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FFH
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Re: [NFL] Sanchez Benched, Tebow heading to CFL?

said by elwoodblues:

Frankly I think the reason tebow isn't starting is if he starts and wins the last two games, is it'llake Rex look bad , Tebowmania will be heading out of town. Sanchez (in light of his contract) will start next season.

The deal the Jets made to get Tebow looks stupid if they never planned on using him. Why was it again they traded to get him in the 1st place? Was that an owner decision the coach was against from the beginning?
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said by FFH:

The deal the Jets made to get Tebow looks stupid if they never planned on using him. Why was it again they traded to get him in the 1st place? Was that an owner decision the coach was against from the beginning?

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said by FFH:

Was that an owner decision the coach was against from the beginning?

I think it was an owner decision to get him. And I think once the coaching staff saw his abilities and progress, or lack of both, in practices and preseason games, it was a coaching decision not to play him.

He's not a good QB and he hasn't progressed much toward being one in 3 years in the league.
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Supposedly, it is almost a lock that Tebow will end it in Jacksonville. If that were to fall through, Chris Mortenson (for what it is worth) is saying that sources close to Tebow have told him that the CFL is not an option.

I guess that means the Als will have to look elsewhere to get a short yardage quarterback.



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The Als just signed Kyle Quinlan the other day as the heir apparent to Calvillo. At least Quinlan has proven that he can throw on a regulation CFL field. Oh, and he's won the Hec Crighton trophy, so he's no slouch. I'm so happy to see Canadian grown QB talent finally getting a shot in the CFL instead of that position always reserved for imports.

So yeah, Tebow would end up 3rd on the depth chart at QB in Montreal anyways.
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You know I don't understand how any person IMO that is knowledgeable about the QB position and passing could ever think that Tebow could with his current total package of skills even remotely come close to being a professional level passer in any league. Just the way he throws the ball is horrendous. I am talking about the pure mechanics and the trajectory or flight of the ball and accuracy or releases on timing routes as well as the types of passes he cannot throw but an NFL QB must be able to throw. I'm also not even talking about his reads, audibles or the other skills needed.

I am seriously amazed at those that back him strictly on the above within the context of the areas I critique.

I'm speaking in general about Tebow and the subject and I when I refer to his backers I am referring to the totality of those in the national collective not any specific poster in this or any other thread here.



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You have to be realistic about Quinlan. Guy was eligible but not even drafted last year. Plus, he is hardly a physical specimen either. To me, he looks looks like a skinny high school quarterback. To be brutally honest, I would classify him closer to somebody who maybe hangs on by being on the practice roster rather than somebody who might be a starter in the CFL.



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said by Blogger:

You know I don't understand how any person IMO that is knowledgeable about the QB position and passing could ever think that Tebow could with his current total package of skills even remotely come close to being a professional level passer in any league. Just the way he throws the ball is horrendous. I am talking about the pure mechanics and the trajectory or flight of the ball and accuracy or releases on timing routes as well as the types of passes he cannot throw but an NFL QB must be able to throw. I'm also not even talking about his reads, audibles or the other skills needed.

I am seriously amazed at those that back him strictly on the above within the context of the areas I critique.

I'm speaking in general about Tebow and the subject and I when I refer to his backers I am referring to the totality of those in the national collective not any specific poster in this or any other thread here.

Never watched his College career, but I read he had much success. How did he accomplish that?
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I read: Sanchez beheaded.
Another option.



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He played on a top caliber team and his passing was set up by the running game of which he as a runner/passer/option player was built around. he was 6'3' or so, muscular, with decent speed, agility, and power so that fit with SEC team offense. If he had to have played on any team requiring him to be a pocket passer in college he would have failed miserably there. He wouldn't have been drafted in any round by any NFL team.



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How would Tebow handle the Arena League? I'm surprised that hasn't been mentioned. Granted he won't have a huge NFL salary, but playing is better than being a bench warmer.
Another option that would have been perfect for him would be NFL Europe if it was still around. I could picture squeaky clean Tebow having to play in Amsterdam.

Edit to add NFL Europe.



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Yeah, the NFL is really weird in that there isn't a developmental "minor" league system. NFL Europe actually worked pretty well, and a number of very serviceable NFL players (some even "great") got the in game reps needed to perfect their skill. I just don't understand how a guy can work so hard to get to the NFL and then just sit on a bench.

Could you imagine the spin off benefits to having a spring developmental league in tier II markets? But then, the NFL kind of expect college ball, Arena Football, and the CFL to do that for them I suppose.
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Don't forget his weakness is in two related but separate issues.

1. His current lack of technique or ability to properly throw the ball.

2. Learning all the skills of playing the position of a passing QB at a high level--both the mental and physical.

He would never succeed as a passer in the NFL, CFL, Arena League, until he masters the purely physical coordinated mechanical art of throwing the ball.



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All Tebow has done is try to be a good person and play football. That’s it. Two things. But that is too much for football people to grasp.

I never watched him play College Ball but after having read up on his career, for an athlete who cannot play QB he has some impressive stats.

Awards and Honors:
2007 AP Player of the Year Award
2007 Consensus All-America
2007 Davey O'Brien Award
2007 Heisman Memorial Trophy
2007 Maxwell Award
2008 Manning Award
2008 Maxwell Award
2008 SEC Offensive Player of the Year

Passing Efficiency Rating:
2007 NCAA 172.5 (2nd)
2007 SEC 172.5 (1st)
2008 NCAA 172.4 (4th)
2008 SEC 172.4 (1st)
2009 NCAA 164.2 (1st)
2009 SEC 164.2 (1st)
Career NCAA* 170.8 (2nd)
Career SEC* 170.8 (1st)

The other QBs must have been awful.

In 2008, Tebow led his team to victory in the BSC National Championship game and was named the winner of a host of athletic awards.

In 2011-2012 NFL Season, much to the horror of Fox and Elway(this makes me laugh), this "terrible QB" led the Broncos to 1st place in the AFC West, and even beat the mighty Steelers in a play off game.
As a reward he was traded to the worst managed team in the World, the NY Jets. The current QB Mark Sanchez managed to, singlehandedly, play himself out of a job and the third string QB, a Player who never threw a ball last year and yet criticized the team, got the position. He had a memorable debut, losing to the fumbling, bumbling SD Chargers.

Yet we have a QB, who had successful seasons all through his career sitting on the bench.

This reminds me of an old saying, "If you lick they kick". Its about time Tebow started to kick.
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With all the things that Tebow has accomplished, it really is amazing that no team in the NFL wants to run him out there and see if he'll turn into a good pro. Jacksonville drafted Gabbert way too high and gave him the team way too early, and Gabbert never took a snap from center in his college career. Yet no one questioned whether he'd be a good pro. He had to play himself out of a job. With Tebow, it's the opposite.

Tebow's throwing motion is a red herring. I've seen QBs like Billy Kilmer that threw wounded ducks more often than not find a way to win. The whole situation reminds me of Doug Flutie. The guy won when he got a chance, yet the NFL coaches were simply afraid to play him because he wasn't a prototype and they wouldn't open themselves up to criticism. They'd rather play it safe and lose.
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said by footballdude:

With all the things that Tebow has accomplished, it really is amazing that no team in the NFL wants to run him out there and see if he'll turn into a good pro. Jacksonville drafted Gabbert way too high and gave him the team way too early, and Gabbert never took a snap from center in his college career. Yet no one questioned whether he'd be a good pro. He had to play himself out of a job. With Tebow, it's the opposite.

Tebow's throwing motion is a red herring. I've seen QBs like Billy Kilmer that threw wounded ducks more often than not find a way to win. The whole situation reminds me of Doug Flutie. The guy won when he got a chance, yet the NFL coaches were simply afraid to play him because he wasn't a prototype and they wouldn't open themselves up to criticism. They'd rather play it safe and lose.

I agree. Tebow found ways to win. And he deserves to be on a team that will let him do that. And it isn't the Jets.
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Jets are still screwed up. Their previous 3rd string QB McElroy ,who started the last game, hid a concussion from medical staff all week until today and now he can't start the next game. So what do the Jets do? Pull Sanchez off the bench instead of playing Tebow. Sanchez will start Sunday. Ryan is an idiot. When the season ends, he should be fired.

»msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-···n-122712
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Good grief. What a mess.


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The POS Ryan still being head coach of the Jets is the main reason why I will never again support the Jets organization....and I go back to when guys by the name of Namath, Maynard, Snell, Boozer, Schmitt etc were playing.

Ryan is full of shit as well as the most over rated head coach in the NFL..

I believe the character and words of Tim Tebow before I will ever believe Rex "Go Fuck Yourself" Ryan

Here's what Tebow had to say.

»www.nydailynews.com/sports/footb···.1227649



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said by footballdude:

With all the things that Tebow has accomplished, it really is amazing that no team in the NFL wants to run him out there and see if he'll turn into a good pro. Jacksonville drafted Gabbert way too high and gave him the team way too early, and Gabbert never took a snap from center in his college career. Yet no one questioned whether he'd be a good pro. He had to play himself out of a job. With Tebow, it's the opposite.

Tebow's throwing motion is a red herring. I've seen QBs like Billy Kilmer that threw wounded ducks more often than not find a way to win. The whole situation reminds me of Doug Flutie. The guy won when he got a chance, yet the NFL coaches were simply afraid to play him because he wasn't a prototype and they wouldn't open themselves up to criticism. They'd rather play it safe and lose.

Totally agree .. and me being a long time Redskins fan, you are correct. Kilmer threw some of the worst passes in the history of football but some how they got to the rec and he found a way to win .. Give Tebow a chance, that is all he is asking for . I don't blame Denver though. They had a chance to get and ended up with Maniing .. but what the Jets did with Tebow is terrible ..


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said by sailor:

Here's what Tebow had to say.

»www.nydailynews.com/sports/footb···.1227649

Y'know, it's okay for a "team first" guy to say Put Me in Coach. Tebow has a desire to play and win, and frankly, at this point, he has every right in the world to demand it. He's never been given anything that might even closely resemble a fair shot at playing. It would be as if the Islanders asked John Tavares to only play on the penalty kill as a defenceman.
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What a BS reason not to start Tebow. The Jets are not going to the play offs or playing a play off team. I do not think the coach like Tebow and do not want him to play.
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Danny Wuerffel posted great numbers as a QB in college. He stunk as an NFL QB.

Tebow "deserves" what any other NFL player deserves, nothing more. When the coaches think they're good enough they play. His coaches don't think he's good enough.

Tebow lost 4 out of the last 5 games he started for Denver, 3 of them by big margins, yet the only game that seems to be talked about was the 29-23 win over the Steelers.
Lost 41-23
Lost 40-14
Lost 7-3
Won 29-23
Lost 45-10

Tebow had his chance in Denver. The league wised up to what he could and couldn't do which is why they lost 4 of his last 5 games. Denver traded him (a former 1st round pick) for a 4th rounder to the Jets. The Jets were one of 2 teams that wanted him; the Jaguars were the other. He had his chance with the Jets. He hasn't shown the Jets coaching staff he has earned the starting job, and they're not going to put him on the field ahead of someone they believe is better just because his fans think he "deserves" to start.

If he's ever going to start anywhere he's going to have to earn it in the NFL just like any other NFL grunt player does -- convincing his coaches he should be starting. He doesn't deserve any more than that and neither does any other player. So far the Broncos and the Jets have given up on him. I imagine someone else will give him a try, despite the fact that he refused to run the wildcat plays last week.
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