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Bob4
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Re: AC/DC power

Because it's easier to increase and decrease the voltage of AC circuits by using transformers, making long distance transmission more efficient.
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said by Bob4:

Because it's easier to increase and decrease the voltage of AC circuits by using transformers, making long distance transmission more efficient.

DC high voltage transmission lines are actually more efficient. Back when the selection was made, dc/dc transformers were not available.

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Just think of all the wall-warts we wouldn't need if it was DC all the way...

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said by Bob4:

Because it's easier to increase and decrease the voltage of AC circuits by using transformers, making long distance transmission more efficient.

DC high voltage transmission lines are actually more efficient. Back when the selection was made, dc/dc transformers were not available.

The problem is generating high voltage DC where as you can easily make 100v AC into 10,000v (albeit at lower current until down converted again).... DC no matter what is what it is generated at PERIOD (unless you do an AC conversion) and line loss for DC is much higher.

There is no such thing as a DC to DC transformer with out some AC between.... an unshifting magnetic field can not be transformed other than resistively (and only down or burst capacitively up)... that's how transformers work its the AC acting as a rotating coil in a fixed structure and inducing electricity again static unshifting DC can't.

Your wall wart USB DC supply is transformed 120V AC, (25:1) reduced to 5VAC and then rectified to DC.

Now in most electronics circuits AC is useless other than power supply, and its all DC... but long line transmission is the thing AC does so well, and DC fails at.

If NYC were still all DC as it was turn of last century they would be power stations every 10 blocks not like 3 for the whole city.... That is how big the line loss for DC is... if you don't start at somerthing ridiculously BIG.

And another thing EDISON by EGO tried to do is say how DANGEROUS AC was.... by electrocuting both a Elephant and inmate with AC..of course no DC comparison....
Fact IS DC LOCKS your muscles can't let go if strong enough... the vibration of AC for an equivalant vlotage actually gives you the chance to let go if you can... again another stupid PURE GO EDISON thing leading to his lose and really credibility ever after... pretty much just retire after that, before proved stupid again.

Again astounding EDISON could be so EGO blind to it, though he had to see the science...unfortunately he didn't come up with and would get little income from, though likely would have considering how business dumb Tesla was... or altruistic depending on how you look at it... just wanting to give it to the world ... still died a pauper... should have been rolling in money, as those that capitalized on it did. (Like Westinghouse and even Edison (GE) finally)

And I actually take back that no DC to DC transformer thing ... you can induce a stepped up charge but you can not sustain it beyond a discharge before it must rebuild (like a capacitor fed off a DC circuit to store a back up punch) Why over driven audio amps crap out... the capacitors can't for that occasional big punch recharge fast enough... also why 500 watt amps are generally BS... yes they have the capacitor to intermittently deliver that big boom... but you demand that full time they turn it to what it is maybe 100 watt distorted crap.

Heck with copper wire and masking tape dual coil from a 9v DC batt built those shockers in school... up to maybe brief 100V zap but again they were basically a capacitor though do alter the voltage... but only stored burst not continuous... zapped you but then done until recharged.... feed by AC would be continuous big zap output, and the equivalent of todays stun gun.

Probably invented by someone that played around with masking tape momentously charged coils when they were a kid like I did, but had reason to say what if we do this (obviously from DC batteries but inverted to AC... kick your butt long duration) could be a non lethal weapon, instead of momentary practical joke.... hell wish I'd thought of that.

But never put near the condition to think of it but maybe they were.... just apply AC to a science oriented child's electronic joy buzzer practical joke.

Likely all it was.... and hey doesn't even need to be pure sinewave UPS... just X cycle pole shifting.... never even studdied them maybe even 25cps is fine forget our household 60 cps.

And again for years DC ignition coils were status quo but they again as basically capacitors can on recharge so fast but RPM going up.... led to new electronic methods... though digital not analog... so again get us away from physicality.

My childhood hand made momentary shock toy it today's AC (even if DC inverted to get there) powered stun gun... direct DC would never do it.

Again difference EDISON would never admit DC is DEADLY though that is what he tried to make of AC... in much PR

Problem is again equal voltage FACT is you have MUCH better chance of letting go of AC vibrating vs DC from 1st second locking you muscles.

Again makes you wonder how the Genius of the age EDISON could be so ABSOLUTELY EGO STIPID about it?

And pretty much went into retirement after for being that stupid... again having won WESTINGHOUSE big leaad for a while until EDISON gave, gave up and retired.

Wonder what else he might have done after if not so much never admitted retired... I mean that is how much tossed out the door by Edison Tesla was but really just stopped.

OK some refinement to phonograph deveopment but film really went to Eastman...basically after Teslas Edison gave up... something could be said of age... but not charachter.... he knew he was beat and age or not just gracefully faded away on his millions.

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Edison was fond of electrocuting animals to show that AC was dangerous.

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said by Bob4:

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was fond of electrocuting animals to show that AC was dangerous.

I believe I said that and profoundly wrong.... DC would have killed much faster.....

If not chained the AC elephant could have just stepped away likely.

Again the most stupid point in EDISON's life (I am sure he regreted) and NOTHING really ever after.... he retired semi in disgrace but for all he had done before. But really NOTHING after,,, that was the shameful end, but resting on his laurels.