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rabeatz

join:2012-11-26
Winter Springs, FL
reply to bigdaddy

Re: Every channel flagged as copy once?

said by bigdaddy:

said by steelingbox:

Try looking for the 6 tuner prime and you will come up empty handed.

Look's like it's been Discontinued and for good reason you know the HDHR3-6CC-3X2 needed two cable cards, two tuning adapters and two Gigabit Ethernet port's it was basically two unit's in one. And no the Product page was not Erased from the innternet here is the URL »www.silicondust.com/products/mod···6cc-3x2/

Keep an eye out for new products form silicon dust and ceton corp at this year's CES 2013.

Yeah, the 6 tuner prime was essentially two of the three tuner ones stacked on top of each other.


steelingbox

join:2005-07-09
Deltona, FL
reply to bigdaddy
Not really sure why it was a good reason to discontinue it as the appeal of the device was to place everything in one unit. Requiring 2 cable cards is a limitation by the card itself and not the hardware. You still need 2 cable cards, 2 tuning adapters, and 2 ethernet ports if you want/require 6 streams but now you have to add an extra power cord to the mix, 2 devices you cant mount in a rack, and would require you to spend about 75-100 dollars more buying the two 3 tuner models compared to the 6 tuner.
I guess this is going to make it hard for me to unload this thing on ebay now that its a discontinued item.

CableGuRu

join:2012-03-02
Geneva, FL

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Actually...its a hardware/system limitation. The cable card (s) we use have a limit of 6Stream. However, BHN system is not setup(yet??BHNTechExpert would now more on when and if we expect to support it) to allow anything more then 2 out of the cablecard.

note: here is the spec sheet on the cards we use

»www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collate···99eb.pdf

ecollin23

join:2012-12-15
Orlando, FL

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Don't you allow M-cards to support 4 streams on Ceton InfiniTV products? I think the SiliconDust limitation is based more on the fact that they support operation in a 100 Mbit LAN environment. Ceton uses USB and/or PCIslots both of which have more bandwidth than a 100Mbit lan. I have a SiliconDust tuner and one Cablecard supports all three tuners and one tuning adapter.

CableGuRu

join:2012-03-02
Geneva, FL
I would have to check with BHNtechXpert to be 100% sure only because I have not seen nor heard of any of my guys running into quads out in the field; only the duals.


BHNtechXpert
BHN Staff
Premium,VIP
join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
kudos:151
reply to steelingbox
By specification a "Multi-Stream" CableCARD (M-Card) can decode up to six channels simultaneously. I personally have never seen it done but that doesn't mean much.

CableGuRu

join:2012-03-02
Geneva, FL
TiVo was "supposed" to release a 6tuner distribution hub, a server more or less, this year but i think it was delayed for some reasons. So something to look forward to...

ecollin23

join:2012-12-15
Orlando, FL
reply to CableGuRu
People that have multiple tuner devices that use cablecards will do almost anything to keep the cable company from coming inside their house They don't want to have to explain their setup to someone who will never believe it can work. They will pick up the card and call in for activation or use a forum like this where people appear to have more experience with the new products. I believe that is why your guys haven't seen them in the field.

ecollin23

join:2012-12-15
Orlando, FL

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I also want to take this opportunity to share my reasons for even trying such bleeding edge technology. I went for several years using the converter boxes. About three years ago I bought an audio receiver that has the ability to switch HDMI signals. When I called Brighthouse to see if they had any HDMI converter boxes I was told I would have to drive in and see because the agents on the phone cannot see what is in the store. To make a long story short they didn't have any HDMI converter boxes in stock AND they had closed the office near me so I had to drive much farther just to find out they did not have what I needed. They told me I could schedule a truck roll but they could not guarantee what boxes the tech would have. I am not saying Brighthouse is a bad company. What I am trying to convey is that by allowing me to buy and install the products that are important to me, you have created a very loyal customer. No other Orlando programming provider gives me that choice and I appreciate the fact that you do.


BHNtechXpert
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Saint Petersburg, FL
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said by ecollin23:

I also want to take this opportunity to share my reasons for even trying such bleeding edge technology. I went for several years using the converter boxes. About three years ago I bought an audio receiver that has the ability to switch HDMI signals. When I called Brighthouse to see if they had any HDMI converter boxes I was told I would have to drive in and see because the agents on the phone cannot see what is in the store. To make a long story short they didn't have any HDMI converter boxes in stock AND they had closed the office near me so I had drive much farther just to find out they did not have what I needed. They told me I could schedule a truck roll but they could not guarantee what boxes the tech would have. I am not saying Brighthouse is a bad company. What I am trying to convey is that by allowing me to buy and install the products that are important to me, you have created a very loyal customer. No other Orlando programming provider gives me that choice and I appreciate the fact that you do.

In all honesty there's a reason why reps cannot call the lobby locations and simply stated we want the lobby reps focused on you not our reps calling them. We no longer have HD boxes without HDMI so this won't be a problem going forward
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CableGuRu

join:2012-03-02
Geneva, FL
reply to ecollin23
very much so but at the same time their are people that try this and instead they end up making it more complicated by doing it themselves instead of letting us just come out and set the cards and tuning adapters up properly. When your dealing with one or two sets of 13digit cablcard and host id numbers...lol..its easy to get dyslexic and if that happens there's a chance the cable card can be "bricked" and have to be replaced. Which then makes it worse because our allotment of cable cards are shared between multiple area contractors.

Their are things that make it difficult that are out of the customers hands and some that are. If someone is able to get it installed without us coming out..more power too ya..but for the sake of future eq, time and signal issues I would personally prefer the in-house visit

rabeatz

join:2012-11-26
Winter Springs, FL
reply to CableGuRu
said by CableGuRu:

Actually...its a hardware/system limitation. The cable card (s) we use have a limit of 6Stream. However, BHN system is not setup(yet??BHNTechExpert would now more on when and if we expect to support it) to allow anything more then 2 out of the cablecard.

note: here is the spec sheet on the cards we use

»www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collate···99eb.pdf

I agree with ecollin2 on this - my silicondust HDHomerunPrime supports and uses all 3 tuners simultaneously with one M-Card. So I don't think 2 is the limit for BHN.


PortableTech
Premium
join:2010-10-05
Rockledge, FL
reply to steelingbox
How does Brighthouse get around the whole Copy-Once flag on their own Whole Home DVR setup? To my knowledge, you can play items from other DVR units under that setup, though it is possible I am wrong. If it does work that way, it seems a very interesting double standard and perhaps a bit anti-competitive.


PortableTech
Premium
join:2010-10-05
Rockledge, FL
reply to steelingbox
How does Brighthouse get around the whole Copy-Once flag on their own Whole Home DVR setup? To my knowledge, you can play items from other DVR units under that setup, though it is possible I am wrong. If it does work that way, it seems a very interesting double standard and perhaps a bit anti-competitive.


BHNtechXpert
BHN Staff
Premium,VIP
join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
kudos:151
reply to steelingbox
Because there is no movement of the recording off the DVR. Your recording is streamed from the DVR to a DRM compliant box.

Ceton users can do the very same thing provided they use a Media Center Appliance or Xbox. There is no conflict or favoritism...its all about the DRM compliance.


PortableTech
Premium
join:2010-10-05
Rockledge, FL
reply to steelingbox
I suppose it makes sense... Still seems a bit like splitting hairs. I suppose it also justifies why the new Tivo Stream stuff will supposedly work (I do not currently have one) where DVR to DVR will not.

That all being said, is there some specific reason Brighthouse chose to apply this flag to every single channel except locals? It would not seem to be at the request of the broadcasters or I would suspect that every cable company would have to do it which they clearly do not.

All in all, I do like the Tivo setup much more than the Brighthouse boxes (just got the Tivo's a week ago). Got tired of the Brighthouse boxes going bad and having to lose all my recordings.


BHNtechXpert
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join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
kudos:151
said by PortableTech:

That all being said, is there some specific reason Brighthouse chose to apply this flag to every single channel except locals? It would not seem to be at the request of the broadcasters or I would suspect that every cable company would have to do it which they clearly do not.

This has been well covered in other threads and discussions...not going to get into it again. Thanks for understanding.
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PortableTech
Premium
join:2010-10-05
Rockledge, FL
reply to steelingbox
Fair enough, I will do some searching...

I did just do a test, and I guess the Tivo's do let you play on each other without issue. I guess downloading them to the PC is the only affected issue. I had misunderstood based on some other things I read and thought it prevented you from playing a recorded show on another Tivo.


BHNtechXpert
BHN Staff
Premium,VIP
join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
kudos:151
reply to steelingbox
As long as you leave the content alone you can view it in most cases or as its called copy once. Try to move it to another box and you will run afoul of the CCI bit.