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Snakeoil Ignore Button. The coward's feature. Premium join:2000-08-05 Mentor, OH kudos:1 Reviews: ·RoadRunner Cable ·magicjack.com	reply to Krisnatharok Re: rose-colored glasses (Q-Q--) said by Krisnatharok: Pandas should have been a third race themselves, able to enter both faction's capitol cities. Agreed. I've read a few harsh critiques about how the pandas seem to hate each other once they join alliance or horde. One person felt it was a cheap attempt by Blizzard to keep production costs down and the production on cycle. That by having one race, blizzard hoped that a near equal number of pandas would go horde and alliance, and not to just one faction. IMO, would have been better if they added another player race. They had two/three? other races besides Pandas in MOP, why not have one of them player run? -- Is a person a failure for doing nothing? Or is he a failure for trying, and not succeeding at what he is attempting to do? What did you fail at today?.
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Snakeoil Ignore Button. The coward's feature. Premium join:2000-08-05 Mentor, OH kudos:1 Reviews: ·RoadRunner Cable ·magicjack.com	reply to Carpie said by Carpie: What about the online D&D game? Anyone know anything about that? I remember being on the wizards.com site and seeing an ad for it. My kids and I played it. i just never got in it, though the kids go back to it ever so often. It's free to play. Though you have to pay to unlock new lands/dungeons/certain items/character types. But over all not bad for a free to play game. Give it a try, it costs nothing. -- Is a person a failure for doing nothing? Or is he a failure for trying, and not succeeding at what he is attempting to do? What did you fail at today?.
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Kearnstd Elf Wizard Premium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ	reply to Snakeoil said by Snakeoil: said by Krisnatharok: Pandas should have been a third race themselves, able to enter both faction's capitol cities. Agreed. I've read a few harsh critiques about how the pandas seem to hate each other once they join alliance or horde. One person felt it was a cheap attempt by Blizzard to keep production costs down and the production on cycle. That by having one race, blizzard hoped that a near equal number of pandas would go horde and alliance, and not to just one faction. IMO, would have been better if they added another player race. They had two/three? other races besides Pandas in MOP, why not have one of them player run? This is partly a flaw of the game code itself too, I think for player characters they have to be a set faction once out in the world. To be honest despite the greater threats to Azeroth and surrounding dimensions, The Alliance and Horde are only at war because if they where not people would question how PVP works. I do think two pandas should be able to always communicate though, It is silly that the moment you pick a faction you cannot talk to someone of the same race. Also high elves while not playable, technically a blood elf and high elf should be able to communicate. they have the same origins. They are technically the same species of elf.
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Snakeoil Ignore Button. The coward's feature. Premium join:2000-08-05 Mentor, OH kudos:1 Reviews: ·RoadRunner Cable ·magicjack.com	quote: I do think two pandas should be able to always communicate though, It is silly that the moment you pick a faction you cannot talk to someone of the same race. Also while not playable, technically a blood elf and high elf should be able to communicate. they have the same origins. They are technically the same species of elf. Agreed. I wonder if they would make changes if enough players complained? Should be an easy patch.. New skill.. languages/diplomat/tradesman Common, your racial language, then maybe a language of a horde race? Which would open the possibility of doing quests to gain a positive standing with that horde/alliance faction. Which would allow you to trade items commonly found in your faction area, that are harder to find in the opposing faction area. I like helping opposing faction players when we are in MOP, or cata, burning crusades. It seems so wrong, but at the same time kinda hopeful that one day we'd be able to sit down and share a beer. then kill each other, then have another beer as we toss dwarfs, gnomes and goblins over the cliffs. -- Is a person a failure for doing nothing? Or is he a failure for trying, and not succeeding at what he is attempting to do? What did you fail at today?.
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Kearnstd Elf Wizard Premium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ	if they allowed diplomatic solutions in WoW. The PVPers would crybaby a storm that it was "Removing the War from Warcraft." When people claim the Horde and Alliance could never ever get along.. I like to point out a moment of reality. We nuked Japan twice and now the best selling cars in America are Toyotas and the country is one of our closest allies that is not the UK or Canada. So any disagreements can eventually be resolved
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Snakeoil Ignore Button. The coward's feature. Premium join:2000-08-05 Mentor, OH kudos:1 Reviews: ·RoadRunner Cable ·magicjack.com	said by Kearnstd: if they allowed diplomatic solutions in WoW. The PVPers would crybaby a storm that it was "Removing the War from Warcraft." When people claim the Horde and Alliance could never ever get along.. I like to point out a moment of reality. We nuked Japan twice and now the best selling cars in America are Toyotas and the country is one of our closest allies that is not the UK or Canada. So any disagreements can eventually be resolved Agreed. Plus this would allow the introduction of a new enemy that both need to focus on as a team. I find it funny that there are certain factions that are both horde and alliance, Earthen Ring, but yet we can't communicate. Could be a good reason to grind rep to exalted, just so you can trade/chat with each other. -- Is a person a failure for doing nothing? Or is he a failure for trying, and not succeeding at what he is attempting to do? What did you fail at today?.
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wapu Broadband Ranger Premium join:2001-09-05 Boca Raton, FL	reply to Kearnstd said by Kearnstd: if they allowed diplomatic solutions in WoW. The PVPers would crybaby a storm that it was "Removing the War from Warcraft." When people claim the Horde and Alliance could never ever get along.. I like to point out a moment of reality. We nuked Japan twice and now the best selling cars in America are Toyotas and the country is one of our closest allies that is not the UK or Canada. So any disagreements can eventually be resolved And if Worf can server on the Enterprise-D, we can see even in a fantasy world two sides can come together. -- --
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Kearnstd Elf Wizard Premium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ	reply to Snakeoil factioning for language could make doing some daily quests have more of a progressive reward than just gold and clothing. I loved the sheer volume of languages that Everquest had. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports
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Archivis Your Daddy Premium join:2001-11-26 Earth kudos:18	reply to Krisnatharok said by Krisnatharok: Psh no, Firefall all the way. We'll see. The game has to offer more. I know it's in beta, so I won't judge, but the game has to be much more captivating. -- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -MLK
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RRedline Rated R Premium join:2002-05-15 Williamsport, PA	reply to Snakeoil said by Snakeoil: I could give you a big sloppy kiss right now. My sediments exactly. Todays standards of PvP or pre-school compared to wha real PvP was in UO. Get killed, have everything stripped from you, your body hacked up in chunks. The chunks in turn being fed to some animal tamers pet to be turned into shit. Ahh yes, the hell that was UO before the happy days of trammel. The main point for me is that the introduction of instances (PvE and PvP) takes away from the "virtual world" aspect of the game. In Ultima Online, there was no endless farming of content just to get better gear. The game was a true virtual world, and it was fun not knowing what was going to happen when you turned a corner. I admit that it was total chaos at first, but there was a short period of a year or so that made for the most fun I ever had in an online game. I only played that game for less than two years, but I still have a lot of great memories playing it. I even kept in close contact with a friend I made in the fall of 1998, and we now play WoW together. WoW has a GREAT interface, and the content is polished to a nice shine. I just hate how the game turned mainly into a gear grind, and instanced PvP lacks the same excitement that world PvP had in UO (and COULD have in WoW). When you die in WoW, it's just not a big deal at all. -- One nation, under Zod!
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Snakeoil Ignore Button. The coward's feature. Premium join:2000-08-05 Mentor, OH kudos:1 Reviews: ·RoadRunner Cable ·magicjack.com	I played UO for 5 or 6 years, can't remember how long rxactly. I have 3 inactive accounts with UO. One was my original, the second I paid a guild mate 400 bucks for. He had two houses on the server we played on, and at the time it was impossible to place a new house. So it was worth it. The 3rd was my "smurf" account. I had joined EAs volunteer counselor service. I got a free account for as long as I was a counselor. I was a Counselor on the Great lakes server, name of Tarl. My guildmates were the first to know, outside of my wife and I, of me becoming a dad. They were the first to know when my kids were born as well [twins]. We had a close knit group in UO. in WOW, I've been a member of several guilds, and not once did I feel like I was a "true' member. I jojn guilds just to get the boosts that come with being in a guild. Currently, I have 3 toons in a lev 25 guild, and that guild only has 12 to 20 active members out of 100+ And we don't talk at all, and I've never seen chat for raid planing or incident planing at all. -- Is a person a failure for doing nothing? Or is he a failure for trying, and not succeeding at what he is attempting to do? What did you fail at today?.
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RRedline Rated R Premium join:2002-05-15 Williamsport, PA	The problem is that people are obsessed with gear, achievements, etc. UO was truly a virtual world, and that's what made it so cool to me. I am not trashing WoW. I have played it (off and on) longer than any other game I have ever played, with the exception of the Street Fighter series, which isn't even an MMO. I love WoW, but at the same time I hate it. There just isn't anything "personal" about it to me, other than the few real life friends that I play with. I really think that a lot of the social features are what make it that way (ironically). Guilds are a dime a dozen, and like you, the main reason I am in one is to get the perks. I still say it's a bait and switch. It's a cool virtual world all the way to max level, then it turns into World of Instancecraft. They might as well let you queue up for whatever right on the log-in screen. You can go to one of the opposing faction's capital cities and attack NPC's, and hardly anyone even cares because OMG IT'S RAID NIGHT! -- One nation, under Zod!
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TheThing join:2012-08-10 kudos:1 Reviews: ·Comcast	said by RRedline: The problem is that people are obsessed with gear, achievements, etc. UO was truly a virtual world, and that's what made it so cool to me. I am not trashing WoW. I have played it (off and on) longer than any other game I have ever played, with the exception of the Street Fighter series, which isn't even an MMO. I love WoW, but at the same time I hate it. There just isn't anything "personal" about it to me, other than the few real life friends that I play with. I really think that a lot of the social features are what make it that way (ironically). Guilds are a dime a dozen, and like you, the main reason I am in one is to get the perks. I still say it's a bait and switch. It's a cool virtual world all the way to max level, then it turns into World of Instancecraft. They might as well let you queue up for whatever right on the log-in screen. You can go to one of the opposing faction's capital cities and attack NPC's, and hardly anyone even cares because OMG IT'S RAID NIGHT! They need to fully move PvP to the open World. They need to fully move Raiding to the open World. to keep the open World relevant and meaningful. GW2 gets there maybe 25% of the way end game with open World events, which basically gets you access to tons of gold, and pretty much the best gear in the game. To do this WoW would need to spawn Overflows servers just like GW2 does. If a hotly contested PvP zone reaches too many players spawn an overflow. If a Raiding open world zone reaches too many players spawn and overflow. No waiting ever... just go there and play The only instanced portion of the game should be dungeon, which you have to actually travel to with a group of 5, to keep the immersion real.
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Jobbie Keep It Simple Premium join:2010-08-24 Mexico kudos:1	The current concept of overflow is crap for WoW. CRZ must die in a fire.
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Snakeoil Ignore Button. The coward's feature. Premium join:2000-08-05 Mentor, OH kudos:1 Reviews: ·RoadRunner Cable ·magicjack.com	reply to RRedline quote: The problem is that people are obsessed with gear, achievements, etc. UO was truly a virtual world, and that's what made it so cool to me. I recall players in UO obsessing over weapons with the term "vanquishing" in them. Because they could kill a target in one or two hits. Then players obsessed over Armor/clothing that would stack to give them 100% zero regent cost. Which was great, because as a "grandmaster" magic user it meant not having to carry several stacks of regents around that would take up space and add weight. Remember UO had a space limit on packs of 250, as well as a weight limit. Go over the weight limit [I forgot what it was] and you ran out of stamina real quick. Thats another thing I liked about UO. The items you wore/carried effected your toon stam or dex. Wear full plate and have very slow weapon speeds [unless your plate items had dex boosts on them]. UO was the only game I ever saw dex monkies. Players that would go "naked" and use a halberd for 1 to 2 hit kills. By being naked they could wing the halberd faster then a dagger. Needless to say the gms fixed that little mistake. But dex played a part in how fast you could apply a bandage, and your healing/anatomy skill determined for how much that bandage would heal. They had a lot of kool little things that other games just never tried picking up on. For example: taming a chicken, then training it so it's strength and attack skills build. Then taking out with you and watching as it kills lizardmen and orcs. Then go to a player run chicken fight and enter the fight to see how well your chicken's training has progressed. My bard has a chicken on him [or he did last year] named KFC. Players being able to set up a house, then place a vendor in it. heck, I'd be tickled puck, if WOW would just let use hire vendors to sell goods on the streets, outside of the AH. I like the AH, but in UO, the home owner could place a request/suggestion box and the shoppers could place requests in there. I miss fishing. In UO, you purchased a boat and ventured out into the seas. Then you started fishing. You could pull up a boot, a sea serpent. Sea serpents gave a nice fight, and they'd sometimes have a message in a bottle as loot. The MIB gave you cords to sail to, and then you could fish up a chest filled with loot. Much more exciting then just standing on a shore line and casting into the water. I have noticed that Ultimate cards are good for UO playtime, I may fire up my accounts after my WOW time expires. Though the last time I did, my server was very empty, and I lost a decent mount because I forgot how to fight.. lol. It was just a fire beetle. -- Is a person a failure for doing nothing? Or is he a failure for trying, and not succeeding at what he is attempting to do? What did you fail at today?.
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Snakeoil Ignore Button. The coward's feature. Premium join:2000-08-05 Mentor, OH kudos:1 Reviews: ·RoadRunner Cable ·magicjack.com	reply to TheThing said by TheThing: said by RRedline: The problem is that people are obsessed with gear, achievements, etc. UO was truly a virtual world, and that's what made it so cool to me. I am not trashing WoW. I have played it (off and on) longer than any other game I have ever played, with the exception of the Street Fighter series, which isn't even an MMO. I love WoW, but at the same time I hate it. There just isn't anything "personal" about it to me, other than the few real life friends that I play with. I really think that a lot of the social features are what make it that way (ironically). Guilds are a dime a dozen, and like you, the main reason I am in one is to get the perks. I still say it's a bait and switch. It's a cool virtual world all the way to max level, then it turns into World of Instancecraft. They might as well let you queue up for whatever right on the log-in screen. You can go to one of the opposing faction's capital cities and attack NPC's, and hardly anyone even cares because OMG IT'S RAID NIGHT! They need to fully move PvP to the open World. They need to fully move Raiding to the open World. to keep the open World relevant and meaningful. GW2 gets there maybe 25% of the way end game with open World events, which basically gets you access to tons of gold, and pretty much the best gear in the game. To do this WoW would need to spawn Overflows servers just like GW2 does. If a hotly contested PvP zone reaches too many players spawn an overflow. If a Raiding open world zone reaches too many players spawn and overflow. No waiting ever... just go there and play The only instanced portion of the game should be dungeon, which you have to actually travel to with a group of 5, to keep the immersion real. One thing that I like about Rift, is the fact that Rifts open up any where in a zone and anyone nearby can jump in and have fun. But I also dislike it, because my current PC is a junker and a Rift makes the PC crawl to a stop. And this is on low render settings. The nice thing is, if you did anything at all in the Rift event you get some credit, and maybe a reward. I think it would be "kool" to have random pop up events like that in WOW. you are out questing, gathering mats, and an alert pops up, telling you an attack is happening.. Kinda like it does when the opposing faction players raid a town For example: duskwood could be attacked by a bunch of angry flea infested worgens. So a call goes out to help the town defend itself. Anyone that wants in can hit "I want in" tab, and join the battle. Everyone else would be ignored. Or maybe a mob of drunk angry dwarfs start a bar fight in Iron forge that you have to break up. -- Is a person a failure for doing nothing? Or is he a failure for trying, and not succeeding at what he is attempting to do? What did you fail at today?.
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I AM Premium join:2010-04-11 Ephrata, PA kudos:4	That's called...Dynamic Events. Try GW2 =)
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TheThing join:2012-08-10 kudos:1 Reviews: ·Comcast	said by I AM: That's called...Dynamic Events. Try GW2 =) ^This, exactly GW2 However, GW2 at end game lacks a lot of gear progression like other MMOs, like WoW You get exotic gear at max level... and that's pretty easy to get, and that's about it the next step is legendary and ascended gear, which are 95% cosmetic upgrades only... and offer very little stat improvement WoW Progression + GW2 random events = bath salts
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TheThing join:2012-08-10 kudos:1 Reviews: ·Comcast	reply to Immer I would like to further say, that GW2 is more like diablo 3 in the end game grind than WoW... at least for the open world portion of it, which is like 1/4 of the end game GW2 just like D3, you equip your MF set, explore and kill things now with a full MF set in GW2, I know where to farm things I want... and it's turning into crack... when the "ooooo shinies" drop
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TheThing join:2012-08-10 kudos:1 Reviews: ·Comcast	reply to Immer TITAN needs to come out ASAP but really will it be good enough? and with Blizzard's track record with D3 time to market, and SC2 time to market... when can we expect Titan?? 10 years? going to have to play Arch's text rpgs then...
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