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workablob

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Re: Anonymous Hacks Westboro Baptist Church web site

said by Archivis:

said by La Luna:

I think you would be hard pressed to find any true Christians

Fixed.

Priceless

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said by workablob:

Childish

Dave

Fixed, as per other comments in the thread.


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said by Hank:

said by Archivis:

said by NormanS:

More nonsense! Sure is a lot of nonsense in this thread today!

It sure is. Everyone wants to debate about which version of fiction is the truest form of fiction.

So if it was something, like atheist or Islam, it would be true in your eyes?

Atheism is simply the disbelief in the existence of a deity. Theism is belief in the existence of a deity or deities. The prefix "A" denotes the opposite. Claiming that atheism is a religion is akin to saying that NOT playing football is a sport. Granted, some people do take atheism to an extreme and begin "preaching" it, but for most of us it is nothing more than the definition I repeated.
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said by Archivis:

said by workablob:

Childish

Dave

Fixed, as per other comments in the thread.

Nope. I stand my my comment LOL.

Best thread ever.

Dave
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said by fuziwuzi:

Atheism is simply the disbelief in the existence of a deity. Theism is belief in the existence of a deity or deities. The prefix "A" denotes the opposite. Claiming that atheism is a religion is akin to saying that NOT playing football is a sport. Granted, some people do take atheism to an extreme and begin "preaching" it, but for most of us it is nothing more than the definition I repeated.

Excellent definition.

You nailed it.

Thanks,

Dave
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"It's only a crime if I get caught."

"The police didn't stop me, so it's fine."



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said by trparky:

quote:
The Westboro Baptist Church stated earlier this week that they would be picketing the funerals of the victims of Newtown Connecticut's tragic shooting in an effort to bring awareness to their hate messages. In response, the Anonymous hacker collective has hacked their website and posted the personal information of all of its members.
Good going Anonymous! Those idiots deserve it if you ask me.

The quality and character of those that make up the WBC are that they are all scumbags of the lowest order full of egocentric thoughts and hostility and bad intentions. Worthless pieces of humanity the inflict great emotional harm to innocent people.

Nevertheless, bad behavior never justifies other bad behavior.

"Anonymous" is wrong both in their existence and in their behavior.

Two wrongs don't make a right.


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said by workablob:

said by Archivis:

said by La Luna:

I think you would be hard pressed to find any true Christians

Fixed.

Priceless

Dave

Except that's not what I said, so no....not "priceless", just misquoted.
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Archivis
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But what I did was not to adjust what you said and claim you said it. What I did was adjust your quote to something a little more accurate. I mean, what exactly defines a Christian? A person who follows the Bible? What else could it be? There is no other single source of God's word, correct?

If so, then why do Christians not come out in full support of the only source of writing they have?

"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel. (1 Peter 2:18)

"If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. "(Leviticus 20:9)

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:13 )

"If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girls virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her fathers house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her fathers house." (Deuteronomy 22:20-1)

"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death." (Exodus 35:2)

This can continue on for quite a long time. Why is it that you don't come forward to call for the deaths of homosexuals, men who cheat on their wives, women who are not virgins, or people who work on Sundays?

It's because it's absurd and if some of it is absurd, all of it is absurd. If all of it is absurd, then maybe it's not I who is childish, but those who believe in childish fairy tales.

Also, there are over a hundred religions. Why is yours the path to the spoils in the afterlife? What happens to those who follow another teaching? Why is yours the best? Is it because you chose it? Or were you born into it? Take a look at the religions of the world and you'll find that the majority of the religions are conveniently geographically based.

All of this written by a series of people who lived in an era where they had no fucking idea what was going on. But I'm the childish one. And here we are, supposedly trusting you and people like you to give us the authority to tell us what is right and what is wrong, who is a true christian and who is not.

La Luna, you're trying to tell me about what "rational, thinking human beings" would do. How can you consider yourself a rational thinker when your entire way of life, the foundation of everything you believe in, isn't based on a single thought of your own.

And now we're to trust this collective of non-thinking, self-declared thinkers to write political policies and to conjure up laws and to do what is in the best interest of a country that celebrates religious diversity.

Westboro is only words. Your majority has inflicted real and actual damage throughout the ages.

Your majority is dwindling. The Internet has allowed people to break the flow of communication and people are able to find the truth on their own. As the religious die off, the younger generations shed themselves of fairy tales and then and only then can we come together as a world that has the interest of the people truly at heart.
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I'll say it again. WOW!! Unbelievable.



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said by Archivis:

It's because it's absurd and if some of it is absurd, all of it is absurd. If all of it is absurd, then maybe it's not I who is childish, but those who believe in childish fairy tales.

Logical fallacy: Reductio ad Absurdum.

"Childish fairy tales" indeed! You are just as guilty as anyone else of selectively quoting the Bible for your own end.

Also, there are over a hundred religions ... Take a look at the religions of the world and you'll find that the majority of the religions are conveniently geographically based.

What does that even mean?

All of this written by a series of people who lived in an era where they had no fucking idea what was going on.

And we do?

But I'm the childish one. And here we are, supposedly trusting you and people like you to give us the authority to tell us what is right and what is wrong, who is a true christian and who is not.

La Luna, you're trying to tell me about what "rational, thinking human beings" would do. How can you consider yourself a rational thinker when your entire way of life, the foundation of everything you believe in, isn't based on a single thought of your own.

And yours is?

And now we're to trust this collective of non-thinking, self-declared thinkers to write political policies and to conjure up laws and to do what is in the best interest of a country that celebrates religious diversity.

I think you either don't know what it means to think, or you think your thinking is superior; the latter being what every human, religious, or otherwise, seems to think.

Westboro is only words. Your majority has inflicted real and actual damage throughout the ages.

Would that include the battles at Thermopylae, Arbela, Alesia, and Teutoburg Forest? How about the Battle of Hakusonko, or the Battle of Baekgang?

I would recommend The Encyclopedia Of Military History (Trevor N. Dupuy and R. Ernest Dupuy) as a good reference on the "bloodletting of Humanity" throughout the ages; a good cure for your selective memory concerning the "peaceful intentions" of human beings.

Your majority is dwindling. The Internet has allowed people to break the flow of communication and people are able to find the truth on their own.

Whose "Truth"? Is yours superior?

As the religious die off, the younger generations shed themselves of fairy tales and then and only then can we come together as a world that has the interest of the people truly at heart.

Your faith in "a world that that has the interest of the people truly at heart" is just another fairy tale.
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NormanS - Oh! Surely you gist. How can he be wrong.



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So... is the all-things-security context of this thread now encompassing "eternal security"? Otherwise, to me, it's careened so far off topic as to be unrecognizable for the security forum.
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said by Blackbird:

So... is the all-things-security context of this thread now encompassing "eternal security"? Otherwise, to me, it's careened so far off topic as to be unrecognizable for the security forum.

Perhaps, instead of responding to him I should have just clicked on "hey mods". Sorry about that ...
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said by Blackbird:

So... is the all-things-security context of this thread now encompassing "eternal security"? Otherwise, to me, it's careened so far off topic as to be unrecognizable for the security forum.

Time to pass the collection plate and sing a closing song.

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This is the first I am hearing of this Westboro Baptist Church and I am totally mortified. As the world mourns these innocent children and empathizes with their families this "church" is behaving despicably.

I'm glad Anonymous is taking action.

Sincerely, Libra



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said by Snowy:

said by fatness:

If Anonymous hacks them again I'd expect that a list of donors will be published.

Assuming you mean outside donors...
"Fred Phelps and his small congregation provide WBC's funding; the group neither solicits nor accepts outside donations. In addition to this income, the church makes money by winning or settling civil lawsuits involving the church.
»www.splcenter.org/get-informed/i···t-church

Well I'm just wrong then.
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Let's get off the topic of religion, mkay? Westboro just calls themselves a church to anger people. And unfortunately people in this thread are angered by the religious or nonreligious views of others in this thread. So in that sense Westboro's winning.
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said by fatness:

said by Snowy:

said by fatness:

If Anonymous hacks them again I'd expect that a list of donors will be published.

Assuming you mean outside donors...
"Fred Phelps and his small congregation provide WBC's funding; the group neither solicits nor accepts outside donations. In addition to this income, the church makes money by winning or settling civil lawsuits involving the church.
»www.splcenter.org/get-informed/i···t-church

Well I'm just wrong then.

It wasn't an indictment.


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Kumbaya?



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said by Juggernaut:

Kumbaya?

Yes..many in SC speak Gullah.


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That's not a bad start.



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said by Hank:

NormanS - Oh! Surely you gist. How can he be wrong.

Here's how:

Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
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said by Archivis:

As the religious die off, the younger generations shed themselves of fairy tales and then and only then can we come together as a world that has the interest of the people truly at heart.

That's already been tried in various workers' paradises, and failed miserably. People weren't empowered, they were enslaved, and generally lived in poverty in service to the state, to boot.

Those who turn their backs on history are doomed to repeat it. Ignorance doesn't protect the younger generations or make life better; it just makes them easier to victimize.


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said by goalieskates:

said by Archivis:

As the religious die off, the younger generations shed themselves of fairy tales and then and only then can we come together as a world that has the interest of the people truly at heart.

That's already been tried in various workers' paradises, and failed miserably. People weren't empowered, they were enslaved, and generally lived in poverty in service to the state, to boot.

Those who turn their backs on history are doomed to repeat it. Ignorance doesn't protect the younger generations or make life better; it just makes them easier to victimize.

Archivis's Fantasy Island stance is the typical humanistic claptrap those of such ilk have belched forth for decades, if not centuries. The only thing missing from his stirring vision of Valhalla on earth is John Lennon's "Imagine" being piped in through loudspeakers to the unwashed masses.
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said by scelli:

Archivis's Fantasy Island stance is the typical humanistic claptrap those of such ilk have belched forth for decades, if not centuries. The only thing missing from his stirring vision of Valhalla on earth is John Lennon's "Imagine" being piped in through loudspeakers to the unwashed masses.

What about Liam Neeson's Zeus?
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said by Krisnatharok:

said by scelli:

Archivis's Fantasy Island stance is the typical humanistic claptrap those of such ilk have belched forth for decades, if not centuries. The only thing missing from his stirring vision of Valhalla on earth is John Lennon's "Imagine" being piped in through loudspeakers to the unwashed masses.

What about Liam Neeson's Zeus?

That remake was such a disappointing movie for me and thought the flick would be much better than it was!
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The common sense verse.



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said by scelli:

said by goalieskates:

said by Archivis:

As the religious die off, the younger generations shed themselves of fairy tales and then and only then can we come together as a world that has the interest of the people truly at heart.

That's already been tried in various workers' paradises, and failed miserably. People weren't empowered, they were enslaved, and generally lived in poverty in service to the state, to boot.

Those who turn their backs on history are doomed to repeat it. Ignorance doesn't protect the younger generations or make life better; it just makes them easier to victimize.

Archivis's Fantasy Island stance is the typical humanistic claptrap those of such ilk have belched forth for decades, if not centuries. The only thing missing from his stirring vision of Valhalla on earth is John Lennon's "Imagine" being piped in through loudspeakers to the unwashed masses.

Well, it beats the heck out of the 'claptrap' being spouted by religion for centuries in my opinion.

Dave
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For better or worse in a free society, you're entitled to that opinion...just like I'm entitled to mine.
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