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Vinceruos_t

join:2012-05-04
reply to xenograffiti

Re: rose-colored glasses (Q-Q--)

I was a little late getting into warcraft 3 and then wow. I started playing warcraft 3 in 2008 bc a friend talked me into trying it. The storyline was amazing and got me hooked into the WoW universe. I can understand you saying the Illidan and Lich King story line is on par with todays current storylines if all you have to judge them is based on WoW. But if you ever go back and play Warcraft 3 you will realize that Illidan and Arthas ARE Warcraft! At least imo. I still love WoW and will continue to play, but the main story of WoW died with Illidan and Arthas for me. After beating the Lich king I felt like I had beaten the game.



I AM
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Ephrata, PA
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reply to Krisnatharok

What do we do with Goblins? Turn them back to NPCs?



Krisnatharok
Caveat Emptor
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join:2009-02-11
Earth Orbit
kudos:12
reply to Josof

Pandas should have been a third race themselves, able to enter both faction's capitol cities.


Josof

join:2010-10-23
Virginia Beach, VA
reply to RRedline

PvP would be more engaging with a 3rd faction.

1.humans,dwarves,gnomes, nelfs

2.undead,belfs,worgen

3.orcs,trolls,tauren

idk about spacegoats and pandas tough
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"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu



Krisnatharok
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Earth Orbit
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reply to TheThing

said by TheThing:

said by Archivis:

I think we'll see our group continue to subscribe, but I can definitely see that people need something else to supplement their game time with than just playing WoW every second of their spare time.

I'd like for it to be something like an FPS, but not some insta-gib nonsense. I think some co-op would be fun.

firefall

Firefall is a great idea, as are GW2/SWTOR/TSW. I may go back and check out all four at some point, but right now I've been consumed by my Crysis 2 playthrough--shit is maxed at ultra with all DX11 goodies on at 2560x1440, it's gorgeous, and the storyline rocks.
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Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

jofos

join:2008-02-14
Irvington, AL
reply to Immer

I think the big thing with the story is before the expansion the was a story. You could go to the plague lands and see what got Arthas going. But with the pandas its more like where the fuck did these drunk guys come from.
I do like somethings about this xpac, but I just don't know if there is enough there to keep me around and actually playing for very long.



xenograffiti

@unt.edu
reply to RRedline

said by RRedline:

I really think where Blizzard has fallen short is with the type of casual player who may play a lot (tens of hours per week even), but has no interest in instances

Yeah Blizzard really screwed all 23 of you.

Snark aside, they're a huge part of an MMORPG, and besides there is plenty to do outside of them.


TheThing

join:2012-08-10
kudos:1
reply to Archivis

said by Archivis:

I think we'll see our group continue to subscribe, but I can definitely see that people need something else to supplement their game time with than just playing WoW every second of their spare time.

I'd like for it to be something like an FPS, but not some insta-gib nonsense. I think some co-op would be fun.

firefall


RRedline
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join:2002-05-15
Attleboro, MA
reply to Carpie

I kinda agree with Carpie. I really think people just get burnt out over time, no matter how good the game is. I have come and gone several times since vanilla WoW, and I just started back to see MoP about two weeks ago. So far, I am enjoying myself a lot, but admittedly I am taking my time getting to 90 on my main, and I am spending a lot of time leveling up two alts. I raided MC in vanilla, and then pretty much swore off of PVE instances. My first MMORPG was Ultima Online, which in my opinion, was far better in many ways than ANY game since. The early days of UO were buggy, laggy, etc....but man, what a fun time I had. Dying actually sucked because you rezzed in nothing but your underwear! If you killed a high profile person on your server, you went to town and bragged about it. I could go on and on about how much fun that game was, but I can understand why games went more towards what we have today with regards to gearing and PvP.

I was very disappointed in Cataclysm because I thought they went way overboard with healing and health, and it ruined PvP for me. I spent a few months getting rich by being savvy with the AH and making Darkmoon Cards (I made about 1,000,000 gold in two months). I went into MoP with no expectations, so it's hard to get disappointed. If I get bored with it, I'll just cancel and wait for the next x-pack. It sure is nice starting out fresh with hundreds of thousands of gold in the bank.

By the way, I really think where Blizzard has fallen short is with the type of casual player who may play a lot (tens of hours per week even), but has no interest in instances, PvE and PvE. I really think it's a form of bait and switch when you have someone level up a character all the way to max level, able to log on and off on their own schedule, not needing to rely on others to progress, and then reach max level and be forced into instanced crap with others in order to progress. I may sound like the grumpy old guy who chases kids off his lawn, but I would rather that there were no instances at all in the game. I also think PvP servers should be called "Normal", and PvE servers called something else. I can't believe they created a world with two opposing factions, and then did so little to encourage PvP in the open world.
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xenograffiti

@unt.edu
reply to Immer

IMO, as someone who never played the Warcraft RTS, the new stories aren't any less engaging than the old ones. Arthas didn't mean any more or less to me then than a Mogu Emperor does now. For all the folks who are vocal online about these things there are more who just play for fun and don't know/care about lore.



Carpie

join:2012-10-19
united state
kudos:4
reply to Immer

Personally I think Blizzard has a great thing going and I'm still in the mode of counting the minutes until I can play again. I wonder if one of the differences is veteran players vs newer players like myself. The friends and family around me have really taken to Pandaria and have alot more interest than in the past. I think with just about anything, at some point people are going to become jaded with it. Is it a year, 3 years, 5 years, I don't know. Not that you ever want to see veteran players go, but if they are being replaced by newer players than that is probably a better thing for Blizzard long term. Things that lull and then bounce back or rotate fresh people through it periodically are the things that stay around forever.

I think of Magic: The Gathering like this. I was a zealot for that card game back in the early-mid 90's but by the end of the decade I thought it was on a dying limb. I didn't play any longer and neither did my friends. But for the past ten years we have popped in and out periodically and had "the fever" back for a month or two. And now that we have kids in college, I can say that I'm absolutely amazed to see that it is still not only alive, but thriving on college campuses still 20 some years later (wow that makes me feel old). I have a feeling WoW will be the same. So if you're not planning on cashing out your stock in the near term, Blizzard is still a good long term investment.



Jobbie
Keep It Simple
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join:2010-08-24
Mexico
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reply to bTU

bTU, I am in the same boat as you.



bTU

join:2009-04-22
Aurora, CO
reply to Jobbie

Mine was up in October, but I got a 1 year WoW time card for my birthday in April and a friend of mine and I RAF'ed each other for the nightwing mount, so I'm paid up until the end of May. We'll see if I'm still playing after I have to start paying for a monthly sub again.



Ghastlyone
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join:2009-01-07
Las Vegas, NV
kudos:5
reply to Archivis

I came back for a 10day trial of Pandaria.

The whole "asian" theme fell flat with me, and to be honest just felt bizzare being in World of Warcraft.

I believe a lot of people feel the same way with the current story line.


Cptbeatstix

join:2011-12-21
Carrollton, TX
reply to Immer

I always imagined what WoW would be like as a FPS. Just a hack and slash type game lol. Think Skyrim+Halo 4 Multiplayer+Fallout quest lines.



Archivis
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Earth
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reply to Jobbie

I think we'll see our group continue to subscribe, but I can definitely see that people need something else to supplement their game time with than just playing WoW every second of their spare time.

I'd like for it to be something like an FPS, but not some insta-gib nonsense. I think some co-op would be fun.
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A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -MLK



Jobbie
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Mexico
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reply to Cptbeatstix

We will see what happens when all the anual passes phase out. Mine is due on March.

I agree with Arch there.
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Judge a man by the trials of his shield, not the empty reaping of his sword.


Cptbeatstix

join:2011-12-21
Carrollton, TX
Reviews:
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reply to Archivis

I think pretty everything you said is why I've had this giant push into doing pvp. Really want to get my priest up to do arenas. Until then its raping everything that moves on my BM hunter. Raiding? probably just going to to get LFR geared as a tank and go on the back burner for my guild when it comes to tanking.

I may end up quitting before the end of january if I don't get another toon to 90....



Archivis
Your Daddy
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Earth
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reply to Immer

The biggest problem for me is the lack of an engaging storyline. They try. Oh, they try so hard, but I'm just failing to get attached to the story.

I really enjoyed the old warcraft games. Illidan was one of the primary baddies and then Arthas was the last baddie of the game in the Warcraft RTS series. After we killed Arthas, the game ended for me when it came to the story. Cataclysm storylines were pulled from external writings and Pandaria is just old school china bullshit. We all know that Garrosh is going to get consumed by the Sha and become a raid boss. If you've done any of the quests, you'll see that Thrall is probably going to come back and either take over the Horde again or turn the Horde over to Zul'Jin.

This all seems like petty stories, in-fighting, etc. There's no more story left. I think the only way they could actually engage us in a story is if they were to go back in time, pre-WC RTS series, or dive more into Khadgar, using Sands of Time to have us continue forward. Tier 5 Hyjal was a prime example of this and the battle for the World Tree was a great raid encounter.

But the current storyline is not engaging at all. I don't care about Pandaria, or the stone-folks with ancient chinese secrets. The Klaxxi is another nonsensical race. Who gets attached to bugs? I rep grind with a bug faction and I'm killing them in raids. There's no sense of identity with these folks, not like Arthas, not like Illidan and to some degree, Deathwing.
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A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -MLK


Cptbeatstix

join:2011-12-21
Carrollton, TX
reply to Archivis

Agreed on everything. AFJGAOSKJDNFSDKLFM Thaddius......................................................................................................................................................................


Archivis
Your Daddy
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Earth
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reply to Venom1

said by Venom1:

man i miss vanilla.

There are oldschool Vanilla pure servers out there. They're not Blizzard stuff, but they exist.

I think people realize the fun they had in the old expansions, but when they go back to play it, they miss a lot of the new features they're used to having now.

There was great challenge with old school raids, the kinds of challenge never seen again. Tier 3 Naxx was the most difficult raid instance in the history of WoW. The raid encounters have been tuned down significantly from that point and I really don't think that people have the patience, dedication, skill, and/or time to go back to something like that again.

Other than that, there wasn't much else to offer for the game aside from battleground PVP grinding, which was just a timesink to try and climb to the highest rank.
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A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -MLK

Cptbeatstix

join:2011-12-21
Carrollton, TX
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to Immer

Damn't, I should try harder. I enjoyed it because I got to see all the content, rock thunderfury when it was beastly in pvp and never really had a problem with gold since I had most of the fire resist crafting gear like the cloak. I admit, for the player that put in less than 20 hours a week (which honestly isn't hard to do) itwas something that just dragged on and on. But I was able to do progression because of being in the military and actually getting off work because I was 2 Hours behind the raid times.



I AM
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reply to Savious

+10 fire resist!!!!!!!!!! Gimmme dat for 500g!



Savious
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Belgrade, MT
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reply to xenograffiti

I had an epic mount when I hit 60. Of course, I also found 3 fire resist rings in WPL while leveling.
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Jobbie told me to keep my signature the same. This is me rebelling.



xenograffiti

@unt.edu
reply to Cuthgar

said by Cuthgar:

Care to post what fun things were occurring during vanilla? I seem to not recall all this fun people claim to have.

40 main raids where half the raid was always afk, hoping loot dropped then having at least 4 others of the same class all needing the same.

Epic mounts ground mounts were rare. saving up enough gold for one took forever. I remember running everywhere for a long while.

Top pvp gear was given to those who played 24-7, sharing accounts. Titles in pvp were based on how long you played, not how good you were.

There's more im probably missing but even with my hatred towards dailies and the new gated system thats currently in game, hands down the improvements that have been made since vanilla have made playing so much more enjoyable.

Don't get me wrong, at the time I was having fun, but with all the improvements that have been made im not seeing how people would rather go back to what was then.

Are you addressing me..? Because if you read what I wrote then you'll see that we agree.

I enjoyed 40 man raids and the early days of pvp. The game had srs issues for sure, as I said I wouldn't want to go back to it - but I had fun and made new friends.


Carpie

join:2012-10-19
united state
kudos:4
reply to Adalicia

said by Adalicia:

Lol.

They see you trollin'.

They hatin'...
Still trollin'...
They tryin' to catch me playin' dirty


I AM
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join:2010-04-11
Ephrata, PA
kudos:4
reply to Immer

Great comic.



Adalicia
Om Nom Nom

join:2009-10-13
Lincoln, NE
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reply to Cptbeatstix

said by Cptbeatstix:

PVP was fun. I was in a progression raid team in vanilla and I only fell asleep once on the Rag pull in MC. Epic mounts weren't rare if you had professions or spent time doing dungeons and not just sitting down and complaining about it being expensive.

Seems like you were a casual player that loves the fact everything is easier to get now.

Lol.

They see you trollin'.
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Suniojii

join:2009-10-31
Lakeside, CA
reply to Cptbeatstix

said by Cptbeatstix:

PVP was fun. I was in a progression raid team in vanilla and I only fell asleep once on the Rag pull in MC. Epic mounts weren't rare if you had professions or spent time doing dungeons and not just sitting down and complaining about it being expensive.

Seems like you were a casual player that loves the fact everything is easier to get now.

Troll much? Everything Cuthgar said was spot on. What is a casual player to you? Someone who puts in less than 40 hours a week?

Cptbeatstix

join:2011-12-21
Carrollton, TX
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to Cuthgar

PVP was fun. I was in a progression raid team in vanilla and I only fell asleep once on the Rag pull in MC. Epic mounts weren't rare if you had professions or spent time doing dungeons and not just sitting down and complaining about it being expensive.

Seems like you were a casual player that loves the fact everything is easier to get now.