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Pollux7777

join:2010-02-16
Saint Paul, MN

Speculation: What does it take to be #1?

Just curious. What do you think it takes to be in a world first raider type guild? What do you think the average player is like?

I have no idea, so I'm completely speculating here. But my "profile" would be a white european male, 18-25 yrs old, lives with parents. Most of them are from europe, right?

I don't mean any of this in a derogatory way. That profile I just came up with is who I imagine having the most free time possible. I'm just curious who these people are and how they live that allows them to do what they do.

How much time do you think a #1 raider plays? 16 hours a day?

Or am I completely off, and they are actually professional players with sponsors?
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Caelharrad

join:2012-04-13
Fenton, MO
said by Pollux7777:

What do you think it takes to be in a world first raider type guild?
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my "profile" would be a white european male, 18-25 yrs old, lives with parents. Most of them are from europe, right?

I disagree completely. The best raid players in WoW are smoking hot females, aged 19-23, who live in palatial mansions in Aruba. Basically they enter the raid instance, and all creatures surrender due to their extreme hotness.
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In all seriousness - WHO GIVES A FLYING CRAP???


Badger3k
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reply to Pollux7777
Aren't most of the #1 Raiders/Guilds all professional gamers? I know Dream Paragon is and I'm pretty sure Method is too.
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Pollux7777

join:2010-02-16
Saint Paul, MN
Ahh so there are professional WoW players? I'm not super familar with E-sports (ugh I hate that term). I know there are some FPS games and StarCraft players who have professional sponsors, but I didn't know that WoW did.

I'm curious what that must be like. How many hours a day do they have to put in, etc. I wonder if once you get to that level if it's even fun anymore, or if it just feels like a job.

Caelharrad, I don't know where the hostility is coming from? I asked a simple question because I was curious what it takes to be among the best of the best. Your response was completely worthless and I dont know why you even bothered typing it.
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Caelharrad

join:2012-04-13
Fenton, MO
said by Pollux7777:

Caelharrad, I don't know where the hostility is coming from? I asked a simple question because I was curious what it takes to be among the best of the best. Your response was completely worthless and I dont know why you even bothered typing it.

For what it's worth, I think your topic is worthless, so we're even. Hostility came from this: you are asking "what it takes to be among the best of the best", or "what it takes to be in a world first raider type guild". Among the factors you list in your answer: race; gender; age; housing status; geographical location. Why do any of those factors have anything to do with success/skill at WoW? I'd list things like hand-eye coordination; high IQ; patience; lots of free time; quick reflexes; etc. One could say that your response would imply that blacks/Latinos are inferior at WoW; that females are inferior at WoW; etc. Are you saying that, or did I misunderstand??
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Let's say I start the following topic: "What does it take to be #1? I want to know what it takes to get admitted to one of the top-10 colleges/universities in the world. What do you think the average successful applicant is like? I have no idea, but I'll speculate: white male from the suburbs, with a family income over $100,000." Would I not deserve to get flamed to hell? Maybe your average Harvard freshman DOES resemble that archetype, but I wouldn't say that those who don't belong to that group are at a disadvantage.
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There's a difference between "what is the average elite raider like", and "what does it take to be an elite raider". Perhaps I'm just confused about the purpose of the topic, and I'm over-reacting.


Pollux7777

join:2010-02-16
Saint Paul, MN
Haha ya, you are over reacting. I think you read a little too much into the question, bud.

Pretty much ALL of those factors have EVERYTHING to do with "success" at wow. The only slightly racist thing that one could possibly mistakenly infer from what I said was the fact that I listed white as one of the possible traits. I listed that for two reasons. Like 80% of the people I know who play WoW are white males, and many of the top guilds are European, which is predominantly white. In no way did I suggest that white people are superior, but for some reason you latched onto that. As far as age, housing status and geographical location, well those all make a big difference in this case. I don't know of any poor Kenyan 8 year olds who are in raiding guilds. Likewise, having great eye-hand reflexes doesnt mean squat if you are a 35 year old famiy man with a mortgage and kids and can only play a couple hours a week.

I guess what my original question was, "who are the elite players, and what kinds of lives do they have that allow them to dedicate their lives to warcraft?"
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Pollux7777

join:2010-02-16
Saint Paul, MN
Follow up: I'm also curious about the very best guilds recruiting practices. I imagine they recruite worldwide. So does that mean that exceptional american players get recruited into the top european guilds and vice versa? If so, does the latency affect their performance? Or do guilds pretty much stick to their global area (ie Asian guilds stick together, European guilds together, etc)
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reply to Pollux7777
From what I've gathered about the World First type guilds, the individual players appear to have the following:

•Extreme, Borderline Psychotic, Dedication.
•Professional Sponsorship or Financially Comfortable.
•Cutting Edge Computer System.
•Stable Broadband Connectivity.
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stonhinge
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join:2003-07-28
Topeka, KS
you left out "willing to raid for 5-6+ hours every day. On live and PTR. With alts, as well. Knowing more than one class and role well probably helps too.

Just knowing the basics of multiple classes/roles is a recommendation for anyone who raids. Knowing what others can do is sometimes a godsend. (You'd be amazed at how many times I get told, "Monks can res people? I didn't know that!") Plus, knowing other classes can sometimes help, especially if you've got a newer player in your group. LFR doesn't exactly promote knowing your rotation/priority, and stepping up to "real" raids (be it 10 or 25 man) requires one to do their best. Perhaps a bit more so with 10.

Anything that'll get random pally #5468 who is at least nice enough to buff me in passing, but I can cast the equivalent of kings on myself, give me might for goodness' sake.
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nokken

join:2001-02-07
Memphis, TN
reply to Pollux7777
When I was active, I played in a guild that was #1 on the server and typically around ~100 US.

4 hours a night / 4 nights a week.

Some of our members went on to join other guilds such as Premonition and Blood Legion. These members all had 4+ alts, and were on non-stop.

In my experience, most of the hardcore raiders I've raided with were unemployed or college students.
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Cptbeatstix

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reply to Pollux7777
Most of those elite guilds require a lot of raiding experience. You would eventually have to have Heroic content clearing and most of the time that requires your guild to be the #1 and server firsting everything. So if you plan on attempting to get in with those guilds, be sure you have close to full Current heroic gear and also have some server first heroic kills under your belt. They're usually always recruiting for alt/secondary/third raid teams. You have to be willing to play whatever they want you to play and prepare to live on that game.

Criticals

join:2010-05-30
reply to Pollux7777
The main difference from "pro" raiders to average raiders is availability and accountability. Pro raiders dont miss for holidays, they dont call in sick unless they are well known. They not only know how to perform like no other but they are dedicated. Thats the keyword. People doing this game for a hobby are doing it for just that.

Its akin to people who bowl in a casual league one night a week in comparison to hardcore bowlers who are constantly trying to hit 300 (perfect game). Its not really player skill that separates those players from even the most seasoned casuals, its dedication.


Goldheart

join:2002-06-09
Ballston Spa, NY
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reply to Pollux7777
I know good PvP players can be sponsored. We had one such player in the guild I am in on Echo Isles.

Yeah I imagine people who are in a position to play for extended hours on a daily basis would be best suited for top raiding. And who can play without interruption. That counts out most folk in my opinion. Especially older family persons like me.

Criticals

join:2010-05-30
said by Goldheart:

I know good PvP players can be sponsored. We had one such player in the guild I am in on Echo Isles.

Yeah I imagine people who are in a position to play for extended hours on a daily basis would be best suited for top raiding. And who can play without interruption. That counts out most folk in my opinion. Especially older family persons like me.

See this is one major misconception of hardcore wow players. They do not play all day everyday. Some of the streamers do. Of course during there progression cycle they play sometimes 20 hours a day. During the farm period though I would go so far to say most professional players are rarely on more than their raid times and what ever daily's they have to do. Also a good thing to mention is that when they raid it is all business. I mean they joke around a lot and play little games but when it comes to performance most professional guilds don't waste time clearing content so that they can speed to the progression. Therefore, farm raiding is much much faster which makes up the majority of your play time post progression.


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You say he is wrong with his generalizations then you make some of your own. The reason why the 'farm raiding' is so fast is because of the massive loads of hours they spent already learning, gearing and preparing for all of the fights.

All you need to do is look at the time/dates when these world first guilds are recording their kills. World first guilds are doing them during the day on the day of release, when '9 to 5'ers' are at work.

Most 'hardcore' guilds are 12-20+ a week now. It is about dedication and choosing how much time you want to put in the game. I for one, am more than happy at a slower pace but at a casual 9 hours / week. There are other guilds out there that do it better, but I have fun with my time.
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Criticals

join:2010-05-30
You sir. Are taking what i said out of context. If you look closely I do say during progression they play much more. My point is that the average farm day they dont spent as much time dedicated to raiding. Take a look at their Logs. You can see because of their massive DPS their raids generally dont last very long until they get to a boss that is considered progression.

With some guilds you have people going AFK and multiple breaks taking place that slow the night down. Some hardcore guilds have so many people standing by that they kick you when you go AFK or if you have to step out they step someone else in and you are not always guaranteed your spot back unless you are a core member.

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reply to Pollux7777
"Professional Raiders" Pretty much means people who devote every non working and non sleeping hour to WoW. If they even have real jobs at all. In some cases the biggest news makers are paid to play games. Most of these professional raider guilds are likely part of a bigger sponsored clan that covers other games at the pro level, Most likely the primary funding is from their Starcraft 2 branches.
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Snuffbox
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reply to Pollux7777
Time.


Suniojii

join:2009-10-31
Lakeside, CA
reply to Pollux7777
Dunno about what it takes these days, but a guild I was in back in vanilla got world first Nefarian. They played a lot more than I did, but I would only say around 4-6 hours a day. Most of that time was spent pvping at tarren mill and collecting mats for flasks. Most everyone either lived off credit cards, waited tables, lived at home, or collected welfare. Nothing exciting to say the least.


I AM
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reply to Snuffbox
said by Snuffbox:

Time.

That is all.


Mike
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reply to Pollux7777
Problem is the Europeans suck. Thus they need 16 hours a day 7 days a week the kill things.

You need a good solid group, chain of command, logistics support, and a desire to win.
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