| Adam Lanzas hard drive »news.yahoo.com/may-never-know-ad···533.html
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 ashrc4Premium
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 sivranOpera convertPremium
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I wonder if it was just smashed or also encrypted.
Maybe he was just really thorough in smashing.
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| said by sivran:I wonder if it was just smashed or also encrypted.
Maybe he was just really thorough in smashing.
After the last Space Shuttle disaster some years ago, Data recovery experts (Kroll) were able to recover over 90% of the hard drive data from the smashed and burned devices. » gizmodo.com/388465/charred-hard-···cue-everPictures: » www.computerworld.com/s/article/···sk_driveI expect they will also have success here as well - just takes time --
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 KrisnatharokCaveat EmptorPremium
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Couldn't they just get internet browsing records from the ISP as well? |
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There's also this information... Reports: Lanza smashed computer hard drive quote:
...Two sources told The Hartford Courant the hard drive was broken in pieces, while ABC News reports the drive "appeared to have been badly damaged with a hammer or screwdriver."
Lanza may have also overwritten the drive, wiping out the data, tech experts said. ...
With comparison to the Shuttle, the questions are whether the platter materials (both base and coating) are the same for the different drives, and whether the forensic recovery would be equally difficult or even possible if the damage was different in quality (impact/heat versus being cut/torn into pieces).
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There have been a number of threads here on how to destroy a hard drive. Some methods are quite imaginative. I've used a hammer before.
Reports are that Lanzas was highly intelligent so I wouldn't be surprised if he erased then physically destroyed the drive. Perhaps even put a number of .223 rounds through it.
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All that would get is sites visited and if they were extremely lucky cloud based storage but the man was intelligent so he more than likely he put any plotting, planning, and random thoughts on the drive he destroyed.
I do not have Facebook but I would bet he either was vague or came across as intelligent and eccentric.
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 drewAutomaticPremium
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This sounds like a task for koitsu  |
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This boy/man was someone that everyone would certainly like to get to know via the HD, but it still wouldn't tell the story of what was in his mind. It may have given hints, which nobody seems to have at the moment, but I doubt it would have told the whole story, and it would still have been too late to have modified or altered the result. We have failed too many of those whom could have been helped.
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| said by jaykaykay:This boy/man was someone that everyone would certainly like to get to know via the HD, but it still wouldn't tell the story of what was in his mind. Exactly. Any documents on the HD written by the perpetrator may or may not be coherent or even accurate (e.g. deliberately misleading). Website visits etc could also be misleading.
As an example, lets says I plan to murder a bunch of people for my own reasons. However I wish to make some person or organization look bad. I could write documents and leave them on the HD, post to certain forums (e.g. right/left wing extremist websites), tweet to certain channels etc.
The assumption, by law enforcement, is that stuff on a HD is a true indication of a persons state of mind. That may or may not be true.
The point is that a highly intelligent but deranged individual could leave stuff behind to send a message. That doesn't seem to be the case in this incident but time will tell.
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I'm sure someone will want to know the Lanza method of data destruction if it really does prevent forensic recovery.
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1 edit | Of course.
Let's say the HD was damaged but not destroyed (e.g. the HD was hit by a hammer but the HD platters are ok). Does that mean that he was a) incompetent in his attempts. b) attempting to leave a message while making it appear as though not (for some crazy reason)?
On the other hand if the HD was effectively destroyed does that mean there was something worthwhile on it?
We can never be 100% sure in either case. His brains (deliberately) were splattered on a classroom floor and his mothers' were also blown out. In short the two people that probably knew are gone.
IMO all the opinions on TV may be great for ratings etc but I doubt we'll ever know the full story even if there is one.
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said by rcdailey:I'm sure someone will want to know the Lanza method of data destruction if it really does prevent forensic recovery.
With today's data density physical destruction of the platters will ensure data recovery is hard or impossible. In a HD like the Challenger's (400MB) you have 400MB of data spread across 2 platters. Think if it like grains of sand. Now in a modern 2TB drive, you have, what 5200x more data in the same area. So those grains of sand now become 5200x smaller. So if you take out, say a 1/16th of an inch, in a 400MB drive you may have wiped out a few MB of data. On a 2TB drive, you could have wiped out a couple GB. |
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And now for me too.
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Part of my job requirement is data destruction along with recovery.
Put the drive through a degausser, then a crusher. Model we are using right now puts a bolt through the platters (actually through the top, platters and out the controller board).
The magnetic field destroys any data track and if not, the physical destruction prevents removal of platters and any cache (chips).
Mind you, most 2.5" HDDs have glass platters (Hitachi/IBM/Toshiba). The platters shatter into bits (pun) when crushed.
With forensics, if the controller is intact, the cache and buffer may still have data. If the platter(s) are intact, they can be transferred to a slave (same model, heads).
If interested in more info in drive forensics, Scott is a good source and trainer: »www.myharddrivedied.com/
Reads like this neo-adult tried to cover tracks. Pretty messed up.
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 KilroyPremium,MVM
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Had to see this coming.
said by Article :
We do know that Lanza played violent video games. And he played them often. However, it's very difficult to say what kind of impact these video games might've had on his violent actions.
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| said by Kilroy:Had to see this coming.
said by Article :
We do know that Lanza played violent video games. And he played them often. However, it's very difficult to say what kind of impact these video games might've had on his violent actions.
Unfortunately, that bolded part of the quote is not true. It'a very easy to say all kinds of things regarding purported impacts of video games on people's actions... but it's scientifically and legitimately proving the impacts that's "very difficult". A lot of easy-to-say things will be said about a lot of things surrounding this tragedy... and are being said even now - especially by a media hungry for face-time ratings.
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