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Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Thu, 27 Dec 2012 06:03:34 EDT

anon posted : i so hear you on that one....my dad nade 600 payments to bell..50 years never late and he sold his house and wanted to transfer his services to the new address after the 3 rd call he gave up and callled rogers they now have his cable intnernet phone and cell...nice move bell you lost a 50 year client....thank india and your outsourcing and please stop calling him he obviously gave you a hint with his pocketbook decision

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Wed, 26 Dec 2012 14:24:44 EDT

IIgs posted : When I say hybrid, I didn't mean to imply it was part of the Macintosh line or could run Mac software. It just shared many of the technologies and concepts of the Mac.

The IIGS's firmware had a ROM-based Toolbox, even its own version of Quickdraw named "QuickDraw II". ADB was designed for the Mac, but introduced first on the IIGS by a good year and a half. From very early on it had its own color version of the Mac Finder, long before the introduction of GS/OS in 1988. ProDOS 16 came out at its introduction in '86 and still had the same GUI capabilities and functions as GS/OS from day one (it was just terribly slow, since it was a 16-bit shell around an 8-bit OS at the core; GS/OS fixed this by being a true 16-bit OS). It also shared built-in support for the same devices, such as the Apple 3.5 floppy drive.

The Apple II side was emulated through hardware, with the Mega II (an entire Apple IIe on a small chip, minus CPU, RAM or ROM). It did so very transparently, you'd never guess it was emulation.

So it had an emulation mode (for the 8-bit II) and a native mode (for the 16-bit Mac-like side) but in some ways it was neither an Apple II or Macintosh. That's why I describe it as a kind of a hybrid of the two machines.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Tue, 25 Dec 2012 19:19:09 EDT

Guspaz posted : The IIgs wasn't a hybrid in any sense; it had very few similarities to the mac except that they were both using 16-bit processors (with completely different architectures made by different companies), and they both used ADB for peripherals like the mouse and keyboard. They both used SCSI too, but that wasn't saying much.

Apple tried to build a little similarity by putting out GS/OS, which was a port of the Macintosh operating system (System 5) to the IIgs, but that came out years after the IIgs launched, and many existing systems (in schools, for example) never got the upgrade.
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Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Tue, 25 Dec 2012 00:12:18 EDT

IIgs posted :

said by Gone:

said by Guspaz:

I grew up with the things, lots of people called the mac an Apple.

I grew up with the things too, having used Macs since the 80s back when most kids were playing on C64s.

You could call it the Piece of Poop On a Logic Board for all I care. It's still a Macintosh. Even though everyone calls them Apples and everyone understands what they mean, a Mac is made by Apple, but it of itself is not an Apple. Those were discontinued 20 years ago.

If Toyota made a product called the "Toyota" it is unlikely anyone would ever call their Corolla a "Toyota" today without further qualifying it.

I agree. A Macintosh is certainly an Apple product, or a computer manufactured BY Apple, but it is not an "Apple" per say. That is an entirely different family line of computer.

It started with the "Apple 1" in 1976. That evolved in the "Apple II" in 1977, and by 1980 the "Apple III". There were variations of the latter two computers (i.e. Plus, e, c, c+, III+) but at no point were any of these even remotely related to the 1984 Macintosh and its later variations. One line was Apple, the others was Mac.

The Apple IIGS was interesting though, it was a hybrid cross of the Apple and Macintosh, almost a bridge between the two lines.

Also interesting, there never was a Macintosh with the badge "Apple Macintosh" on the case or motherboard (whereas the Apple line had the word "Apple" on the case, right next to the rainbow logo).

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:21:55 EDT

Warez_Zealot posted :

said by Wolfie00:

No disagreement with you there, except I'd say that hubris and complacency are closely related. And Balsillie, for one, certainly seemed to have a major case of asshole-itis.

One of the major vulnerabilities that affects high-tech companies that have achieved explosively rapid success is the ingrained belief that they are masters of a particular technology, and being the best, they are invulnerable. Sometimes they really are the best, sometimes it's a delusion, but ignoring the market reality around them will be their undoing in either case. Betamax really was better than VHS, DECnet/OSI really was better than TCP/IP, and OpenVMS really was better than Unix, but in the end it didn't matter.

Man, I didn't know RIM pulled stuff like that. Problem is when you start acting arrogant in a customer service sector -- you won't last long. What goes around comes around.
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Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Sun, 23 Dec 2012 00:29:43 EDT

TLS2000 posted : I think the ultimate goal here is for a buyout to happen. I'm probably going to get a BB10 phone to play around with, but I think that someone that's interested in QNX integration will buy out RIM in the end.
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Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Sat, 22 Dec 2012 21:52:50 EDT

Linklist posted :

said by Robrr:

RIM earnings are out and again beat the street. Stock has surged 13% since trading resumed for it at 4:40 pm EST.

»www.businessinsider.com/rim-earnings-2012-12

And it went down 23% the next day.
»www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:RIMM
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Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Sat, 22 Dec 2012 21:28:42 EDT

Wolfie00 posted : No disagreement with you there, except I'd say that hubris and complacency are closely related. And Balsillie, for one, certainly seemed to have a major case of asshole-itis.

One of the major vulnerabilities that affects high-tech companies that have achieved explosively rapid success is the ingrained belief that they are masters of a particular technology, and being the best, they are invulnerable. Sometimes they really are the best, sometimes it's a delusion, but ignoring the market reality around them will be their undoing in either case. Betamax really was better than VHS, DECnet/OSI really was better than TCP/IP, and OpenVMS really was better than Unix, but in the end it didn't matter.
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Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Sat, 22 Dec 2012 21:12:52 EDT

Ian posted :

said by Wolfie00:

I don't think RIM has much of a future, sad to say, and what killed it was not the lack of great products, but the typical hubris that affects many companies that have become very successful very fast.

Actually, I think their biggest problem was complacency. They made slightly shinier versions of the same products that businesses had loved (for a while) due to Enterprise friendly features like their e-mail and full keyboards. They got caught flat-footed. They assumed (incorrectly) that they could hang onto the corporate market. But as more and more people started having personal cell-phones as well....

Their other big problems were absolutely terrible management, and an awful business reputation.

A few examples;

The keypads were made by a process called in-mold-decorating. This involved screen-printing ink on the backside of Polycarbonate, vacuum-forming the sheet to form the keys, then inserting that into a mold to inject polycarbonate resin behind. At the time, this was high tech. The inks had to withstand the heat of vacuum forming as well as the hot resin without discolouring or flaking off.

A Mississauga company worked closely with RIM to develop the inks, and processes to do this, in-bulk. They had the business and had to ramp up to between 2 and 3 full shifts to meet the demand.

Quietly, RIM engineers were transferring the technology to a Chinese company. Overnight the orders to the Mississauga company went to zero. No warning, no ramp-down, no % of the business to maintain a relationship. Just, flat-out, screwed them over. Nearly destroyed that company. People talk. And RIM had a notorious reputation as being colossal assholes to deal with.

They would also heavily use Temp Labour in Waterloo. After 2 or 3 years of no benefits, they might get hired on as a RIM employee. When they were, as a giant insult, an HR lady would give these "new" employees a Plant Tour. :uhh:
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Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Sat, 22 Dec 2012 20:46:14 EDT

Gone posted :

said by urbanriot:

I'm also going to call computers "hard drives"

You asshole. :D

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Sat, 22 Dec 2012 20:01:00 EDT

Wolfie00 posted : I don't think RIM has much of a future, sad to say, and what killed it was not the lack of great products, but the typical hubris that affects many companies that have become very successful very fast. Even their venture into the tablet market was evidence of all of that -- they produced a great product, but they thought they could keep a closed platform like Apple, and priced it outrageously high as if it was going to be the definitive iPad killer without even a price advantage. Not to mention releasing it before the OS was really ready. If the Playbook had had the features it has today, and priced the way it is today, it would have taken the market by storm. Now of course it's too late, as it is for RIM.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Sat, 22 Dec 2012 19:22:12 EDT

Ian posted : Until iFanBoi Corp starts paying me marketing fees to "properly" use their brand names, I'm going to call them and any of their products by whatever name I choose. :)

In any case RIMM was down almost 24% on the day based on this earnings announcement. When people dug into the fine print they realized that they only made their numbers with a favourable tax ruling. Also handset unit sales continue to plummet, as do the already pitiful playbook numbers. Why they haven't wised-up and cancelled all future Playbook production or development is beyond me. They can not, and will not compete in the tablet market. At least not with their proprietary OS that nobody seems willing to support with any software.

The biggest problem I see long-term for RIM is that, however good or not BB10 turns out to be, BB11 is already fucked. The only way the company stayed alive was by annihilating their global workforce. They already had enormous problems releasing a product on time with the people they had.

But I think most assume RIM will be a division of a larger company in the near to medium future. They are likely wanting to leverage any success of BB10 to make that fire-sale price a bit higher.
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Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:30:12 EDT

urbanriot posted : I'm going to start calling Corollas, Camrys, Prius', "Toyotas" from now on. I'm also going to call computers "hard drives" and it's built by "LG" cause that's the name on my monitor.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Sat, 22 Dec 2012 09:52:08 EDT

Gone posted :

said by Guspaz:

I grew up with the things, lots of people called the mac an Apple.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Sat, 22 Dec 2012 04:52:05 EDT

Guspaz posted :

said by Gone:

said by Guspaz:

It's perfectly fine to call an Apple Macintosh an Apple, because it is; it's an Apple computer.

No, an "Apple computer" is a the name of a line of long-discontinued computers, the last of which was the Apple IIgs that was discontinued in 1992. The computer product sold now is called Macintosh, shortened to Mac.

Do you call your iPad or your iPhone an "Apple" ?

Toyota Camry can be called "a Toyota". Apple Macintosh can be called "an Apple".

You can call an iPad "The Apple iPad", or "the Apple tablet". You could call it "the Apple" only in the context of tablets, since that name would, out of context, be normally assumed to belong to their computers (which have been called an "apple" for much longer).

I grew up with the things, lots of people called the mac an Apple.
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Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Sat, 22 Dec 2012 00:42:26 EDT

zirG posted :

said by komal:

said by zirG:

RIM's stock price has doubled since September. Nice return in 3 months. No, I didn't. But I though about it.

Uh, thats a pretty skewed way of looking at things.

You could also say that RIM lost more than half its share value from January to September.

People who had RIM at the beginning of the year have lost money.

The only thing its done in 2012 is go down and up like crazy. Overall its not too far from where it started the year, its about $2 down so far. That is a piss poor return.

Not really. It's all about timing. When things looked bleak in September, anyone who took a risk (thinking RIM would pull through) would have been handsomely rewarded. Like I said, I did think about it but I didn't have the stomach for it.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 23:33:49 EDT

Warez_Zealot posted : Exactly. :p The stock market is a casino basically.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 23:03:09 EDT

Gone posted : If you didn't know that your own company was being bought out... well... haha, what else is there to say?

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 22:25:38 EDT

Warez_Zealot posted :

said by komal:

Wanted to add that RIM shares are down 20% today.

1 day.

LOL, yeah. The funny thing is that I sold my companies shares yesterday to buy RIM, and they were just bought out today!!! (WTF!!!) I basically lost out in a 30% jump in share price, and RIM is down!!!! lol Luckily it wasn't much money, but I have to laugh.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:08:30 EDT

Gone posted :

said by Guspaz:

It's perfectly fine to call an Apple Macintosh an Apple, because it is; it's an Apple computer.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:06:58 EDT

CanadianRip posted :

said by komal:

When discussing Android, fragmentation refers to software and not hardware, because after all, Android is software, not hardware.

It refers to both. The exact same thing happened in the PC era with vendors putting skins over-top of DOS and Windows.

Android is a base OS with a set of utilities on top of it, no different then Windows was. In the mobile world those base utilities have morphed to fit the implementation metaphor - nothing more nothing less.

I recall these exact same discussions occurring among peers in the days of OS/2 Warp. At the time I was in the banking industry and everyone in it thought that Warp was going to be the ways thing went due to its superior architectural design. In fact it had everything going for it - well except for the fact that there wasn't critical mass.

In the end we ended up with Windows and its fragmentation. There was driver issues, and absurd skins including Microsoft's own "Bob" product which I think they've effectively written out of the history books.

What endured is that it was open enough to get done what you had to. Whatever your single purpose was, with all the different "fragments" of Windows hardware and software you could find a suitable fit for your particular use case.

That fragmentation led to competition, innovation, and some products ranging from fantastic to abysmal. This is a good thing, because seriously I was bored at IPhone 3. I don't know if I could take IPhone 8, there's only so much of rehashing the same thing for $ 700 one can stomach.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:04:19 EDT

dirtyjeffer posted :

said by komal:

I hope you're joking when you say that, because stock price doesn't indicate value of a company, market cap does.

If thats how you compare companies, you're going to lose a lot of money...

i realize that...so lets use market cap...RIM's market cap is just over $5 Billion...Apple's is just under $500 Billion.
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Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:19:56 EDT

Guspaz posted : It's perfectly fine to call an Apple Macintosh an Apple, because it is; it's an Apple computer. This is the same as calling your Camry a Toyota. That sort of thing is common.

Calling the company Mac, though, is just bizarre and wrong. You don't say "The Hilux company makes good cars", because that's just confusingly wrong.
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Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:11:21 EDT

fast4ward posted :

said by Gone:

said by urbanriot:

I'm guilty of that... although to be fair to myself, I realize I'm stupid and make a correction immediately thereafter.

I can tolerate calling the computers Apple far more than I can calling the company Mac, which happens far more than people would ever think it does.

let me test for understanding. Is it okay to call my powermac g5 a mac? And it's not okay to call my ipod a mac?

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 19:25:17 EDT

Gone posted :

said by urbanriot:

I'm guilty of that... although to be fair to myself, I realize I'm stupid and make a correction immediately thereafter.

I can tolerate calling the computers Apple far more than I can calling the company Mac, which happens far more than people would ever think it does.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 19:22:54 EDT

urbanriot posted :

said by Gone:

Haha, like the way people annoyingly use Mac and Apple interchangeably, no doubt.

I'm guilty of that... although to be fair to myself, I realize I'm stupid and make a correction immediately thereafter.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 19:06:59 EDT

kingb71 posted : RIMM Selloff: Justified?
»market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=215184

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:19:07 EDT

Guspaz posted : To be fair to those people, Samsung is the only relevant manufacturer of Android handsets anyhow. After all they're the only one making any money doing it (assuming the 99% of profit in smartphone market being made by Apple and Samsung thing is still true). I guess you could argue that LG is going to get some relevance for the Nexus 4.
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Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:03:56 EDT

Gone posted :

said by urbanriot:

Samsung, for example, has different menu options on the same exact release version between different phones and tablets, so you can't write a procedural enterprise document to guide users to complete the same tasks they can easily complete with their iPhone's or Blackberrys.

That's because Samsung has their own version of TouchWiz as a home screen replacement app. In an enterprise environment you could install the default Android OS launcher and then find a way to lock it down if it really became that big of an issue. When there's a will, there's a way.

said by urbanriot:

I'm also starting to hear regular user's using "Android" and "Samsung" interchangeably.

Haha, like the way people annoyingly use Mac and Apple interchangeably, no doubt.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:44:36 EDT

urbanriot posted :

said by komal:

Fragmentation is a problem because of the jump in features available with Android 4.0. Developers wanting to incorporate those features ended up making apps incompatible with older versions of Android, the still popular and present Gingerbread (2.3).

Even with same release version the same manufacturer of various devices does not offer a consistent experience.

Samsung, for example, has different menu options on the same exact release version between different phones and tablets, so you can't write a procedural enterprise document to guide users to complete the same tasks they can easily complete with their iPhone's or Blackberrys.

It's bad enough every manufacturer can do things differently but the same manufacturer's aren't consistent. An annoyance for documentation.

I'm also starting to hear regular user's using "Android" and "Samsung" interchangeably.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:27:04 EDT

komal posted :

said by CanadianRip:

said by Guspaz:

The iPad Mini is selling like gangbusters, stealing back a lot of lost marketshare for Apple. I think their general lack of software innovation is going to hurt them in the mid-term if not addressed soon, but I don't think the iPad Mini has anything to do with that.

The problem here is innovating as one, versus an entire giant group of people. Everyone yaks about "Fragmentation" like it's a bad thing.
Flip the word to diversity; which means the same thing. Now you realize it's actually an advantage. If you allow innovators to do what they want with minimal disruption and intervention - that's a good thing.

This is why the PC dominated for decades - it was the easiest platform to get done what you wanted! Want to build an Air Traffic Control system, no problem you're free to do with the hardware/software as you please.

Can't say the same about any platform other then Android at the moment.

When discussing Android, fragmentation refers to software and not hardware, because after all, Android is software, not hardware.

The PC was about having hardware for which anybody could write the software. It could run Linux, Unix, Windows etc.

Android devices run Android. End of story.

Fragmentation is a problem because of the jump in features available with Android 4.0. Developers wanting to incorporate those features ended up making apps incompatible with older versions of Android, the still popular and present Gingerbread (2.3).

It is similar to the problem Microsoft had with IE 6. People were too reluctant or slow to switch and that made developing web apps more difficult.

Similarly, people developing apps for ICS aren't able to sell those apps to Gingerbread users unless they go to lengths to make them compatible or have a different version.

That means Android developers can't make 1 app and sell to everybody. Gingerbread still has significant market share.

iPhone devs on the other hand can easily develop 1 application and sell to all iPhone users except for those whose handsets are outdated and no longer get updates, but by that point those users will be able to upgrade as their contracts expire.

That means developers have an incentive to develop for iPhone over Android.

This isn't such an issue now because most phones released over the past couple of years have been released with ICS or upgraded to ICS, but the next time there is a big update and new features, this fragmentation will become a huge issue all over again.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:19:46 EDT

komal posted : Wanted to add that RIM shares are down 20% today.

1 day.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:46:12 EDT

CanadianRip posted :

said by Guspaz:

The variable resolution means that developers of regular applications can't count on pixel-accurate positioning, for one thing. It's true that things like GPU performance and amount of RAM aren't nearly as relevant for a non-intensive app.

Yes but there's ways to work around pixel-accurate displays for the majority of applications. There's almost always a component that can consigned to the realm of variability in display. Whether its a view, listbox, or whatever object. It's more work, but you can target 90+% of the displays with minimal artwork and effort.

Think of what a web-developer faces, the challenge in comparison is fairly pale.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:23:05 EDT

Guspaz posted : The variable resolution means that developers of regular applications can't count on pixel-accurate positioning, for one thing. It's true that things like GPU performance and amount of RAM aren't nearly as relevant for a non-intensive app.
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Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:50:59 EDT

CanadianRip posted :

said by Guspaz:

I think Android's fragmentation hurts it in many ways, in terms of difficulty of development and quality of software, but that in the end the increased sales outweigh the decreased quality.

Yes and no.

Developers, unless taxing the extreme ends of the platform can get done straight forward applications. Now if you want to make something that takes advantage of the extremes of a GPU for example, you're absolutely correct - you're going to have development issues.

This means if you develop for bleeding edge, it may in fact be a while before you see people catch up. In fact we see this in the PC market today, and developers tend to target the middle (sometimes lowest end) of the platform to ensure a wide audience.

All this means is that the software coming out needs to aim for the "fat middle" of the platform. The feature set that most represents the wider audience. With the increased API of 3.2, once 3.2 is average user I think Android development concerns largely are put to rest.

I don't know where they are in terms of 3.2 being the majority, but the API is diverse enough at that point that it's not really a limiting issue.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:41:43 EDT

Guspaz posted : I think Android's fragmentation hurts it in many ways, in terms of difficulty of development and quality of software, but that in the end the increased sales outweigh the decreased quality.

Microsoft is trying to take a middle road. They're going with many different vendors for the hardware, like Android, but they're also minimizing fragmentation by setting strict restrictions on device capabilities. They must have this resolution, they must have that much RAM, this many CPU cores, etc. I think this approach is doomed, because while it does get some of the advantages of the Android approach, it has many of the disadvantages of the Apple approach, and it makes it impossible for your hardware vendors to differentiate their products; with the hardware specs all defined by Microsoft, different Windows phones are mostly just different chassis around the same product.
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Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:59:15 EDT

CanadianRip posted :

said by Guspaz:

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:55:56 EDT

CanadianRip posted :

said by Robrr:

Your the guy who is all about "the market" so what do you have to say about the fact that as Apple share prices continue to slide while RIM share prices continue to rise to the point where it is almost a mirror image.

»www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-2···nes.html

I've always maintained that Apple would lose out over Android due to it's closed nature. I was correct about that as well.

More importantly market-share is the important indicator. Once the market picks a clear winner, developers are going to be very hard pressed to invest millions of dollars investing on a platform that may no exist tomorrow.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 03:36:32 EDT

komal posted :

said by zirG:

RIM's stock price has doubled since September. Nice return in 3 months. No, I didn't. But I though about it.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 03:34:27 EDT

komal posted :

said by dirtyjeffer:

said by Robrr:

ummm, last i checked, Apple was worth about $550 and Rim is $15.

I hope you're joking when you say that, because stock price doesn't indicate value of a company, market cap does.

If thats how you compare companies, you're going to lose a lot of money...

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 00:39:10 EDT

Guspaz posted : The iPad Mini is selling like gangbusters, stealing back a lot of lost marketshare for Apple. I think their general lack of software innovation is going to hurt them in the mid-term if not addressed soon, but I don't think the iPad Mini has anything to do with that.
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Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:50:27 EDT

BonezX posted :

said by Robrr:

Whats your point?

RIM is up with for good reason. Apple is down and no one can explain why.

i can, lack of actual product advancement.

the Ipad mini is going to tank their stock for the next little while, as well as snuffing their client base with the release of a NEW ipad while the other one hasn't been on the market that long.

simple enough formula, you release slightly better hardware every year at the same "premium" price, your going to keep dropping people off the wagon, especially when your competitors are releasing hardware at multiple price points covering a broader market.

i still wonder how the hell apple is viewed as the "creators" equipment when it has such a short lifespan vs traditional hardware.

also, some of it might be backlash over the whole patent thing.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:41:14 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by CanadianRip:

Hey I have some friends claiming the Amiga will make its comeback any day now.

Is there a support group all these people can join?

Yes, but it will cost them $250 per hour. :p

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:38:29 EDT

zirG posted : RIM's stock price has doubled since September. Nice return in 3 months. No, I didn't. But I though about it.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:29:45 EDT

Warez_Zealot posted :

said by dirtyjeffer:

meh...stocks are rarely about true value and more about "playing the market"...as well, it is often more about "perceived value".

Yep, especially with those lame trading algorithms. I ended up buying around 1k worth at $13.77... See what happens. I once read that current share value of most companies are about 40% inflated of their actual worth, which I highly agree with for most companies today.
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Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:20:23 EDT

dirtyjeffer posted : meh...stocks are rarely about true value and more about "playing the market"...as well, it is often more about "perceived value".

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:08:47 EDT

Robrr posted :

said by dirtyjeffer:

said by Robrr:

ummm, last i checked, Apple was worth about $550 and Rim is $15.

Whats your point?

RIM is up with for good reason. Apple is down and no one can explain why.

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:05:03 EDT

dirtyjeffer posted :

said by Robrr:

ummm, last i checked, Apple was worth about $550 and Rim is $15.
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People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

- George Orwell

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:01:12 EDT

Robrr posted : Your the guy who is all about "the market" so what do you have to say about the fact that as Apple share prices continue to slide while RIM share prices continue to rise to the point where it is almost a mirror image.

»www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-2···nes.html

Re: RIM Earnings Out, Stock Surges

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:48:13 EDT

CanadianRip posted : Hey I have some friends claiming the Amiga will make its comeback any day now.

Is there a support group all these people can join?