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Re: Massive Stakes for Online Privacy in Teksavvy Vs Voltage I've done a follow up post to this. There are links and embedded video, so rather than making the entire post a forum post, I'm just going to link it out here.
Anybody interested in reading my Massive Stakes for Online Privacy in Teksavvy Vs Voltage Court Case PT. 2 can find it here:
»jkoblovsky.wordpress.com/2012/12···se-pt-2/
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| said by jkoblovsky:I've done a follow up post to this. There are links and embedded video, so rather than making the entire post a forum post, I'm just going to link it out here.
Anybody interested in reading my Massive Stakes for Online Privacy in Teksavvy Vs Voltage Court Case PT. 2 can find it here:
»jkoblovsky.wordpress.com/2012/12···se-pt-2/
Very interesting article.
What we as consumers need to do is be proactive with our money to change the providers model. We need to make privacy the third leg of the sales issues so as to force providers to take it seriously. How many gigs per month? How reliable? How much protection? Market will then reward the boldest and the most pro-active.
I'm concerned that this is not a fight about revenue loss of copyright holders as much as it may be a profitable business model for third hand rights holder and under-employed lawyers. |
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| said by Very interesting article.
What we as consumers need to do is be proactive with our money to change the providers model. We need to make privacy the third leg of the sales issues so as to force providers to take it seriously. How many gigs per month? How reliable? How much protection? Market will then reward the boldest and the most pro-active.
I'm concerned that this is not a fight about revenue loss of copyright holders as much as it may be a profitable business model for third hand rights holder and under-employed lawyers.
[/BQUOTE :That's an interesting way to do it. I believe ISPs should add another service to their setup, like $75 to $100 per month for legal services so that they can fight these types of IP fishing scams (other similar)for their users that pay into it.
let's face it, the current pricing doesn't work out to having any funds to have lawyers "on-tap" to do any kind of valid work. 60% to 70% of the current IISP prices go to the incumbents, so that won't be enough. |
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That's an interesting way to do it. I believe ISPs should add another service to their setup, like $75 to $100 per month for legal services so that they can fight these types of IP fishing scams (other similar)for their users that pay into it.
let's face it, the current pricing doesn't work out to having any funds to have lawyers "on-tap" to do any kind of valid work. 60% to 70% of the current IISP prices go to the incumbents, so that won't be enough.
[/BQUOTE :$75 or $100 A MONTH? If TSI has 100,000 customers, that would be $120 million a year. LOL!
How about 1 dollar per month and that would be a more reasonable $1.2 million a year. And then charge $200 per disclosure added to the fund. Not much of a trolling business model to pay for a service that in itself pays for legal fees against it. |
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Looking at what they have made. The only thing I ever watched is the documentary Who Killed the Electric Car! when it was on TV. Must have something to do with The Magic of Belle Isle, staring Morgan Freeman, and low box office numbers. |
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Openmedia.ca supporting my last post on this:
»openmedia.ca/blog/massive-stakes···age-case |
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I find it pretty odd that no one mentions the government that enacted this legislation in all this teeth gnashing and wringing of hands. That would be the "Business friendly" Conservatives. The opposite of business friendly is most often consumer unfriendly. Which is why we have the telecom mess we have in this country. You voted for them? As they say in Cuba, " Enyoy!" |
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| said by jdoe71:I find it pretty odd that no one mentions the government that enacted this legislation in all this teeth gnashing and wringing of hands. That would be the "Business friendly" Conservatives. The opposite of business friendly is most often consumer unfriendly. Which is why we have the telecom mess we have in this country. You voted for them? As they say in Cuba, " Enyoy!"
Probably because there's a separate forum for Canadian Politics, and thats generally where that sorta stuff should stay..
My only comment however is the following: Harper got less than 40% of the popular vote (39.6%), but still got his majority.
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| said by resa1983:said by jdoe71:I find it pretty odd that no one mentions the government that enacted this legislation in all this teeth gnashing and wringing of hands. That would be the "Business friendly" Conservatives. The opposite of business friendly is most often consumer unfriendly. Which is why we have the telecom mess we have in this country. You voted for them? As they say in Cuba, " Enyoy!"
Probably because there's a separate forum for Canadian Politics, and thats generally where that sorta stuff should stay.. My only comment however is the following: Harper got less than 40% of the popular vote (39.6%), but still got his majority. Right, excellent points, both. And if there wasn't another forum for politics, which I wasn't aware of, I'd be tempted to say the fact you point out is proof of what a dysfunctional political system we have. But since there's another forum I won't say that here. |
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| I don't get why so many people seem to be on TSI's case. The law says that ISPs have to turn over the information if they are ordered to by the court. That is likely what TSI will do. They really dont have any other position to take.
In this day and age people think that everything is free and anything can be shared but in reality that's not how it works. If you are sharing a copyrighted item for others to download you are breaking the law. Almost everyone speeds when driving their vehicle and this is also breaking the law. Of course copyright holders have very rarely gone after folks before but they always can - just like the cops can pull you over for speeding. |
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| said by darrylr:I don't get why so many people seem to be on TSI's case. The law says that ISPs have to turn over the information if they are ordered to by the court. That is likely what TSI will do. They really dont have any other position to take.
In this day and age people think that everything is free and anything can be shared but in reality that's not how it works. If you are sharing a copyrighted item for others to download you are breaking the law. Almost everyone speeds when driving their vehicle and this is also breaking the law. Of course copyright holders have very rarely gone after folks before but they always can - just like the cops can pull you over for speeding.
CIPPIC's going to fight it.
The problem isn't so much paying for the copyrighted material, but the outright extortion these companies pull.... $3-5k for an item worth less than $50 is extreme to me.. And then in the letter essentially saying "settle or face a named suit where we'll go after you for even more."
Especially as if they had've offered it legally, people probably would have bought the movies.. Even if they're crap (like all of Voltage's movies are).
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said by darrylr:I don't get why so many people seem to be on TSI's case. The law says that ISPs have to turn over the information if they are ordered to by the court. That is likely what TSI will do. They really dont have any other position to take.
In this day and age people think that everything is free and anything can be shared but in reality that's not how it works. If you are sharing a copyrighted item for others to download you are breaking the law. Almost everyone speeds when driving their vehicle and this is also breaking the law. Of course copyright holders have very rarely gone after folks before but they always can - just like the cops can pull you over for speeding.
Maybe you should do some more reading then before commenting you don't know why.
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said by darrylr:I don't get why so many people seem to be on TSI's case. The law says that ISPs have to turn over the information if they are ordered to by the court. That is likely what TSI will do. They really dont have any other position to take.
In this day and age people think that everything is free and anything can be shared but in reality that's not how it works. If you are sharing a copyrighted item for others to download you are breaking the law. Almost everyone speeds when driving their vehicle and this is also breaking the law. Of course copyright holders have very rarely gone after folks before but they always can - just like the cops can pull you over for speeding.
The law also says TSI must uphold their contract - which includes a privacy policy - with their customers. Doing so includes fighting a third-party request for information regarding TSI customers, whether in court or otherwise. Only after this has been done does the law says TSI must comply with the request, if ordered by the court. Even then, TSI can appeal, thereby continuing to uphold their contract with their customers.
Bear in mind, the court is not the party that requested the information. The court is only the stage where the request was made. The request was made by a third party, who is not the court, who has yet to prove they have good reason to make the request.
Copyright holders have always gone after folks directly. Proof is Voltage motion to disclose, for the express purpose of going after folks. But why, is the real question? Because Voltage has no hook to go after TSI. If that's true, then why is TSI so willing to give out their customers information, and invoking the excuse that if they don't do that, then Voltage will go after TSI? Voltage can never go after TSI. Ever.
That's why so many people seem to be on TSI's case.
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