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mr weather
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Mississauga, ON
reply to vue666

Re: Replaced the Impala

said by vue666:

The old Buick Grand National and GNX where bad ass performance cars...

And they were awesomely sinister looking!

GM should have brought back the Pontiac G8 as a Buick GNX. Keep the 6-speed auto (have a 6-speed manual option) and the tweaked 6.0 V8.
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Kitlope

join:2004-07-29
Edmonton, Ab
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Got a 1997 Buick LeSabre myself that I've had for the last 7 years, my great uncle owned it for 9 years before that. Best 5 G's I ever spent. It's an old man car alright but other than doing regular and some preventive maintenance the thing is bulletproof, and of course it helps that my uncle took care of it too. It has 280 000 km on it and other than a little rust at the rocker panel (mostly drivers side), the V6 3.8 has been absolutely troublefree and the tranny is still shifting like new. All good things must come to an end though and in a couple years I'll be picking up something else, perhaps a 3.6L Cadillac.



vue666
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That would be the Cadillac CTS rear wheel drive? There awesome. I was considering one a few months ago. It had the 2.6 litre though. I believe it was a 2006...



dirtyjeffer
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the CTS gets ok reviews, but the new ATS gets very good reviews...it's only issue is it can get pretty pricey when optioned up...being a GM, it might actually be a great buy in 2-3 years since it won't have the retained value many of its foreign counterparts will have, enabling a very good car for a pretty decent price.



HiVolt
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reply to vue666

Congrats, nice car.

GM 3800 is a solid motor. my folks had a '92 Regal GS with a 3800 Series 1 and it ran for over 500K with no major issues. And it didn't leak or knock either!


telco_mtl

join:2012-01-06
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ive always had pontiacs (except for a 6 month stint with a chevy cavalier) but now with the demise of pontiac buicks are looking better and better to me. I find chevy's just too bland, that said that is a gorgeous car, i love my 3.8's had 3 of em myself!



Kitlope

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Edmonton, Ab
reply to vue666

said by vue666:

That would be the Cadillac CTS rear wheel drive? There awesome. I was considering one a few months ago. It had the 2.6 litre though. I believe it was a 2006...

Yep. I would buy used, something around 5 years old or so. Don't want the dime a dozen 2.8 though, a little underpowered IMO, so the rarer 3.6 would suffice. My great uncle that I bought the Buick from has the 2.8, I wouldn't hesitate in buying a car from him again but like I said I'm just not interested in the 2.8

quote:
GM 3800 is a solid motor. my folks had a '92 Regal GS with a 3800 Series 1 and it ran for over 500K with no major issues. And it didn't leak or knock either.
Yup, awesome motors. The LeSabre that I have has the 3.8 Series II and I've been told by people in the know that if you take care of them they'll go forever.

Concrats on the new Buick Vue.


vue666
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I noticed the engine bay is much larger in the Buick then it was in the Impala. I can change the rear bank spark plugs (near firewall) without rotating the engine towards the radiator as I had to do on the Impala...

Apparently the engine bay is larger for a reason... The 5.3 litre V8 300hp was an option as well as the 3.6 litre. Actually the 3.6 makes more horsepower then the 3.8 240hp vs 200hp... But the 200hp is more then enough for me...



vue666
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I sent an e-mail along with my VIN to GM Canada and they informed me I still have a warranty on the Buick... Something I never considered when I purchased the car but my kid brother suggested I contact GM...

quote:
Thank you for your recent email.

The remaining warranty on your 2008 Buick Allure CX is as follows,

Powertrain Limited Warranty expires on 05/28/2013 or 160,010 KM which ever comes first.

Corrosion Limited Warranty expires on 05/28/2014 or Unlimited KMS which ever comes first.

Emission Select Component Ltd Wty expires on 05/28/2016 or at 130,010 KM which ever comes first.

Thank you for contacting General Motors Canada.




dirtyjeffer
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said by vue666:

Apparently the engine bay is larger for a reason... The 5.3 litre V8 300hp was an option as well as the 3.6 litre. Actually the 3.6 makes more horsepower then the 3.8 240hp vs 200hp... But the 200hp is more then enough for me...

the 3.8L only has 200hp??...what are they doing to neuter that engine??...the 3.8L V6 engine Hyundai uses in the Genesis has 348hp (for the coupe, 333hp for the sedan)...i realize the Hyundai unit is DI, but that is usually more about efficiency that actual output...that 3.8L in the Buick should be putting out more than 200hp.
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Gone
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The 3800 is an old - albeit a well-loved - design. It is simply not nearly as efficient as the new V6 designs that are out there now.

The 3L Vulcan V6 I had in my Topaz was only good for 180HP if I remember correctly. Same pushrod design and all.



dirtyjeffer
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said by Gone:
The 3800 is an old - albeit a well-loved - design. It is simply not nearly as efficient as the new V6 designs that are out there now.
i realize that, but this car is a 2008 model, not a 1996 model.

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The 3L Vulcan V6 I had in my Topaz was only good for 180HP if I remember correctly. Same pushrod design and all.

155hp...the 3.0L 24V V6 my 2000 Taurus had was rated at 200hp and 200 torques...that is the same hp as this 2008 model 3.8L...that's pretty sad.
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dirtyjeffer
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yup...200hp/230 torques.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_LaCrosse#Models

that engine is massively underpowered...it's a great engine, but no wonder they don't use it any more.
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Gone
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The 3800 is a 12 valve pushrod engine. It's the same engine, except for very minor upgrades, in 2008 as it was in 1988. Seriously. It's old.

That 3L you had in your Taurus wasn't a Vulcan. It would have had to be a Duratec. The Vulcan only had 12 valves, though like GM Ford used that engine from the mid-80s well into the late 2000s because it was a solid beast that worked well. The Vulcan in my Topaz would have only been rated for 140hp, for some reason I always thought it was more. Even the late-2000s Vulcans were only good for a bit more hp than they were 20 years earlier.



dirtyjeffer
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yea, my Taurus had the Duratec V6...and it isn't just this engine...Ford still uses that 207hp 4.0L V6 dog in their Ranger forever...they make a 305hp 3.7 V6 (used in the Mustang), yet still use that old dud in the Ranger.



Gone
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Wasn't the 4L the Windsor? Or was that the Essex? One was 4L, the other was 3.5L.

Heh, just noticed - Windsor and Essex. Go figure.

Edit - the 4L was the Cologne. The Windsors were V8s. And the Essex was 3.8L, not 3.5.



vue666
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I believe the 2008 Impala SS with the 3.8 produces something like 240hp... I guess Buicks are for old men... LOL


telco_mtl

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said by Gone:

The 3800 is a 12 valve pushrod engine. It's the same engine, except for very minor upgrades, in 2008 as it was in 1988. Seriously. It's old.

so old gm built it as a low buck replacement for a V8 in the 60s. they sold the tooling to AMC and eventually bought it back. there were oilpans stamped with the AMC logo into the 90s in 3800 gms


Gone
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said by vue666:

I believe the 2008 Impala SS with the 3.8 produces something like 240hp...

Supercharged, I believe.


TLS2000
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They were trying to use up the 3800SC engines then. Only the Grand Prix had that engine up until that point.
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vue666
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The 3.6 used in the new Camaro has 300 hp.... The GM 4.3 V6 is getting quite popular with the hot rod crowd...



LazMan
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I had a 4.3 in my Blazer...

Very strong engine, a TON of torque; but never met a gas station it didn't like...



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said by LazMan:

I had a 4.3 in my Blazer...

Very strong engine, a TON of torque; but never met a gas station it didn't like...

A friend of mine had a early 90's GMC Safari with the 4.3 High Output version... That thing hauled ass for a van, he used to do sick burnouts with it lol....
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Gone
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said by TLS2000:

They were trying to use up the 3800SC engines then. Only the Grand Prix had that engine up until that point.

The supercharged 3800s are the only high output ones I know of. To be honest, I thought the Impala SS of that era used one of the V8s with displacement-on-demand.


vue666
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said by Gone:

said by TLS2000:

They were trying to use up the 3800SC engines then. Only the Grand Prix had that engine up until that point.

The supercharged 3800s are the only high output ones I know of. To be honest, I thought the Impala SS of that era used one of the V8s with displacement-on-demand.

Yes, you are correct. It was the V8 that was in the 2008 Impala SS... Earlier SS Impalas had the 3.8 with a bit more output...


vue666
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I must admit this Buick has to be one of the most comfortable cars I've ever drove... Quiet as a whisper too and I thought the Impala was quiet but the Buick is even more so...



Gone
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Yup. A Buick may as well be a sensory deprivation chamber. A dream on the highway at 80mph with no noise but a very very quiet purr of the engine and whatever you're listening to, I'm sure



digitalfutur
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said by vue666:

I believe the 2008 Impala SS with the 3.8 produces something like 240hp... I guess Buicks are for old men... LOL

The 2013 Impala uses the 300 hp 3.6L V6 from the Camaro.

The totally redesigned 2014 version will use same engine with 3 more HP and a 6.8 second 0-60 time.

Who needs a V8?

»www.gm.ca/gm/english/vehicles/ch···t-Impala
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Gone
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said by digitalfutur:

The 2013 Impala uses the 300 hp 3.6L V6 from the Camaro.

Yup, a St. Catharines-built engine no less.


dirtyjeffer
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said by Gone:

said by digitalfutur:

The 2013 Impala uses the 300 hp 3.6L V6 from the Camaro.

Yup, a St. Catharines-built engine no less.

they also build it in Flint, so it is possible that engine production would be shifted there...not a biggie, since that is kind of GM's new "staple V6", so it will be used in a TON of product.
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