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reply to nanook

Re: A Letter to TekSavvy from the Customers

said by nanook:

said by kovy:

What happens when the car is stolen ?

You report it to the police and insurance.

If your car was unlocked and keys in the ignition then your insurance company won't pay up and the police probably won't spend too much time looking for it. If your car was locked you stand a better chance of getting help from both.

Further, IANAL but I suspect that if your stolen car is involved in an accident then the victims are more likely to sue if the car was unlocked and keys in the ignition. In that situation the insurance company will also try to disclaim liability.

Your point?

P.S. I acknowledge that analogies usually aren't perfect, especially when extrapolated.

reply to elitefx

reply to ISpeakForYou
Imagine your a teacher. Lets say you have a "troublesome" student in one of your classes. Lets say you fail this particular student, or give this student a detention, or some form of punishment w/e. Lets say this student decides to get revenge on you. You may wake up the next day and find your house has been egged, or toilet papered....ha, ha..an inconvienance yes, but no real harm done..However, lets say this student really wants to get some serious revenge in. What's stopping said student from sneaking into your yard at night with a laptop and connecting to your wifi (secured or not, gaining access is apparently fairly simple). What's stopping this person from downloading something incriminating through your wifi, say a voltage pictures production, or worse.

Please stop and consider the ramifications.

Now, you can replace "teacher" with "retail outlet worker", and student with "disgruntled customer", etc, etc, etc.

This is actually quite scary..To repeat what so many others have stated so many times here, the issue is not whether you "infringed" anything, but how voltage is targeting Canadians. Many innocent people will get scooped up in this trolling expedition. It could literally cost innocent people thousands of dollars to prove their innocence. In some cases this could bankrupt individuals, or at the least cause serious financial strain.

reply to ISpeakForYou
It'll probably take somebody spoofing a bunch of Federal Court judges and all the Federal cabinet ministers home IP addresses and catching them all in a kiddie porn crackdown before anything meaningful in terms of driving through the understanding that an IP address does not equal a person.

reply to Tx
That's the scary thing. So many of the vocal people have the thinking those who are complaining are guilty and on top of that they seem to lack knowledge in IT and how networking/internet works.

These people needs to be educated or taught a thing or 2. My neighbor wifi' is unprotected and if I'm so inclined I can use theirs and get them in trouble but I'm not like that.

This article provide an interesting read on ISPs that protested the request by copyright trolls and set precedents after having won appeal and why TSI should follow suit. Because you know the outcome of it all will affect all ISP in Canada as this being the first mass lawsuit that I'm aware of on copyrights.

»www.techdirt.com/articles/201212···ll.shtml

As the first comment by one of the user "A bunch of those tech savvy users on slashdot pointed out that TekSavvy was a good one to be with for Canada. If they are looking to destroy the good image they have with the techies, this would easily do it in a single move (or failure to move as it is)."

He couldn't have said it better.

TSI, make note. We're all reading and watching your actions all over the countries, not just Canada.

reply to dad_of_3

reply to cynic10
No matter how this particular case turns out, it won't be good for Canada and Canadians.

a) Voltage wins - hundreds of thousands of Canadians get extortion letters.

b) Voltage loses - Voltage gets USTR & Congress to sanction Canada until ALL Canadian copyright legislation is exactly what the US wants it to be - including criminal penalties for even the most minor infraction.

Game, set, match to Voltage & US interests.

Surprised to see a forum warning on posting in the Tekksaavy area!

Maynard, I think b) is overstepping the reality of things, Voltage isn't Paramount pictures and I highly doubt they'll even be a blip on the radar in US Congress during this period in history.

reply to A Lurker

One more thing compare this car VS IP thing.

If someone spoof your IP or your ISP miss assign or log your IP address to someone else, you have no ways to knowing that.

If someone stolen your car, most likely you will know that right away and report to authority, then you will be off the hook.

Unless ISP or Router providers find a way to detect someone is spoofing your IP address, ISP can log your IP address 99.99% correct, I doubt some law will pass base on that.

In addition, red light camera is a civil matter, which is the same as non-commercial infringement, that's why there is a reasonable fine, I won't take my family member over a $200 fine. If someone in the house take my car and start selling drug in it, then you bet I will take them to court.

I think high voltage is seeking commercial infringement I believe commercial infringement/counterfeiter is an criminal matter which you can go to jail for. if you they are seeking that, then they need to provide proof beyond reasonable doubt. Either way, good luck with them.

After reading this article from a link posted above:

»www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/07/13/···dex.html

There was this tidbit of info:

"In the data surrounding the threatening traffic, they found traffic containing "the perpetrator's" name and "ISP" account.

IMHO the IP spoofing/wifi theft excuses won't work.

About 5 years ago it was reported in the media that Microsoft developed and provided proprietary software to law enforcement across North America that tracks down cyber criminals/illegal traffic to a specific computer terminal beyond a shadow of doubt.

If Voltage has aquired a copy of this software or has developed their own then this would be a game changer.

You would literally need to prove it wasn't you at your computer at the time of the alleged offense. You would also have to testify as to who was using your computer, in your dwelling, to download the offending material. You would literally be convicting a loved one or friend to get yourself off the hook.

The above scenario is speculation BUT the Microsoft proprietary software exists and is in use today.

Uh, we know how they acquired these IP's, and it wasn't sophisticated. Voltage isn't law enforcement, Microsoft isn't going to just give them software so they can become more profitable which is why its was collected the way it was.