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Re: Nice deployment chart

Sat, 05 Jan 2013 13:07:40 EDT

kpfx posted : I don't remember people saying that back in the early 2000's (that's when the dial-up ISPs started dying en-mass).

There were plenty of people dying to ditch their dial-up and switch to DSL, Cable, and even ISDN/T1s back then once the price-point hit the $50 range. The issue was more about cost... not if we needed something faster than dial-up. The need for the speed was already there (faster page loads, downloading music, the birth of streaming, etc).

The point I'm making is the cost benefit from going from 56K to 3,000K (at that time) was much greater than going from 20 Mbps to 1 Gbps. Again, show me why it's worth an extra $20/mo to get a gig and I'll be happy to sign up.

Re: Nice deployment chart

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:22:51 EDT

anon posted : "Google announces it will bring fiber to Oak Street April 1st, 2014"
Whats the next press release? Updates?...Google regretfully announces the crew that was supposed to bring fiber to Oak Street on April 1st, 2014, tragically all contracted a terrible case of food poisoning and will not be able to bring fiber until next Tuesday, sorry!

Re: Nice deployment chart

Wed, 19 Dec 2012 00:29:52 EDT

TBusiness posted : VZ didn't make those neighborhoods beg for service either to be put on the construction list either.

Re: Nice deployment chart

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:26:58 EDT

Crusty posted :

said by silbaco:

Can you host a server on Google Fiber? Nope. Then it is not unrestrained.

The most popular internet packages purchased remain the cheapest tiers. Not the fastest, even in markets that are fairly competitive and reasonably priced. At $70 per month, Google fiber is not going to change that when the national average is ~$47 per month and people complain that is too high.

Because $47 is too high... I read an article last year about Korea's avg speed/cost. They're on track to give FTTH (1Gbps) to every house next year and what's the cost? $27.....

But like the others, I'd gladly pay Google $70 for that speed. I'm paying nearly the same now for something 100th the speed with horrible caps and flaky speeds/connection that i hit every month (all legal).

Re: Nice deployment chart

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:42:20 EDT

NotTheMama posted : I like them already. :)

Re: Nice deployment chart

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:38:54 EDT

silbaco posted : My ISP doesn't have the clause. In fact I even called them and asked them about it. They said they don't care what you do, and that they leave all ports open specifically for that purpose.

Re: Nice deployment chart

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:52:06 EDT

NotTheMama posted : That's just one of the standard silly clauses every ISP throws into the ToS. That's their way of telling you that you have residential service which is not supposed to be used for business purposes (profit or non-profit). However, there's nothing specifically non-residential about having a server. It's all about the kind of traffic you get. I've had no need to run a server for some years now, but if I did have a need, then I would--regardless of the ToS. I would, however, never try to run a business using residential service; it would only be for personal use.
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Re: Nice deployment chart

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:41:32 EDT

silbaco posted : Unfortunately, you can't host a server on Google Fiber. It falls under misuse and is a violation of their ToS. I am not aware that it was originally forbidden, but it is now unless you receive a written agreement. Whether or not it will be enforced is another question.

I am not saying I wouldn't subscribe to Google Fiber either. But I think a lot of people won't because of price.

Re: Nice deployment chart

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:44:24 EDT

NotTheMama posted : $70/mo is the "offering price" (not some special intro deal) for 15/5 FiOS. If you could get a slower tier in your package, then I doubt it would be "a lot" less. Of course, trying to compare prices with[in] bundles--especially when intro deals are invovled*--can be an exercise in futility (by design). (*It's the only time you come close to paying what the service is really worth.)

It's not really the price that's the most annoying though; it's the marketing. Oh, yes, I really need 50mbps because 15/5 is only good for email and the like (in a family of 10--or 20?--maybe). Then again, marketing for Internet service has never been all that "real world". I detest the very concept of speed & usage tiers & caps. Anyone who doesn't do any of that crap will get my money as a simple reward for doing things the way they should be done.
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Re: Nice deployment chart

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:15:58 EDT

aaronwt posted :

said by NotTheMama:

said by silbaco:

Can you host a server on Google Fiber?

~~Nope.~~ Not that I have any need or desire to, but sure--it's not like I'm trying to run a business or anything. (However, that's not really what I mean by "unrestrained".)

said by silbaco:

The most popular internet packages purchased remain the cheapest tiers. Not the fastest, even in markets that are fairly competitive and reasonably priced. At $70 per month, Google fiber is not going to change that when the national average is ~$47 per month and people complain that is too high.

In principle I agree. For one person doing one thing at a time that requires the usual "high-speed" connection (aka streaming HD video), you can get by on a 5/5 tier--and there's your $47. Ummm, yeah, I'll still take Google Fiber for $70. :) To each his own, right?

I would love to go back to the prices I had in 1998 when I had a 5Mb/s down and 1Mb/s up tier. It was only $16 a month. But those speeds I had in 1998 are too slow for 2012/2013. So I'll keep my 150/65 tier for $70. Although I would love to pay even less but I don't see that happening.

Re: Nice deployment chart

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:11:57 EDT

aaronwt posted :

said by NotTheMama:

Sorry... not following you there on the "extra" $240 (does that mean you're currently paying $50/mo?). The prices in my area for FiOS at about the typical speed offered (not the absolute "slowest", nor the fastest--I'm paying close to $60 and it's about the cheapest price available (the last time I checked), and it's nowhere near even 50mbps for download and even less close for upload) are about the same price that Google Fiber is priced for the 1gbps; there's little "extra" to speak of. But that's just FiOS. The "cable" providers around here (Comcast & Cox) are worse. Anyway, as I said, that isn't the best part of the deal: I place more value in having an "unrestrained" network connection. The speed alone may be worth it (or not--that's an individual choice); the attitude behind it definitely is as far as I'm concerned (and I'm not a fan of Google).

My FIOS internet is only $70 a month. It's certainly not gigabit but it is the 150/65 tier. Plus FiOS combines TV, phone, and cellular along with internet. Which is why my internet is $70 a month. It would even be alot less per month with a slower tier.

Re: Nice deployment chart

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 06:55:10 EDT

ITALIAN926 posted : Oh please, one by one Verizon announced the town/cities that they entered with FiOS, they just didnt break THOSE up into "fiberhoods" . Its a ridiculous concept. Shall we break it down to street level?

"Google announces it will bring fiber to Oak Street April 1st, 2014 !"

lol

Re: Nice deployment chart

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 05:15:33 EDT

davidhoffman posted : Irrational paranoid delusions that if they release deployment data, the competitors in the area will acquire all available potential subscribers, buy using Jedi marketing mind tricks. Private corporations are led by irrational boards of directors chosen by extremely short sighted stock owners who think very long term investing is what happens in the next 7 days. I sit next to one of those "investors" at work. His long term investment outlook is about 3.5 days.

Re: Nice deployment chart

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 01:52:39 EDT

NotTheMama posted :

said by silbaco:

Can you host a server on Google Fiber?

~~Nope.~~ Not that I have any need or desire to, but sure--it's not like I'm trying to run a business or anything. (However, that's not really what I mean by "unrestrained".)

said by silbaco:

Re: Nice deployment chart

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:21:10 EDT

silbaco posted : Can you host a server on Google Fiber? Nope. Then it is not unrestrained.

The most popular internet packages purchased remain the cheapest tiers. Not the fastest, even in markets that are fairly competitive and reasonably priced. At $70 per month, Google fiber is not going to change that when the national average is ~$47 per month and people complain that is too high.

Re: Nice deployment chart

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:19:56 EDT

silbaco posted : People said that back in the early 2000's when dial-up dominated as the main source of internet. It didn't stop anything from being invented. Developers and inventors will move forward just like they always have, regardless of incumbents.

Re: Nice deployment chart

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:17:09 EDT

silbaco posted : Not even close to 10th. There are dozens of small companies and cooperatives serving more than Google is at the moment.

Re: Nice deployment chart

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:45:59 EDT

NotTheMama posted : Sorry... not following you there on the "extra" $240 (does that mean you're currently paying $50/mo?). The prices in my area for FiOS at about the typical speed offered (not the absolute "slowest", nor the fastest--I'm paying close to $60 and it's about the cheapest price available (the last time I checked), and it's nowhere near even 50mbps for download and even less close for upload) are about the same price that Google Fiber is priced for the 1gbps; there's little "extra" to speak of. But that's just FiOS. The "cable" providers around here (Comcast & Cox) are worse. Anyway, as I said, that isn't the best part of the deal: I place more value in having an "unrestrained" network connection. The speed alone may be worth it (or not--that's an individual choice); the attitude behind it definitely is as far as I'm concerned (and I'm not a fan of Google).
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Re: Nice deployment chart

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:19:22 EDT

sandman_1 posted : But that too is the "rub". How can anything new be invented for what the incumbant ISPs want to do, which is to stagnant? People have such short memories of what broadband did to the Internet when they first started offering years ago. Look at how rich in content the Internet is now as it has matured. I say bring the Gbps and let smart people figure out neat things to do with it.

Re: Nice deployment chart

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:06:56 EDT

kpfx posted : But there's the rub. Do I want 1 Gbps? Heck yeah. But do I want to pay an extra $240 a year when my 20 Mbps cable modem is working great for my needs? Not really....

Why? Until we see the Killer Internet App that needs that kind of speed, I don't see why I should pay for this "experiment".

I'm a huge Google fan, but this is just numbers for bragging rights. Show me why I need that speed and how it will make my life better, then you can take my money.

And that's something I think Google could do... but there hasn't been any hint of it yet.

Re: Nice deployment chart

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 21:08:04 EDT

NotTheMama posted : But have you seen all of the other broadband headlines? I'd say Google Fiber is in the top 10 in more ways than one. Really... who doesn't want 1gbps symmetrical for the same price as 1/20th of that speed (if you're lucky)? And that's not even the best part of the deal. I don't have to be able to get it in order to see it as "good news". :)
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Re: Nice deployment chart

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 20:24:59 EDT

ITALIAN926 posted : No, they simply dont deserve the headlines. What are they the 10th largest FTTP provider in this country?

Re: Nice deployment chart

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 20:13:52 EDT

DataRiker posted : Man you really hate google

Re: Nice deployment chart

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:42:32 EDT

ITALIAN926 posted : This is a joke, announcement of "fiberhoods" is hillarious. Lets not mention anything about Google expansion unless theyre getting out of the planned 2 cities.

Nice deployment chart

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:40:37 EDT

Lou75 posted : Why can't Verizon create a similar chart for their FIOS deployment in NYC? Hey Verizon, can you hear me now?