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Gone
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reply to elwoodblues

Re: Airlines now MUST use "all-in-one" pricing.

said by elwoodblues:

Advertising is a provincial matter.

Employment standards are a provincial matter too, except in businesses subject to federal regulation. This is why I am not so sure it would be as cut and dry to claim a province could do that - for airlines, anyway.

Edit - after all, if it was a provincial matter how could the feds involve themselves in this now anyway?


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I don't care where the fees come from. The advertised price should include all fees and taxes. The invoice can break them out if they want, fine by me, but don't lure me in with "low prices" when the end price is nowhere near that amount.


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said by shaner:

I don't care where the fees come from. The advertised price should include all fees and taxes.

How can you run a national advertising campaign while including prices that have to reflect local variations in taxes?

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shaner
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To be fair, there are so few actual "national" advertising campaigns. They are mostly regional anyways. So, if you're running a regional ad, you know what the final price is in that region anyways.

I know you already know this, but the regional variation on taxes in Canada is at the provincial level anyways. There aren't municipal sales taxes in Canada like there are in the US.

I don't see it as a huge problem since most national companies with something to sell have varying regional prices anyways.
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said by Gone:

There's more to Canada than just Quebec.

Not only that, airlines are federally regulated so I don't see how Quebec would have been able to do anything anyway.

Air Canada is a Quebec company. They have to adhere to Quebec law. And because of the regulations in Quebec, Air Canada is already advertising all-in prices, as are Porter and WestJet (perhaps for unrelated reasons).

So my point is, all the airlines are ALREADY advertising all-in prices, so this new federal legislation requiring them to do so doesn't change anything. They're requiring something that they're already doing, and something that they're already required to do by provincial law anyhow. And since the largest airline in the country is based in Quebec, they have to adhere to Quebec law.
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dirtyjeffer
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that is great if you live in Quebec, but that isn't how things have been done for the rest of the country...now, the law applies nationally, which is a good thing.


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said by Guspaz:

Air Canada is a Quebec company. They have to adhere to Quebec law.

Wrong. They're not a "Quebec company" rather they are a "Canadian company." They are incorporated federally and their regulation is the exclusive realm of the federal government, something enshrined so deeply that it exists at a constitutional level. The location of their headquarters is completely irrelevant.

Airlines may very well be bound by Quebec law with regards to advertising regulations. On other matters - most specifically employment standards are the ones that jump to my mind - Quebec has zero say and can't make AC or any other airline do anything the feds don't require them to do.


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said by Gone:

On other matters - most specifically employment standards are the ones that jump to my mind - Quebec has zero say and can't make AC or any other airline do anything the feds don't require them to do.

How about the use of English?


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said by Steve:

How about the use of English?

Both, not one or the other.

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said by Guspaz:

said by Gone:

There's more to Canada than just Quebec.

Not only that, airlines are federally regulated so I don't see how Quebec would have been able to do anything anyway.

Air Canada is a Quebec company. They have to adhere to Quebec law. And because of the regulations in Quebec, Air Canada is already advertising all-in prices, as are Porter and WestJet (perhaps for unrelated reasons).

So my point is, all the airlines are ALREADY advertising all-in prices, so this new federal legislation requiring them to do so doesn't change anything. They're requiring something that they're already doing, and something that they're already required to do by provincial law anyhow. And since the largest airline in the country is based in Quebec, they have to adhere to Quebec law.

Actually, these new regulations are the reason all airlines are ALREADY advertising all-in pricing. They knew this was coming, and started complying. The regulations now make it official, and will prevent airlines from changing their minds.


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reply to elwoodblues
Change your phrase from "fixed" to uncontrolled. These fees can be changed at a whim with no control by the airline. So "fixed" is the wrong word.

Yes and the fuel surcharge is just another way of allowing them to change the price whenever they want to. Cruise lines do the same thing based on the price of a barrel of crude oil.

Several years ago the steel companies did the same thing. They started a surcharge so they could change the pricing when ever they feel like it. It makes the company feel like they are off the hook for price increases. Ya right.


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said by NCRGuy:

Actually, these new regulations are the reason all airlines are ALREADY advertising all-in pricing. They knew this was coming, and started complying. The regulations now make it official, and will prevent airlines from changing their minds.

So, in other words, Quebec's own advertising-related laws have no force on a federally-regulated airline. Gotcha. Just as I suspected.

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said by Gone:

said by NCRGuy:

Actually, these new regulations are the reason all airlines are ALREADY advertising all-in pricing. They knew this was coming, and started complying. The regulations now make it official, and will prevent airlines from changing their minds.

So, in other words, Quebec's own advertising-related laws have no force on a federally-regulated airline. Gotcha. Just as I suspected.

Oh no, they do. But it only applied to advertising in Quebec. Now it applies nation-wide.


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Gotcha. Like I said, I wasn't entirely sure on that matter, since there is other provincial legislation that they are specifically exempt from and instead have their own federal counterpart.