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JohnDoe187

join:2013-01-04
reply to jkoblovsky

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Amen to this and could agree more. It's just a sad sad situation and attitude.

jkoblovsky

join:2011-09-27
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In Canada recently there seems to be a silent majority here watching what's going on with this case in particular. There seems to be quite the silent majority that has yet to chime in. Something that is very representative in my own blog stats, but check out google trends:

»www.google.com/trends/explore#q=···y&cmpt=q

Major spike in searches relating to this ISP after headlines broke in December about this, and it's peaked in the past week or so. Lots of interest in this, far beyond this forum.
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cynic10

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said by jkoblovsky:

In Canada recently there seems to be a silent majority here watching what's going on with this case in particular. There seems to be quite the silent majority that has yet to chime in. Something that is very representative in my own blog stats, but check out google trends:

»www.google.com/trends/explore#q=···y&cmpt=q

Major spike in searches relating to this ISP after headlines broke in December about this, and it's peaked in the past week or so. Lots of interest in this, far beyond this forum.

That's good to know that even though they're silent that they're not totally ignorant or oblivious to the issues going on here.

We need to stomp out those trolls hard here in Canada otherwise can expect to hear a lot more of that crap that goes on in the US here when other US companies take notice of how easy it is to toy the system.

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I think mostly right now this is tied to TSI customers trying to get more info on what's going on from what my blog stats seem to be suggesting and with what google trends is reporting on copyright etc.

However, it's important to keep an eye on google trends especially after Monday's results whether it turns into a more national movement (which could potentially happen and has happened in the past in Canada). If trolling like this continues, I think we'll start to see a lot more interest in copyright policy pop up nationwide, and a lot more national discussion on the roles ISPs play within law and copyright.
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resa1983
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CIPPIC has filed a motion to adjourn Monday's hearing til the judge can rule on their intervene.

As well, the hearing (in which the judge will make a decision on the motion to adjourn) has been pushed back to 11am from 9:30am.

»cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/In···-2058-12
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MaynardKrebs
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said by jkoblovsky:

I think it's representative of a much larger issue within copyright policy, and that is that there are too many in the private sector that directly protect themselves and run for the door around copyright issues, rather than thinking of the people that ultimately are effected by this.

I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Right now were are in a phase of make-believe, thinking we have rights.

When the Trans-Pacific Partnership kicks in, we will have whatever rights the US Trade Representative says we have - and that would be virtually none in the copyright area.

You will, however, have the right to go to jail for copyright infringement.

Who7

join:2012-12-18
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said by resa1983:

CIPPIC has filed a motion to adjourn Monday's hearing til the judge can rule on their intervene.

As well, the hearing (in which the judge will make a decision on the motion to adjourn) has been pushed back to 11am from 9:30am.

»cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/In···-2058-12

Somebody cares because it's certainly not TSI.

resa1983
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said by Who7:

said by resa1983:

CIPPIC has filed a motion to adjourn Monday's hearing til the judge can rule on their intervene.

As well, the hearing (in which the judge will make a decision on the motion to adjourn) has been pushed back to 11am from 9:30am.

»cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/In···-2058-12

Somebody cares because it's certainly not TSI.

You'd be surprised.
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Who7

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said by resa1983 See Profile

You'd be surprised.
[/BQUOTE :

I'm from Missouri......show me on the 16th.



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reply to resa1983
said by resa1983:

said by Who7:

said by resa1983:

CIPPIC has filed a motion to adjourn Monday's hearing til the judge can rule on their intervene.

As well, the hearing (in which the judge will make a decision on the motion to adjourn) has been pushed back to 11am from 9:30am.

»cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/In···-2058-12

Somebody cares because it's certainly not TSI.

You'd be surprised.

They've proven this up until the 16th. The error of 42 people already should render these logs inadmissible due to the mistakes.

I've said this time and time again. Until there is a 'foolproof' method, this is a gamble, especially everyone using dynamic ip's. By time an IP is marked as "naughty" 13 other people have used it. Each time your lease expires are you getting an ip from someone who just rang up over 3 TB in warez?

It's a fine line to walk on between innocence and guilty. Too fine for my liking.

Putting all that aside, information is being handed over to a very sketchy business whose business model is a form of extortion. I truly feel sorry for those who are innocent. Their lives are about to be run through the ringer.

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reply to TSI Marc
A good read from David Ellis.
»www.davidellis.ca/why-is-teksavv···voltage/
EDIT: I so can't type today.
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said by resa1983:

A good read from David Ellis.
»www.davidellis.ca/why-is-teksavv···voltage/
EDIT: I so can't type today.

This guy does more quoting of other articles that it makes it really boring to read his blog. He's ranting about everything and in the end lost interest.

quote:
Meanwhile, the role TS has allegedly chosen to play was still news as of Thursday in the Financial Post. Legal reporter Christine Dobby writes that TekSavvy has no plans to challenge the film studios motion material as others have in the past. Does she mean no plans ever to challenge? If so, how would she know? Yes, Marc posted a long item on DSLreports about why TekSavvy was not planning to oppose the Voltage motion. But he wrote that almost a month ago and life has moved on since.
So because Marc publicly announced their plans on blog, email, CBC, that means what Christine Dobby assumes is wrong? Cause "so much time has passed" ? lmao.

This blog is a mess. So Marc lied to the courts about an extension to go to court monday with a 007 trick up his sleeve? Give me a break. Marc was transparent about it for a reason. He flat out said the plan.

As i said this blog is an absolute mess

resa1983
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Tx:
Let me just state that I didn't see this Christine Dobby in the court room for the first hearing. 2nd or 3rd hand information is notoriously suspect. David however was in the courtroom sitting beside me, and taking a TON of notes.

As for Teksavvy's plans not to fight the court order... Marc may have publicly announced not to fight it before the first court date, but circumstances changed, and they did fight it a bit during the first court hearing. Teksavvy's lawyers gave multiple reasons as to why they were fighting it as well. The judge also gave multiple reasons as to why he was adjourning it, all of which were Teksavvy's reasons for fighting the court order.

There were multiple reasons as to the extension. Circumstances changed from between when the original post was made, and the court date. None of which were lies.

I really would read David's post and think about it..
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apvm

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said by resa1983:

Tx:
Let me just state that I didn't see this Christine Dobby in the court room for the first hearing. 2nd or 3rd hand information is notoriously suspect. David however was in the courtroom sitting beside me, and taking a TON of notes.

As for Teksavvy's plans not to fight the court order... Marc may have publicly announced not to fight it before the first court date, but circumstances changed, and they did fight it a bit during the first court hearing. Teksavvy's lawyers gave multiple reasons as to why they were fighting it as well. The judge also gave multiple reasons as to why he was adjourning it, all of which were Teksavvy's reasons for fighting the court order.

There were multiple reasons as to the extension. Circumstances changed from between when the original post was made, and the court date. None of which were lies.

I really would read David's post and think about it..

They did not fight for their customers but fight for themselves because they made a mistake and send the notice to more than 40 of their customers.

resa1983
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said by apvm:

said by resa1983:

Tx:
Let me just state that I didn't see this Christine Dobby in the court room for the first hearing. 2nd or 3rd hand information is notoriously suspect. David however was in the courtroom sitting beside me, and taking a TON of notes.

As for Teksavvy's plans not to fight the court order... Marc may have publicly announced not to fight it before the first court date, but circumstances changed, and they did fight it a bit during the first court hearing. Teksavvy's lawyers gave multiple reasons as to why they were fighting it as well. The judge also gave multiple reasons as to why he was adjourning it, all of which were Teksavvy's reasons for fighting the court order.

There were multiple reasons as to the extension. Circumstances changed from between when the original post was made, and the court date. None of which were lies.

I really would read David's post and think about it..

They did not fight for you but fight for themselves because they made a mistake and send the notice to more than 40 of their customers.

Which they didn't need to do. They could have started the IP -> customer name, and had it ready & waiting for when the court order was handed out. By law, Teksavvy doesn't even need to inform you until after the court order's signed because Notice and Notice isn't law yet.

That has happened twice now with other copytroll suits in the last 1 1/2 years.
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reply to resa1983
said by resa1983:

Tx:
Let me just state that I didn't see this Christine Dobby in the court room for the first hearing. 2nd or 3rd hand information is notoriously suspect. David however was in the courtroom sitting beside me, and taking a TON of notes.

As for Teksavvy's plans not to fight the court order... Marc may have publicly announced not to fight it before the first court date, but circumstances changed, and they did fight it a bit during the first court hearing. Teksavvy's lawyers gave multiple reasons as to why they were fighting it as well. The judge also gave multiple reasons as to why he was adjourning it, all of which were Teksavvy's reasons for fighting the court order.

There were multiple reasons as to the extension. Circumstances changed from between when the original post was made, and the court date. None of which were lies.

I really would read David's post and think about it..

Unfortunately for Marc and his transparency model with TSI, he has not publicly stated any other plans other then to give up the information. Doesn't matter who was in the courtroom. Customers go by the 1, the only public announcement the CEO posts.

Sorry, i tried reading David's post, he over quotes. He may not normally write like that, but that post is as i said a mess. I enjoy a good read, don't get me wrong. Both sides of the fence but that blog wasn't a blog. It wasn't very different then quoting someone on here and answering it.

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said by Tx:

Sorry, i tried reading David's post, he over quotes. He may not normally write like that, but that post is as i said a mess. I enjoy a good read, don't get me wrong. Both sides of the fence but that blog wasn't a blog. It wasn't very different then quoting someone on here and answering it.

If you're dissatisfied with the efforts of others, perhaps you could write something which clearly articulates the position of each party to this saga - from day 1 through to the present, including citations of the relevant laws and their interpretations through your own lens, and critique those whom in your opinion have failed miserably, failed moderately, done neither good not evil, or perhaps have the clearest understanding of the correct way forward in this matter. Please elucidate on your efforts to bring superior litigators to the table, including minutes of the calls you made and the discussions therein. I smell "Pulitzer" in this for you.

If, on the other hand, if you're just blowing Bronx cheers from the cheap seats........ kindly let those who are actually paying for legal representation. at great expense, have their say in court before you ride to the rescue.


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said by MaynardKrebs:

said by Tx:

Sorry, i tried reading David's post, he over quotes. He may not normally write like that, but that post is as i said a mess. I enjoy a good read, don't get me wrong. Both sides of the fence but that blog wasn't a blog. It wasn't very different then quoting someone on here and answering it.

If you're dissatisfied with the efforts of others, perhaps you could write something which clearly articulates the position of each party to this saga - from day 1 through to the present, including citations of the relevant laws and their interpretations through your own lens, and critique those whom in your opinion have failed miserably, failed moderately, done neither good not evil, or perhaps have the clearest understanding of the correct way forward in this matter. Please elucidate on your efforts to bring superior litigators to the table, including minutes of the calls you made and the discussions therein. I smell "Pulitzer" in this for you.

If, on the other hand, if you're just blowing Bronx cheers from the cheap seats........ kindly let those who are actually paying for legal representation. at great expense, have their say in court before you ride to the rescue.

Wow dude, you seriously need to take a step back. I was commenting that i could not continue reading a blog and you go on like this?

Take a step back because your version of a allegorical quote from wiki was rather odd, to then this post over my thoughts on a blog.

Get over yourself. I at least remain objective to this ISP unlike others who feel like the love of their life is being attacked.

I commented on a blog and you blow smoke like i just shot Teksavvy's dog.

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said by d_source:

If I were one of the people affected, i definitely wouldn't rely on that! I'd have my own lawyer in there for sure! I'm not even with TSI and I am going to support the funds being collected to stop this mess. It NEEDS to stop on Monday.

what funds? i wasnt aware we could help donate for this cause?

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FatBastid

join:2012-12-27
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If people want this to be the last time Voltage pulls this trick in Canada just brand them a vexatious litigant:

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexatious_litigant

It can be done in Quebec, not sure if Ontario has a similar set up, but at least the Frenchies would be safe. I don't know how many of these 1000's of John Doe's will end up in court, but we all know that nearly none, if any at all, committed commercial infringement as claimed by Voltage. So nearly all of those that end up in court will be either dismissed or reduced to infringement for personal use. After a dozen of those fishing expeditions that led to nothing are on record in our courts, lawyers representing future defendants should be able to ask for dismissal outright.

I have a feeling Voltage knows this, they just want to get the precedent for having the ISP (Teksavvy) cough up the name without a fuss. Either that or they thing our judges are really, really dumb.