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resa1983
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Re: Update on matching Rogers new speeds?

Essentially that'd be saying to TPIA "You can't sign up new customers unless they're on Aggregated".

Which wouldn't be allowed.
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And more good stuff

Rogers currently has 4 TPIA customers who have 1,680 end-users in total on 18, 28 and 32 Mbps aggregated POI TPIA services.
Now there are 4 aggregated TPIAs?

Edit: On further consideration.. Rogers has 4 aggregated TPIAs, 3 of whom account for all 7 customers currently on 75mbit via a TPIA provider.
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said by resa1983:

Essentially that'd be saying to TPIA "You can't sign up new customers unless they're on Aggregated".

Which wouldn't be allowed.

Well, sure.. But, I am reading that right, aren't I? I haven't noticed anybody pointing that out anywhere, and it sure seems relevant with respect to forcing non-aggregated access to new speeds.
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said by Teddy Boom:

said by resa1983:

Essentially that'd be saying to TPIA "You can't sign up new customers unless they're on Aggregated".

Which wouldn't be allowed.

Well, sure.. But, I am reading that right, aren't I? I haven't noticed anybody pointing that out anywhere, and it sure seems relevant with respect to forcing non-aggregated access to new speeds.

Yeah, you're reading that right I think..

But, I think everyone's banking on the Part 1 for TN28.. If these aren't 'new speed tiers' then the withdrawl of 'old' tiers is moot.

What I submitted to the CRTC on its own should be enough to show they're not 'new speed tiers', but rather upgrades to tiers. They don't have to provide upgrades to tiers after February 2012, but its possible that since Rogers provided the upgraded speeds to their own customers in November 2011, they SHOULD have also given them to TPIA at the same time, and they'll be given retroactively.
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Something I just noticed in CNOC's response on Nov 23rd:

Finally, CNOC shares the concern expressed by Ms. Murphy that upstream speed increases provided
to Rogers’ retail end-users free of charge are not also being extended to end-users of TPIA
customers as required by paragraph 210 of Decision 2006-77, and so CNOC urges the Commission
to act on this matter as well, but without holding up the determination of the CNOC Application as it
related to Rogers Tariff Notice 28
Emphasis added

If I read that correctly and this decision comes out in favour of CNOC we might see Rogers dish out the higher download speeds but the new upload speeds might not come with them as they will be determined separately. I know it sounds kind of silly but I never pass up the opportunity for Rogers to "shine their brilliance"...

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The increased upstream was introduced in Nov 2011 to their own customers, but without a download speed increase.

At this point, I don't think we care much about the download speeds, but more the upload speeds.

They're essentially saying "Rogers introduced this back during the matching period, didn't match. Give it to us now, while you're making up your minds about increased download speeds."
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said by resa1983:

The increased upstream was introduced in Nov 2011 to their own customers, but without a download speed increase.

At this point, I don't think we care much about the download speeds, but more the upload speeds.

They're essentially saying "Rogers introduced this back during the matching period, didn't match. Give it to us now, while you're making up your minds about increased download speeds."

Scary that we are still looking at getting these speeds one year + from when they actually started rolling them out...

Personally, I care 100% more about new upload speeds and don't care about increased download. 28Mbps is already super fast for me. I'd take 35Mbps if they dole it out for free.

I agree though that both of these items should be dealt with at the same time. Heck they shouldn't even be talked about separately as they come as a part of a profile. You can't have 35Mbps without some more upload otherwise the upload stream can't handle the stream of ACK packets based on my understanding.


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said by creed3020:

Scary that we are still looking at getting these speeds one year + from when they actually started rolling them out...

Look how long it took to get speedmatching for DSL... roughly a year ago I believe... Bell had ADSL2+ since 2007 I think...
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said by creed3020:

said by resa1983:

The increased upstream was introduced in Nov 2011 to their own customers, but without a download speed increase.

At this point, I don't think we care much about the download speeds, but more the upload speeds.

They're essentially saying "Rogers introduced this back during the matching period, didn't match. Give it to us now, while you're making up your minds about increased download speeds."

Scary that we are still looking at getting these speeds one year + from when they actually started rolling them out...

Personally, I care 100% more about new upload speeds and don't care about increased download. 28Mbps is already super fast for me. I'd take 35Mbps if they dole it out for free.

I agree though that both of these items should be dealt with at the same time. Heck they shouldn't even be talked about separately as they come as a part of a profile. You can't have 35Mbps without some more upload otherwise the upload stream can't handle the stream of ACK packets based on my understanding.

The bump in the download speeds, really doesn't make much of a difference.. Its nice, but meh. The real kicker though, is that they can't compete without the higher upload speeds.. Hense trying to push things forward faster by asking to order upload speeds immediately.
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Any updates on this?



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said by Poser:

Any updates on this?

The CRTC denied CNOC's speed-matching request.

You can read Marc's post here: »Re: CNOC speed matching decision due next week
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