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Re: Replaced the Impala

The 3800 is an old - albeit a well-loved - design. It is simply not nearly as efficient as the new V6 designs that are out there now.

The 3L Vulcan V6 I had in my Topaz was only good for 180HP if I remember correctly. Same pushrod design and all.

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The 3800 is an old - albeit a well-loved - design. It is simply not nearly as efficient as the new V6 designs that are out there now.
i realize that, but this car is a 2008 model, not a 1996 model.
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The 3L Vulcan V6 I had in my Topaz was only good for 180HP if I remember correctly. Same pushrod design and all.

155hp...the 3.0L 24V V6 my 2000 Taurus had was rated at 200hp and 200 torques...that is the same hp as this 2008 model 3.8L...that's pretty sad.
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yup...200hp/230 torques.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bu ··· e#Models

that engine is massively underpowered...it's a great engine, but no wonder they don't use it any more.

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The 3800 is a 12 valve pushrod engine. It's the same engine, except for very minor upgrades, in 2008 as it was in 1988. Seriously. It's old.

That 3L you had in your Taurus wasn't a Vulcan. It would have had to be a Duratec. The Vulcan only had 12 valves, though like GM Ford used that engine from the mid-80s well into the late 2000s because it was a solid beast that worked well. The Vulcan in my Topaz would have only been rated for 140hp, for some reason I always thought it was more. Even the late-2000s Vulcans were only good for a bit more hp than they were 20 years earlier.

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yea, my Taurus had the Duratec V6...and it isn't just this engine...Ford still uses that 207hp 4.0L V6 dog in their Ranger forever...they make a 305hp 3.7 V6 (used in the Mustang), yet still use that old dud in the Ranger.

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Wasn't the 4L the Windsor? Or was that the Essex? One was 4L, the other was 3.5L.

Heh, just noticed - Windsor and Essex. Go figure.

Edit - the 4L was the Cologne. The Windsors were V8s. And the Essex was 3.8L, not 3.5.
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I believe the 2008 Impala SS with the 3.8 produces something like 240hp... I guess Buicks are for old men... LOL
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The 3800 is a 12 valve pushrod engine. It's the same engine, except for very minor upgrades, in 2008 as it was in 1988. Seriously. It's old.

so old gm built it as a low buck replacement for a V8 in the 60s. they sold the tooling to AMC and eventually bought it back. there were oilpans stamped with the AMC logo into the 90s in 3800 gms

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I believe the 2008 Impala SS with the 3.8 produces something like 240hp...

Supercharged, I believe.

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They were trying to use up the 3800SC engines then. Only the Grand Prix had that engine up until that point.
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The 3.6 used in the new Camaro has 300 hp.... The GM 4.3 V6 is getting quite popular with the hot rod crowd...

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I had a 4.3 in my Blazer...

Very strong engine, a TON of torque; but never met a gas station it didn't like...

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I had a 4.3 in my Blazer...

Very strong engine, a TON of torque; but never met a gas station it didn't like...

A friend of mine had a early 90's GMC Safari with the 4.3 High Output version... That thing hauled ass for a van, he used to do sick burnouts with it lol....

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They were trying to use up the 3800SC engines then. Only the Grand Prix had that engine up until that point.

The supercharged 3800s are the only high output ones I know of. To be honest, I thought the Impala SS of that era used one of the V8s with displacement-on-demand.
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They were trying to use up the 3800SC engines then. Only the Grand Prix had that engine up until that point.

The supercharged 3800s are the only high output ones I know of. To be honest, I thought the Impala SS of that era used one of the V8s with displacement-on-demand.

Yes, you are correct. It was the V8 that was in the 2008 Impala SS... Earlier SS Impalas had the 3.8 with a bit more output...
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I must admit this Buick has to be one of the most comfortable cars I've ever drove... Quiet as a whisper too and I thought the Impala was quiet but the Buick is even more so...

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Yup. A Buick may as well be a sensory deprivation chamber. A dream on the highway at 80mph with no noise but a very very quiet purr of the engine and whatever you're listening to, I'm sure

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I believe the 2008 Impala SS with the 3.8 produces something like 240hp... I guess Buicks are for old men... LOL

The 2013 Impala uses the 300 hp 3.6L V6 from the Camaro.

The totally redesigned 2014 version will use same engine with 3 more HP and a 6.8 second 0-60 time.

Who needs a V8?

»www.gm.ca/gm/english/veh ··· t-Impala

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The 2013 Impala uses the 300 hp 3.6L V6 from the Camaro.

Yup, a St. Catharines-built engine no less.

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The 2013 Impala uses the 300 hp 3.6L V6 from the Camaro.

Yup, a St. Catharines-built engine no less.

they also build it in Flint, so it is possible that engine production would be shifted there...not a biggie, since that is kind of GM's new "staple V6", so it will be used in a TON of product.

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Engine production isn't moving. The engines that are made at the St. Catharines plant go to assembly lines across all of North America, including the Malibu and a few others. St. Catharines also makes the high-end V8s.

GM also recently invested a ton of money into that plant to move the transmission line from Windsor to there,.
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I believe the 2008 Impala SS with the 3.8 produces something like 240hp... I guess Buicks are for old men... LOL

The 2013 Impala uses the 300 hp 3.6L V6 from the Camaro.

The totally redesigned 2014 version will use same engine with 3 more HP and a 6.8 second 0-60 time.

Who needs a V8?

»www.gm.ca/gm/english/veh ··· t-Impala

The 3.6 litre V6 makes almost as much horsepower as the 396 Chevy offered in the 69 Camaro...
Interesting...they are offering an Ecotec 2.4L which will be the first ever 4 cylinder Impala since it's inception in 1958...

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Engine production isn't moving.

i know engine production isn't moving...i just said that the engine is also built in Lansing, so it is possible that the engines used in the Camaro will use the Lansing built engine, since they are geographically quite close (and may do it for other reasons).

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Yes, that is quite possible, but like I said they already use these engines at other US-based plants. I don't know the output of either plant, but it may not be so cut and dry to assume that it'll move to Lansing.

The CAW are crying about how they'll now move engine production to Tonawanda. Maybe they will, but it won't be in the near-term, and New York is still more toxic to this kind of stuff than even McGuinty's Ontario is.
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The Buick has a tach something the Impala did not. I was impressed to see the tach reading 1800 rpm when I was travelling 100 kph on the highway. My Vette would be over 3000 rpm at the same speed...

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my Rio5 revs at 2000 rpms at 90km/hr...at 100, it is about 2250...2500 rpms is bang on 70mph (112 km/hr)...this is with the factory tires...add about 2mph to all speeds with my current winter tires.