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SueS
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Re: Excellent photo?

said by vaxvms:

Perhaps your question should have been
What is your idea of an exceptional photo?

I don't see much difference in the meaning of exceptional and excellence.


SueS
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said by krazyboi:

I overall tend to like pictures with:

good composition
good lighting
clean backgrounds

I also like candids over posed portaits, unless it's 'creative' posed portraits.
I like HDR but not overused HDR on landscapes.
list goes on....

Are all those photos with those criteria excellent in your opinion or do you just like them?


29886823
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You still haven't provided an example of a single 'excellent' image'. I wasn't asking if you had made an excellent photo, I was asking you to cite any image, preferably from our own Gallery. Surely you understood that.

I understand that you may like images but not consider them excellent. Since you do comment positively on some images, even some of mine, what on earth is the point of your comments? Are you considering yourself a kind of teacher that pats students on the head for producing any image at all? I don't understand the purpose of your comments. About the only thing I find thus far in this thread relevant to me are your statements that none of the images I listed are 'excellent', but that some are nice. What seems lacking here might be statements by others re the same images, or others in my Gallery, or, for that matter, any other images in our Gallery by any of our members, as to 'excellent images' found here.

I'm sure that a lot of people here will tell you that processing is difficult, but only if you care about your photos.



SueS
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It is simple, I wanted to see how others in their opinion, decided when an image is excellent. I provided my idea, and you provided your idea, and they are very different. Your idea is that an ordinary photo can be excellent, and my idea, they need something to make them stand out from the rest. They are opinions and was to be expected. I am not going to go digging through the gallery for an excellent photo.

I do think the NYTimes best photos of the year are excellent, but I don't have a link. I am not stating that a photo must be journalistic to be excellent, these are just an example of some photos I think are. I like many different kinds of photos.



29886823
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said by SueS:

I am not going to go digging through the gallery for an excellent photo.

I didn't provide an idea. I provided the images you asked for, and you thus far have not. Do you actually have to go digging through out Gallery to find an excellent photo?

One of the reasons I stay here is to sample the images I see, many of them excellent, and hope I can learn enough to emulate them. I can't imagine why you stay here; it seems to have less to do with photography and more to do with criticism.


SueS
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Your photos give us an idea of what you think is excellent.

Seems to me that once excellence in photography is reached their is not a lot left to aspire to. I gave a sampling of my idea of excellence in my previous post, and stated some reasons previously that I think make an excellent photo.

I don’t think it is your place to ask someone to leave, but I will check and get back to you.



vaxvms
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Help me to understand what, in your opinion, differentiates an excellent photo from a mediocre one and why.
I consider this to be an excellent photo »/pics/resize/140011
This photo
wasn't very hard to get,
doesn't contain a unique subject,
doesn't have exceptional light,
has nothing to make it stand out from the rest
anyone here could make it
there's nothing to make it stand out from the rest
What could have been done to make this photo excellent or is there no way this photo could ever be excellent?
--
CMKRNL



29886823
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said by SueS:

You stated in another thread that you have excellent photos in your gallery. I would still like to know which photos from your gallery fit in your category of excellence. If you read my first post you can see that my standards are pretty high, so I am sure we probably disagree on what we see as excellent.

Soon after the beginning of this thread you specifically asked me to list the photos in my Gallery I considered excellent. I did.
Soon after, I asked you to list any photos anywhere in the Gallery that you considered excellent. As of this moment you've listed nothing, so we have no concrete idea of what on earth you consider excellent, except by literary description. Unfortunately, we're talking photography, not literature.


Jodokast96
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said by 29886823:

Justice Potter Stewart in attempting to define hard core pornography said "I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it."

On that we can actually agree.

said by 29886823:

I would never agree that photos might be excellent "in that they are representative of the best one can do", as stated by jkk above. If that were the case there wouldn't be enough wall space in all the museums of the universe to show what she is declaring as "excellent photos". Am I to believe that the billions of photos on the Web are excellent, simply because the are "the best one can do"?

You may not agree, but others might. Or maybe not. Doesn't make any of them any more or any less excellent.


Jodokast96
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reply to vaxvms

said by vaxvms:

said by SueS:

I don't see anything in any of these images that is hard to do

I don't understand. Are you saying that an excellent photo must be a challenge to capture? Simple photos cannot be excellent?

I think I understand what she is getting at. She doesn't seem to verbalize it well, but I think in essence it's the same as my idea of excellence. She knows it when she sees it.


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I think the elements of an excellent image cannot be easily articulated. This is particularly true due to the fact that there are different types of photography such as portrait, landscape, architecture, abstract, etc.. Each with its own technical and stylistic attributes for excellence. For example, great bokeh is important to many portraits but not necessarily for a landscape.



SueS
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said by vaxvms:

Help me to understand what, in your opinion, differentiates an excellent photo from a mediocre one and why.
I consider this to be an excellent photo »/pics/resize/140011
This photo
wasn't very hard to get,
doesn't contain a unique subject,
doesn't have exceptional light,
has nothing to make it stand out from the rest
anyone here could make it
there's nothing to make it stand out from the rest
What could have been done to make this photo excellent or is there no way this photo could ever be excellent?

Perhaps a bear standing there eating those berries.

How can an image that anyone can make be excellent, wouldn't that be giving a whole new meaning to the word?


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this and this is excellent.

Blurry? yep. Blown out sky? Yep. Excellent? Convince me otherwise.
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Buckle Up. It makes it harder for the aliens to suck you out of your car.



SueS
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I never mentioned that a photo needed to be technically great to be excellent.



vaxvms
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If any should exist Can you post links to a few photos that are excellent?
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SueS
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The NYTimes photos of the year are excellent photos in my opinion. Look at the photo of the year for 2012

»lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/1···-winner/



rcroning
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All things aside, a really good photograph will have a story to tell.

Ralph.



29886823
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You are setting up photography as a special art form; museums are full of fine art that tells no story at all. Fine photography may or may not tell a 'story'.



29886823
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You still haven't listed a single excellent photo that exists on this site. Hard to believe.
The NYTimes images are basically photojournalism, and as such have those elements that appeal to our basic humanity, and have as well a terrifying reality. They are sui generis.



rcroning
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All art tells a story. If one is oblivious, one will not get it.



29886823
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Nonsense. What's the story here: »/showpic/dimag···316&p=3?

Quoting from your post: :"If one is oblivious, one will not get it."

Why the personal attack mode; my comment simply said that art may or may not tell a story.



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A horny flower ?



rcroning
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Horny flower!!! Absolutely!! Just waiting to "bee" had!!!

Like I said, the oblivious won't get it


krazyboi
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reply to SueS

said by SueS:

said by krazyboi:

I overall tend to like pictures with:

good composition
good lighting
clean backgrounds

I also like candids over posed portaits, unless it's 'creative' posed portraits.
I like HDR but not overused HDR on landscapes.
list goes on....

Are all those photos with those criteria excellent in your opinion or do you just like them?

IMO, kinda Both. I enjoy art/photography and feel it is subjective... so with that, I like seeing people 'progress' and get better. I'm not going to knock someone for trying or seizing the moment. Hard to learn if you're not trying or experimenting. As a photographer we sorta know what goes into making an 'excellent' picture. The 'criteria' are mainly for those who will post the same type of picture over & over and ask what is wrong with it. I'm on Instagram and majority of the photos there are from smartphones and I still enjoy looking at those pictures as much as browsing through Flickr or 500px.
Expand your moderator at work


richdelb
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Re: Excellent photo?

Reading this tread made me look at my photos in the gallery and ask "Are any of mine excellent?"

JKK thought this one was "excellent". Does it make it so? I don't know.. I like it (or I would not have posted it, I guess)

I think "excellent" is subjective.

I guess you can use technical indicators to see judge if a picture is properly exposed, in focus, composed correctly (rule of thirds being one "example" but not a DEMAND). If a person or subject is half way cut off the frame, that would be a demerit, etc. But an overall evaluation of "excellent"??? It's too subjective and individualized to be painted with a broad stroke.

The answer, in my opinion, is "It depends"

»/showpic/dimag···folder=0

Is this shot "excellent"? I don't know, but I thought it was good enough to share with you all, so I thought it was "up there"......



29886823
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You're obviously (perhaps obliviously) avoiding my response to your statement that "All art tells a story"; perhaps you don't really believe it.


krazyboi
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said by richdelb:

I think "excellent" is subjective.

I guess you can use technical indicators to see judge if a picture is properly exposed, in focus, composed correctly (rule of thirds being one "example" but not a DEMAND). If a person or subject is half way cut off the frame, that would be a demerit, etc. But an overall evaluation of "excellent"??? It's too subjective and individualized to be painted with a broad stroke.

The answer, in my opinion, is "It depends"

I agree....


SueS
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said by 29886823:

You still haven't listed a single excellent photo that exists on this site. Hard to believe.

I am not one to point fingers, so I will not pick out any photos from our gallery.


SueS
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said by richdelb:

Reading this tread made me look at my photos in the gallery and ask "Are any of mine excellent?"

JKK thought this one was "excellent". Does it make it so? I don't know.. I like it (or I would not have posted it, I guess)

I think "excellent" is subjective.

I guess you can use technical indicators to see judge if a picture is properly exposed, in focus, composed correctly (rule of thirds being one "example" but not a DEMAND). If a person or subject is half way cut off the frame, that would be a demerit, etc. But an overall evaluation of "excellent"??? It's too subjective and individualized to be painted with a broad stroke.

The answer, in my opinion, is "It depends"

»/showpic/dimag···folder=0

Is this shot "excellent"? I don't know, but I thought it was good enough to share with you all, so I thought it was "up there"......

This was my reason for asking, I was sure we all had different ideas for the word. I like to reserve the word for the best of the best. If we were all making excellent images, wouldn't they be hanging in galleries?

I see wonderful photos everyday and enjoy them, but I don't necessarily think they are all excellent. The word means of a very high quality or standard. I also think that because so many folks are doing photography today that the bar is continually rising.