Topic 'Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.' in forum 'TekSavvy' - dslreports.com

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:12:58 EDT

FatBastid posted : If people want this to be the last time Voltage pulls this trick in Canada just brand them a vexatious litigant:

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexatious_litigant

It can be done in Quebec, not sure if Ontario has a similar set up, but at least the Frenchies would be safe. I don't know how many of these 1000's of John Doe's will end up in court, but we all know that nearly none, if any at all, committed commercial infringement as claimed by Voltage. So nearly all of those that end up in court will be either dismissed or reduced to infringement for personal use. After a dozen of those fishing expeditions that led to nothing are on record in our courts, lawyers representing future defendants should be able to ask for dismissal outright.

I have a feeling Voltage knows this, they just want to get the precedent for having the ISP (Teksavvy) cough up the name without a fuss. Either that or they thing our judges are really, really dumb.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Sun, 13 Jan 2013 07:38:18 EDT

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Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:37:21 EDT

Voltage posted :

said by d_source:

If I were one of the people affected, i definitely wouldn't rely on that! I'd have my own lawyer in there for sure! I'm not even with TSI and I am going to support the funds being collected to stop this mess. It NEEDS to stop on Monday.

what funds? i wasnt aware we could help donate for this cause?

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:20:25 EDT

Tx posted :

said by MaynardKrebs:

said by Tx:

Sorry, i tried reading David's post, he over quotes. He may not normally write like that, but that post is as i said a mess. I enjoy a good read, don't get me wrong. Both sides of the fence but that blog wasn't a blog. It wasn't very different then quoting someone on here and answering it.

If you're dissatisfied with the efforts of others, perhaps you could write something which clearly articulates the position of each party to this saga - from day 1 through to the present, including citations of the relevant laws and their interpretations through your own lens, and critique those whom in your opinion have failed miserably, failed moderately, done neither good not evil, or perhaps have the clearest understanding of the correct way forward in this matter. Please elucidate on your efforts to bring superior litigators to the table, including minutes of the calls you made and the discussions therein. I smell "Pulitzer" in this for you.

If, on the other hand, if you're just blowing Bronx cheers from the cheap seats........ kindly let those who are actually paying for legal representation. at great expense, have their say in court before you ride to the rescue.

Wow dude, you seriously need to take a step back. I was commenting that i could not continue reading a blog and you go on like this?

Take a step back because your version of a allegorical quote from wiki was rather odd, to then this post over my thoughts on a blog.

Get over yourself. I at least remain objective to this ISP unlike others who feel like the love of their life is being attacked.

I commented on a blog and you blow smoke like i just shot Teksavvy's dog.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:08:38 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by Tx:

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Sat, 12 Jan 2013 20:34:38 EDT

Tx posted :

said by resa1983:

Tx:
Let me just state that I didn't see this Christine Dobby in the court room for the first hearing. 2nd or 3rd hand information is notoriously suspect. David however was in the courtroom sitting beside me, and taking a TON of notes.

As for Teksavvy's plans not to fight the court order... Marc may have publicly announced not to fight it before the first court date, but circumstances changed, and they did fight it a bit during the first court hearing. Teksavvy's lawyers gave multiple reasons as to why they were fighting it as well. The judge also gave multiple reasons as to why he was adjourning it, all of which were Teksavvy's reasons for fighting the court order.

There were multiple reasons as to the extension. Circumstances changed from between when the original post was made, and the court date. None of which were lies.

I really would read David's post and think about it..

Unfortunately for Marc and his transparency model with TSI, he has not publicly stated any other plans other then to give up the information. Doesn't matter who was in the courtroom. Customers go by the 1, the only public announcement the CEO posts.

Sorry, i tried reading David's post, he over quotes. He may not normally write like that, but that post is as i said a mess. I enjoy a good read, don't get me wrong. Both sides of the fence but that blog wasn't a blog. It wasn't very different then quoting someone on here and answering it.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Sat, 12 Jan 2013 20:18:43 EDT

resa1983 posted :

said by apvm:

said by resa1983:

They did not fight for you but fight for themselves because they made a mistake and send the notice to more than 40 of their customers.

Which they didn't need to do. They could have started the IP -> customer name, and had it ready & waiting for when the court order was handed out. By law, Teksavvy doesn't even need to inform you until after the court order's signed because Notice and Notice isn't law yet.

That has happened twice now with other copytroll suits in the last 1 1/2 years.
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Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Sat, 12 Jan 2013 20:14:01 EDT

apvm posted :

said by resa1983:

They did not fight for their customers but fight for themselves because they made a mistake and send the notice to more than 40 of their customers.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Sat, 12 Jan 2013 19:53:12 EDT

resa1983 posted : Tx:
Let me just state that I didn't see this Christine Dobby in the court room for the first hearing. 2nd or 3rd hand information is notoriously suspect. David however was in the courtroom sitting beside me, and taking a TON of notes.

As for Teksavvy's plans not to fight the court order... Marc may have publicly announced not to fight it before the first court date, but circumstances changed, and they did fight it a bit during the first court hearing. Teksavvy's lawyers gave multiple reasons as to why they were fighting it as well. The judge also gave multiple reasons as to why he was adjourning it, all of which were Teksavvy's reasons for fighting the court order.

There were multiple reasons as to the extension. Circumstances changed from between when the original post was made, and the court date. None of which were lies.

I really would read David's post and think about it..
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Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Sat, 12 Jan 2013 19:16:28 EDT

Tx posted :

said by resa1983:

A good read from David Ellis.
»www.davidellis.ca/why-is-teksavv···voltage/
EDIT: I so can't type today.

This guy does more quoting of other articles that it makes it really boring to read his blog. He's ranting about everything and in the end lost interest.

quote:
Meanwhile, the role TS has allegedly chosen to play was still news as of Thursday in the Financial Post. Legal reporter Christine Dobby writes that TekSavvy “has no plans to challenge the film studio’s motion material as others have in the past.” Does she mean no plans ever to challenge? If so, how would she know? Yes, Marc posted a long item on DSLreports about why TekSavvy was not planning to oppose the Voltage motion. But he wrote that almost a month ago and life has moved on since.

So because Marc publicly announced their plans on blog, email, CBC, that means what Christine Dobby assumes is wrong? Cause "so much time has passed" ? lmao.

This blog is a mess. So Marc lied to the courts about an extension to go to court monday with a 007 trick up his sleeve? Give me a break. Marc was transparent about it for a reason. He flat out said the plan.

As i said this blog is an absolute mess

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:37:06 EDT

resa1983 posted : A good read from David Ellis.
»www.davidellis.ca/why-is-teksavv···voltage/
EDIT: I so can't type today.
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Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 21:01:32 EDT

Tx posted :

said by resa1983:

said by Who:

said by resa1983:

CIPPIC has filed a motion to adjourn Monday's hearing til the judge can rule on their intervene.

As well, the hearing (in which the judge will make a decision on the motion to adjourn) has been pushed back to 11am from 9:30am.

»cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/In···-2058-12

Somebody cares because it's certainly not TSI.

You'd be surprised.

They've proven this up until the 16th. The error of 42 people already should render these logs inadmissible due to the mistakes.

I've said this time and time again. Until there is a 'foolproof' method, this is a gamble, especially everyone using dynamic ip's. By time an IP is marked as "naughty" 13 other people have used it. Each time your lease expires are you getting an ip from someone who just rang up over 3 TB in warez?

It's a fine line to walk on between innocence and guilty. Too fine for my liking.

Putting all that aside, information is being handed over to a very sketchy business whose business model is a form of extortion. I truly feel sorry for those who are innocent. Their lives are about to be run through the ringer.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:12:05 EDT

Who posted :

said by resa1983

You'd be surprised.
[/BQUOTE :

I'm from Missouri......show me on the 16th.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:03:18 EDT

resa1983 posted :

said by Who:

said by resa1983:

Somebody cares because it's certainly not TSI.

You'd be surprised.
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Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 19:01:31 EDT

Who posted :

said by resa1983:

Somebody cares because it's certainly not TSI.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:48:01 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by jkoblovsky:

I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Right now were are in a phase of make-believe, thinking we have rights.

When the Trans-Pacific Partnership kicks in, we will have whatever rights the US Trade Representative says we have - and that would be virtually none in the copyright area.

You will, however, have the right to go to jail for copyright infringement.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:28:14 EDT

resa1983 posted : CIPPIC has filed a motion to adjourn Monday's hearing til the judge can rule on their intervene.

As well, the hearing (in which the judge will make a decision on the motion to adjourn) has been pushed back to 11am from 9:30am.

»cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/In···-2058-12
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Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:11:08 EDT

jkoblovsky posted : I think mostly right now this is tied to TSI customers trying to get more info on what's going on from what my blog stats seem to be suggesting and with what google trends is reporting on copyright etc.

However, it's important to keep an eye on google trends especially after Monday's results whether it turns into a more national movement (which could potentially happen and has happened in the past in Canada). If trolling like this continues, I think we'll start to see a lot more interest in copyright policy pop up nationwide, and a lot more national discussion on the roles ISPs play within law and copyright.
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Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:24:50 EDT

cynic10 posted :

said by jkoblovsky:

In Canada recently there seems to be a silent majority here watching what's going on with this case in particular. There seems to be quite the silent majority that has yet to chime in. Something that is very representative in my own blog stats, but check out google trends:

»www.google.com/trends/explore#q=···y&cmpt=q

Major spike in searches relating to this ISP after headlines broke in December about this, and it's peaked in the past week or so. Lots of interest in this, far beyond this forum.

That's good to know that even though they're silent that they're not totally ignorant or oblivious to the issues going on here.

We need to stomp out those trolls hard here in Canada otherwise can expect to hear a lot more of that crap that goes on in the US here when other US companies take notice of how easy it is to toy the system.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:57:28 EDT

jkoblovsky posted : In Canada recently there seems to be a silent majority here watching what's going on with this case in particular. There seems to be quite the silent majority that has yet to chime in. Something that is very representative in my own blog stats, but check out google trends:

»www.google.com/trends/explore#q=···y&cmpt=q

Major spike in searches relating to this ISP after headlines broke in December about this, and it's peaked in the past week or so. Lots of interest in this, far beyond this forum.
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Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:51:19 EDT

JohnDoe187 posted : Amen to this and could agree more. It's just a sad sad situation and attitude.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:03:34 EDT

jkoblovsky posted :

said by JohnDoe187:

This is so true I think a lot of ppl where mislead to think TSI gave 2 sh$ts via Marc's blog and then bam as the trial neared Marc post some ridiculous Why we are not opposing in DSLReport and not his blog??! Get real...

I think it's representative of a much larger issue within copyright policy, and that is that there are too many in the private sector that directly protect themselves and run for the door around copyright issues, rather than thinking of the people that ultimately are effected by this.

Copyright policy is intimidating for a lot of reasons, but the reality of where we are with copyright policy, companies should be less concerned about the implications in sticking up for their customers. From SOPA/PIPA, to ACTA and the TPP the copyright lobby is loosing huge within law around the globe. The copyright lobby is now forced to "troll" as a result. They've lost the ideological battle on this.

The thing that really peeves me off about all of this, knowing how weak the copyright lobbies position is, that we're still faced with some in the private sector hiding behind rocks, rather than taking on their direct responsibility under law. That to me, no matter how this turns out with the CIPPIC is wrong, and if history has taught us anything around copyright and how consumers react to this, that may very well change in the days, weeks, months ahead.

In short, there's more of us then there are of them. As a business, I would be more concerned on what consumers think, than any penalties or threats from the IP lobby who's in an extremely weak position within law in the first place. Consumers right now, hold the balance of power on copyright policy globally. And that's represented by the political reaction to not just the EU on ACTA, but also within US politics as well:

»thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valle···congress

Copyright policy also seems to be the #1 issue in Canada as well when you look at the digital economy. Traditional media seems to have a lot less credibility then us bloggers do on the issue:

»wordsbynowak.com/2013/01/02/statistics/

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Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:05:00 EDT

JohnDoe187 posted : This is so true I think a lot of ppl where mislead to think TSI gave 2 sh$ts via Marc's blog and then bam as the trial neared Marc post some ridiculous Why we are not opposing in DSLReport and not his blog??! Get real...

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:49:41 EDT

Who posted :

said by jkoblovsky:

Traditionally it's the blogosphere that is responsible for providing information to make sure there is a balanced view to readers. Something that seems to be represented on my stats over the past month. The vast majority that are coming to my blog with respect to this issue, are doing so via searches from Google on Tekksavvy and Voltage, and there is A LOT of people searching on this right now.

Let's make sure that the light show that TSI rolled over based on a cold calculating business decision of what was cheaper for them rather then concerns about their customers privacy.

And while we are at it, strip away the attempt by TSI to spin the delay as "concern" and "care" for their customers. All they did was what the law requires of them to do so to begin with.

Keep shinning the light on them.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:42:54 EDT

d_source posted : I'd pay the lawyer at this point to make sure that it doesn't go any further. It'll be cheaper to do so now and the issue will have been completely resolved, which peace of mind is worth a lot in these matters as well IMO.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:39:28 EDT

morisato posted :

said by booj:

said by resa1983:

Seriously though, I don't think the judge will continue the hearings without ruling on CIPPIC's motion to intervene first, as they'd just have to go over stuff again. It wastes time, and everyone wants this over & done with.

Wouldn't it be wasting a different court's time though? Judges are often happy to punt an issue down the road if they can.

TSI is playing with fire here. Their savvy customers, which for ages has been their core business, will find other providers en mass if the CIPPIC motion is denied and customer records handed over to this troll. It's a fundamental betryal of their trust.

Already happening, when u combine Teksavvy prices which are higher, than almost all other indys, with there lack of willingness to Oppose disclosure its a no brainer, i've been with teksavvy 5 years now and am leaving for a different company this hearing being a major factor, and as much as i love teksavvy i hope they lose thousands over this. so they get the message, and other isps do as well.
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Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:35:56 EDT

jkoblovsky posted :

said by resa1983:

Keep in mind that the financial post did a puff piece the day after the first hearing, about nothing, without including any info. All it did was scare.

Seriously though, I don't think the judge will continue the hearings without ruling on CIPPIC's motion to intervene first, as they'd just have to go over stuff again. It wastes time, and everyone wants this over & done with.

All they're doing is trying to sell subs, and keep the issue in the limelight so they can do a 'major' piece come Monday.

Actually the column shikotee quoted seems to be balanced. I'm a bit surprised by this. Major media outlets have their own interests with respect to copyright reform. There were "puff" pieces from all major news outlets the day after the hearing that was strongly one sided around copyright issues. The reporter that wrote this is also a "reformed lawyer".

Traditionally it's the blogosphere that is responsible for providing information to make sure there is a balanced view to readers. Something that seems to be represented on my stats over the past month. The vast majority that are coming to my blog with respect to this issue, are doing so via searches from Google on Tekksavvy and Voltage, and there is A LOT of people searching on this right now.
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Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:09:48 EDT

booj posted :

said by d_source:

If I were a TSI customer and my info was released i'd be upset with them as well, but you can't put the entire blame on them. They gave 2300+ people plenty of time to find a lawyer and be represented anonymously in court on Monday. If these people choose to not fight it themselves and HOPE to have someone else fight on their behalf, then it's on them if they lose, not just on TSI.

True, but why pay a lawyer to fight anonymously for you at this point? Hiring a lawyer at this stage sets up an individual for a lengthy and expensive court battle. We all agree that any infringement case brought by Voltage to an individual would eventually be tossed, once a judge is made to consider the methods used by canipre etc. To me, that would be the appropriate time to find a lawyer.

Furthermore, looking at the list of movies allegedly pirated, I'd almost suspect Voltage of going after the dumbest pirates they can find ;). I'd almost say there's more to this fishing expedition by Voltage than meets the eye...

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:56:30 EDT

d_source posted : If I were a TSI customer and my info was released i'd be upset with them as well, but you can't put the entire blame on them. They gave 2300+ people plenty of time to find a lawyer and be represented anonymously in court on Monday. If these people choose to not fight it themselves and HOPE to have someone else fight on their behalf, then it's on them if they lose, not just on TSI.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:43:30 EDT

booj posted :

said by resa1983:

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:58:52 EDT

resa1983 posted : Keep in mind that the financial post did a puff piece the day after the first hearing, about nothing, without including any info. All it did was scare.

Seriously though, I don't think the judge will continue the hearings without ruling on CIPPIC's motion to intervene first, as they'd just have to go over stuff again. It wastes time, and everyone wants this over & done with.

All they're doing is trying to sell subs, and keep the issue in the limelight so they can do a 'major' piece come Monday.
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Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:49:30 EDT

Jaxom posted : Civil court issues should not be grounds for personal data to be disclosed.

Unfortunately the Conservatives are trying to make it possible that cops don't even need a search warrant any more to get our personal information. Absolutely offensive fascist laws.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:37:12 EDT

d_source posted : What a great article. That's exactly the way I see it. Of 2300+ invloved, no one will be there to quash this. CIPPIC will not be granted to intervene and TSI will just sit there and do nothing even though they very well could. And all those names, most of which i assume are not guilty, will be fed to the dogs. I feel Monday will be a sad sad day to be a Canadian.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:27:02 EDT

shikotee posted : An interesting column on the lack of representation in court:
»www.financialpost.com/m/wp/legal···entation

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:38:10 EDT

anon posted : It is a civil court not a criminal court. It is not like the RCMP caught these people, but the plaintive claimed that they do.

At this point, it is their word vs everyone else. This first part is the release of users information. Until the actual trial case(s) (if at all) on the infringement, can't even say they have broken the law or not.

These 2000+ people from an ISP are being sued for "commercial" copyright infringement which is highly unlikely.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Fri, 11 Jan 2013 02:53:11 EDT

banishtrolls posted : Marc - You really need to decide that you will not be a "sell-out" and you really need to fight this as hard as you can, for your sake and your customers. Don't set a precedent by simply rolling over.

Do you think the 2000 will still want to be your customers? What about the next batch of 2000, and the next after that? What about the people like me who recommend TSI to their customers and shun companies who willingly hurt their own customers? Don't expect any business from me if you continue on the road of indifference (not my problem.)

Privacy is a huge unresolved issue vis-a-vis the Internet. Ask Facebook.
If you have a good conscience, you should already know you're making a mistake. Don't take the easy road. Don't be evil. Listen to what the majority view here says (you are wrong.)

Even if you don't win, at least you will be able to hold your head up high and say "I did my best."

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:10:23 EDT

cynic10 posted :

said by citizenkane :

i would not call it extortion.
i mean they broke the law.
it's either you settle outside of court or you take your chances with the law. simple as that. don't like it.. don't pirate.

Please go educate yourself further on the matter before making such statements. You come off as very ignorant and I'm trying to be nice here.

God forbid, if you or your family members ever get mistakenly accused of pirating, I'd like to see you eat your words and put your money where your mouth is, assuming you or they can even afford to settle.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 22:40:50 EDT

FatBastid posted :

said by citizenkane :

i would not call it extortion.
i mean they broke the law.
it's either you settle outside of court or you take your chances with the law. simple as that. don't like it.. don't pirate.

That's a somewhat ignorant statement on your part. Because you don't know if "they", being ALL the people being accused, broke the law.

And even if "they" did, if you've been reading this thread you should know that it's not the point. This situation is like doing 10 km/h over the speed limit on an empty road and then later, based on a picture taken by a 3rd party, receiving a summons for dangerous driving. Speeding 10 km over the limit is about a $50 fine. A dangerous driving conviction results in a criminal record and (in Ontario) an automatic one-year license suspension (for a first offense). The charges are ridiculous, the evidence to support them even more so, but now you have to spend thousands of dollars appearing in court and fighting the system. You are of the opinion that there would be nothing wrong with such a situation, and those who don't like it, shouldn't drive. All I can say is, wow.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 22:25:42 EDT

JohnDoe187 posted :

said by citizenkane :

i would not call it extortion.
i mean they broke the law.
it's either you settle outside of court or you take your chances with the law. simple as that. don't like it.. don't pirate.

1. The last time I check you are innocent until proven guilty. The motion is against Teksavvy to hand over the Does information. Maybe you should try to read carefully and thoroughly before you make a ridiculous post.

2. It is extortion and it seems all the professionals disagree with you.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:05:13 EDT

Tong posted : We don't like the settle price they are asking, so we will see you in court. However, I have not seen one case where someone file defense in court and then they take the person to court.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:13:02 EDT

anon posted : i would not call it extortion.
i mean they broke the law.
it's either you settle outside of court or you take your chances with the law. simple as that. don't like it.. don't pirate.

said by d_source:

What I don't get is why so many people seem to think that CIPPIC will be able to win this on their own. Is everyone putting their eggs into that basket only? I see a lot of people posting here about what could/should be done, about what TSI should do, and CIPPIC, but I haven't read anyone's post that they have contacted a lawyer and that their lawyer will be present on Monday. Unless that happens, I see this as an easy victory for Voltage, sadly. And then the extortion letters will begin and other companies will follow the leader. This is so wrong in so many ways and yet I don't see anyone defending themselves properly.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:30:00 EDT

El Quintron posted :

said by A Lurker:

I haven't kept up on the entire thread, however, a lot of people posting here were not on the list of IPs. Those that are, if they have consulted a lawyer, were probably first told not to talk about it publically.

QFT, discussing your legal strategy in an area where your opponents could find out what it is, is a bad idea.
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Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:06:12 EDT

A Lurker posted :

said by d_source:

This is so wrong in so many ways and yet I don't see anyone defending themselves properly.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:05:25 EDT

resa1983 posted :

said by d_source:

The case can't continue on until CIPPIC's motion to intervene is ruled on by the Judge, which may or may not happen on Monday.
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Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:59:34 EDT

anon posted : It would cost that brave person hundreds of dollars to bring a lawyer in for the hearing. Are you willing to put down 500$ for the good of everyone ?

Also, not everyone lives in Toronto.
So you can add travel cost and time to that.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:33:40 EDT

d_source posted : What I don't get is why so many people seem to think that CIPPIC will be able to win this on their own. Is everyone putting their eggs into that basket only? I see a lot of people posting here about what could/should be done, about what TSI should do, and CIPPIC, but I haven't read anyone's post that they have contacted a lawyer and that their lawyer will be present on Monday. Unless that happens, I see this as an easy victory for Voltage, sadly. And then the extortion letters will begin and other companies will follow the leader. This is so wrong in so many ways and yet I don't see anyone defending themselves properly.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Wed, 09 Jan 2013 16:33:51 EDT

anon posted : I wonder if we could class-action their asses after all this is done.

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:52:29 EDT

anon posted : So, basically its an extortion attempt under a false pretenses then. Lovely

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:17:58 EDT

resa1983 posted : The motion to intervene by CIPPIC was filed on the 21st last month, and served to both Voltage & Teksavvy. I linked it before I think...

Either way, it'll be decided on on Monday, with additional arguments CIPPIC has held in reserve, as well as plenty of evidence. I know I've been tossing a few things off to CIPPIC to help them out... :)

One thing I'm wondering... Has CIPPIC ever been denied on a motion to intervene?

The Judge seemed open to hearing CIPPIC, until Plaintiff's counsel brought up the fact that CIPPIC hadn't formally filed to intervene.. But still read the intent to intervene, which he didn't need to do.

I think its encouraging.
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Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:06:57 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by Dr Facts :

>why would the judge allow CIPPIC to intervene?

I think CIPPIC makes an argument for that in their latest letter? The judge did read their first one so that's could be taken as a positive sign.

We won't know *what* it means until the 14th.
Right now all it means is that he's read the letter and is considering what comes next.