltage, and there is A LOT of people searching on this right now.
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reply to booj
said by booj:

said by resa1983:

Seriously though, I don't think the judge will continue the hearings without ruling on CIPPIC's motion to intervene first, as they'd just have to go over stuff again. It wastes time, and everyone wants this over & done with.

Wouldn't it be wasting a different court's time though? Judges are often happy to punt an issue down the road if they can.

TSI is playing with fire here. Their savvy customers, which for ages has been their core business, will find other providers en mass if the CIPPIC motion is denied and customer records handed over to this troll. It's a fundamental betryal of their trust.

Already happening, when u combine Teksavvy prices which are higher, than almost all other indys, with there lack of willingness to Oppose disclosure its a no brainer, i've been with teksavvy 5 years now and am leaving for a different company this hearing being a major factor, and as much as i love teksavvy i hope they lose thousands over this. so they get the message, and other isps do as well.
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d_source

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reply to booj
I'd pay the lawyer at this point to make sure that it doesn't go any further. It'll be cheaper to do so now and the issue will have been completely resolved, which peace of mind is worth a lot in these matters as well IMO.

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said by jkoblovsky:

Traditionally it's the blogosphere that is responsible for providing information to make sure there is a balanced view to readers. Something that seems to be represented on my stats over the past month. The vast majority that are coming to my blog with respect to this issue, are doing so via searches from Google on Tekksavvy and Voltage, and there is A LOT of people searching on this right now.

Let's make sure that the light show that TSI rolled over based on a cold calculating business decision of what was cheaper for them rather then concerns about their customers privacy.

And while we are at it, strip away the attempt by TSI to spin the delay as "concern" and "care" for their customers. All they did was what the law requires of them to do so to begin with.

Keep shinning the light on them.

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This is so true I think a lot of ppl where mislead to think TSI gave 2 sh$ts via Marc's blog and then bam as the trial neared Marc post some ridiculous Why we are not opposing in DSLReport and not his blog??! Get real...

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said by JohnDoe187:

This is so true I think a lot of ppl where mislead to think TSI gave 2 sh$ts via Marc's blog and then bam as the trial neared Marc post some ridiculous Why we are not opposing in DSLReport and not his blog??! Get real...

I think it's representative of a much larger issue within copyright policy, and that is that there are too many in the private sector that directly protect themselves and run for the door around copyright issues, rather than thinking of the people that ultimately are effected by this.

Copyright policy is intimidating for a lot of reasons, but the reality of where we are with copyright policy, companies should be less concerned about the implications in sticking up for their customers. From SOPA/PIPA, to ACTA and the TPP the copyright lobby is loosing huge within law around the globe. The copyright lobby is now forced to "troll" as a result. They've lost the ideological battle on this.

The thing that really peeves me off about all of this, knowing how weak the copyright lobbies position is, that we're still faced with some in the private sector hiding behind rocks, rather than taking on their direct responsibility under law. That to me, no matter how this turns out with the CIPPIC is wrong, and if history has taught us anything around copyright and how consumers react to this, that may very well change in the days, weeks, months ahead.

In short, there's more of us then there are of them. As a business, I would be more concerned on what consumers think, than any penalties or threats from the IP lobby who's in an extremely weak position within law in the first place. Consumers right now, hold the balance of power on copyright policy globally. And that's represented by the political reaction to not just the EU on ACTA, but also within US politics as well:

»thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valle···congress

Copyright policy also seems to be the #1 issue in Canada as well when you look at the digital economy. Traditional media seems to have a lot less credibility then us bloggers do on the issue:

»wordsbynowak.com/2013/01/02/statistics/

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JohnDoe187

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Amen to this and could agree more. It's just a sad sad situation and attitude.

jkoblovsky

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In Canada recently there seems to be a silent majority here watching what's going on with this case in particular. There seems to be quite the silent majority that has yet to chime in. Something that is very representative in my own blog stats, but check out google trends:

»www.google.com/trends/explore#q=···y&cmpt=q

Major spike in searches relating to this ISP after headlines broke in December about this, and it's peaked in the past week or so. Lots of interest in this, far beyond this forum.
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said by jkoblovsky:

In Canada recently there seems to be a silent majority here watching what's going on with this case in particular. There seems to be quite the silent majority that has yet to chime in. Something that is very representative in my own blog stats, but check out google trends:

»www.google.com/trends/explore#q=···y&cmpt=q

Major spike in searches relating to this ISP after headlines broke in December about this, and it's peaked in the past week or so. Lots of interest in this, far beyond this forum.

That's good to know that even though they're silent that they're not totally ignorant or oblivious to the issues going on here.

We need to stomp out those trolls hard here in Canada otherwise can expect to hear a lot more of that crap that goes on in the US here when other US companies take notice of how easy it is to toy the system.

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I think mostly right now this is tied to TSI customers trying to get more info on what's going on from what my blog stats seem to be suggesting and with what google trends is reporting on copyright etc.

However, it's important to keep an eye on google trends especially after Monday's results whether it turns into a more national movement (which could potentially happen and has happened in the past in Canada). If trolling like this continues, I think we'll start to see a lot more interest in copyright policy pop up nationwide, and a lot more national discussion on the roles ISPs play within law and copyright.
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resa1983
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CIPPIC has filed a motion to adjourn Monday's hearing til the judge can rule on their intervene.

As well, the hearing (in which the judge will make a decision on the motion to adjourn) has been pushed back to 11am from 9:30am.

»cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/In···-2058-12
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said by jkoblovsky:

I think it's representative of a much larger issue within copyright policy, and that is that there are too many in the private sector that directly protect themselves and run for the door around copyright issues, rather than thinking of the people that ultimately are effected by this.

I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Right now were are in a phase of make-believe, thinking we have rights.

When the Trans-Pacific Partnership kicks in, we will have whatever rights the US Trade Representative says we have - and that would be virtually none in the copyright area.

You will, however, have the right to go to jail for copyright infringement.

Who7

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said by resa1983:

CIPPIC has filed a motion to adjourn Monday's hearing til the judge can rule on their intervene.

As well, the hearing (in which the judge will make a decision on the motion to adjourn) has been pushed back to 11am from 9:30am.

»cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/In···-2058-12

Somebody cares because it's certainly not TSI.

resa1983
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said by Who7:

said by resa1983:

CIPPIC has filed a motion to adjourn Monday's hearing til the judge can rule on their intervene.

As well, the hearing (in which the judge will make a decision on the motion to adjourn) has been pushed back to 11am from 9:30am.

»cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/In···-2058-12

Somebody cares because it's certainly not TSI.

You'd be surprised.
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You'd be surprised.
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I'm from Missouri......show me on the 16th.



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said by resa1983:

said by Who7:

said by resa1983:

CIPPIC has filed a motion to adjourn Monday's hearing til the judge can rule on their intervene.

As well, the hearing (in which the judge will make a decision on the motion to adjourn) has been pushed back to 11am from 9:30am.

»cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/In···-2058-12

Somebody cares because it's certainly not TSI.

You'd be surprised.

They've proven this up until the 16th. The error of 42 people already should render these logs inadmissible due to the mistakes.

I've said this time and time again. Until there is a 'foolproof' method, this is a gamble, especially everyone using dynamic ip's. By time an IP is marked as "naughty" 13 other people have used it. Each time your lease expires are you getting an ip from someone who just rang up over 3 TB in warez?

It's a fine line to walk on between innocence and guilty. Too fine for my liking.

Putting all that aside, information is being handed over to a very sketchy business whose business model is a form of extortion. I truly feel sorry for those who are innocent. Their lives are about to be run through the ringer.

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A good read from David Ellis.
»www.davidellis.ca/why-is-teksavv···voltage/
EDIT: I so can't type today.
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said by resa1983:

A good read from David Ellis.
»www.davidellis.ca/why-is-teksavv···voltage/
EDIT: I so can't type today.

This guy does more quoting of other articles that it makes it really boring to read his blog. He's ranting about everything and in the end lost interest.

quote:
Meanwhile, the role TS has allegedly chosen to play was still news as of Thursday in the Financial Post. Legal reporter Christine Dobby writes that TekSavvy has no plans to challenge the film studios motion material as others have in the past. Does she mean no plans ever to challenge? If so, how would she know? Yes, Marc posted a long item on DSLreports about why TekSavvy was not planning to oppose the Voltage motion. But he wrote that almost a month ago and life has moved on since.
So because Marc publicly announced their plans on blog, email, CBC, that means what Christine Dobby assumes is wrong? Cause "so much time has passed" ? lmao.

This blog is a mess. So Marc lied to the courts about an extension to go to court monday with a 007 trick up his sleeve? Give me a break. Marc was transparent about it for a reason. He flat out said the plan.

As i said this blog is an absolute mess

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Tx:
Let me just state that I didn't see this Christine Dobby in the court room for the first hearing. 2nd or 3rd hand information is notoriously suspect. David however was in the courtroom sitting beside me, and taking a TON of notes.

As for Teksavvy's plans not to fight the court order... Marc may have publicly announced not to fight it before the first court date, but circumstances changed, and they did fight it a bit during the first court hearing. Teksavvy's lawyers gave multiple reasons as to why they were fighting it as well. The judge also gave multiple reasons as to why he was adjourning it, all of which were Teksavvy's reasons for fighting the court order.

There were multiple reasons as to the extension. Circumstances changed from between when the original post was made, and the court date. None of which were lies.

I really would read David's post and think about it..
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said by resa1983:

Tx:
Let me just state that I didn't see this Christine Dobby in the court room for the first hearing. 2nd or 3rd hand information is notoriously suspect. David however was in the courtroom sitting beside me, and taking a TON of notes.

As for Teksavvy's plans not to fight the court order... Marc may have publicly announced not to fight it before the first court date, but circumstances changed, and they did fight it a bit during the first court hearing. Teksavvy's lawyers gave multiple reasons as to why they were fighting it as well. The judge also gave multiple reasons as to why he was adjourning it, all of which were Teksavvy's reasons for fighting the court order.

There were multiple reasons as to the extension. Circumstances changed from between when the original post was made, and the court date. None of which were lies.

I really would read David's post and think about it..

They did not fight for their customers but fight for themselves because they made a mistake and send the notice to more than 40 of their customers.

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said by apvm:

said by resa1983:

Tx:
Let me just state that I didn't see this Christine Dobby in the court room for the first hearing. 2nd or 3rd hand information is notoriously suspect. David however was in the courtroom sitting beside me, and taking a TON of notes.

As for Teksavvy's plans not to fight the court order... Marc may have publicly announced not to fight it before the first court date, but circumstances changed, and they did fight it a bit during the first court hearing. Teksavvy's lawyers gave multiple reasons as to why they were fighting it as well. The judge also gave multiple reasons as to why he was adjourning it, all of which were Teksavvy's reasons for fighting the court order.

There were multiple reasons as to the extension. Circumstances changed from between when the original post was made, and the court date. None of which were lies.

I really would read David's post and think about it..

They did not fight for you but fight for themselves because they made a mistake and send the notice to more than 40 of their customers.

Which they didn't need to do. They could have started the IP -> customer name, and had it ready & waiting for when the court order was handed out. By law, Teksavvy doesn't even need to inform you until after the court order's signed because Notice and Notice isn't law yet.

That has happened twice now with other copytroll suits in the last 1 1/2 years.
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reply to resa1983
said by resa1983:

Tx:
Let me just state that I didn't see this Christine Dobby in the court room for the first hearing. 2nd or 3rd hand information is notoriously suspect. David however was in the courtroom sitting beside me, and taking a TON of notes.

As for Teksavvy's plans not to fight the court order... Marc may have publicly announced not to fight it before the first court date, but circumstances changed, and they did fight it a bit during the first court hearing. Teksavvy's lawyers gave multiple reasons as to why they were fighting it as well. The judge also gave multiple reasons as to why he was adjourning it, all of which were Teksavvy's reasons for fighting the court order.

There were multiple reasons as to the extension. Circumstances changed from between when the original post was made, and the court date. None of which were lies.

I really would read David's post and think about it..

Unfortunately for Marc and his transparency model with TSI, he has not publicly stated any other plans other then to give up the information. Doesn't matter who was in the courtroom. Customers go by the 1, the only public announcement the CEO posts.

Sorry, i tried reading David's post, he over quotes. He may not normally write like that, but that post is as i said a mess. I enjoy a good read, don't get me wrong. Both sides of the fence but that blog wasn't a blog. It wasn't very different then quoting someone on here and answering it.

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said by Tx:

Sorry, i tried reading David's post, he over quotes. He may not normally write like that, but that post is as i said a mess. I enjoy a good read, don't get me wrong. Both sides of the fence but that blog wasn't a blog. It wasn't very different then quoting someone on here and answering it.

If you're dissatisfied with the efforts of others, perhaps you could write something which clearly articulates the position of each party to this saga - from day 1 through to the present, including citations of the relevant laws and their interpretations through your own lens, and critique those whom in your opinion have failed miserably, failed moderately, done neither good not evil, or perhaps have the clearest understanding of the correct way forward in this matter. Please elucidate on your efforts to bring superior litigators to the table, including minutes of the calls you made and the discussions therein. I smell "Pulitzer" in this for you.

If, on the other hand, if you're just blowing Bronx cheers from the cheap seats........ kindly let those who are actually paying for legal representation. at great expense, have their say in court before you ride to the rescue.


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said by MaynardKrebs:

said by Tx:

Sorry, i tried reading David's post, he over quotes. He may not normally write like that, but that post is as i said a mess. I enjoy a good read, don't get me wrong. Both sides of the fence but that blog wasn't a blog. It wasn't very different then quoting someone on here and answering it.

If you're dissatisfied with the efforts of others, perhaps you could write something which clearly articulates the position of each party to this saga - from day 1 through to the present, including citations of the relevant laws and their interpretations through your own lens, and critique those whom in your opinion have failed miserably, failed moderately, done neither good not evil, or perhaps have the clearest understanding of the correct way forward in this matter. Please elucidate on your efforts to bring superior litigators to the table, including minutes of the calls you made and the discussions therein. I smell "Pulitzer" in this for you.

If, on the other hand, if you're just blowing Bronx cheers from the cheap seats........ kindly let those who are actually paying for legal representation. at great expense, have their say in court before you ride to the rescue.

Wow dude, you seriously need to take a step back. I was commenting that i could not continue reading a blog and you go on like this?

Take a step back because your version of a allegorical quote from wiki was rather odd, to then this post over my thoughts on a blog.

Get over yourself. I at least remain objective to this ISP unlike others who feel like the love of their life is being attacked.

I commented on a blog and you blow smoke like i just shot Teksavvy's dog.

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said by d_source:

If I were one of the people affected, i definitely wouldn't rely on that! I'd have my own lawyer in there for sure! I'm not even with TSI and I am going to support the funds being collected to stop this mess. It NEEDS to stop on Monday.

what funds? i wasnt aware we could help donate for this cause?

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