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emk

join:2010-03-12
San Diego, CA

[CA] Which modem to get?

Which modem should i get to replace my SB6120?

And will my current modem work on the Ultimate plan?
I am currently on premier, and looking to upgrade.


davidhoffman
Premium
join:2009-11-19
Warner Robins, GA
kudos:2

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SB6141, »www.motorola.com/staticfiles/Vid···S-EN.pdf or SB6180 »www.motorola.com/staticfiles/Vid···heet.pdf

8 channel downstream bonding.

If you cannot find the modem than you might consider the gateway SBG6580 »www.motorola.com/staticfiles/Vid···_New.pdf

Your current modem will work on Ultimate, but may not extract the maximum performance at all times, under all channel availability conditions. If COX decides to make 8 channel bonding the normal condition for downstream, your 4 channel bonding capable existing modem will not be able to take advantage of that.


geowil

join:2008-04-20
Laveen, AZ
reply to emk

If your area has DOCSIS 3 & you want to go with the Ult package get the 6141.


emk

join:2010-03-12
San Diego, CA
reply to emk

so between the SB6180 and DPC3010, the motorola is the better choice?



skeechan
Ai Otsukaholic
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join:2012-01-26
AA169|170
kudos:2
reply to emk

I run an SB6180 on Ultimate, no problems.


davidhoffman
Premium
join:2009-11-19
Warner Robins, GA
kudos:2
reply to emk

If you are really into the minute details of how the modem is functioning, I have read the Motorola's are better at accommodating that need. The people who I know own Cisco DPC3010s are perfectly happy with the performance. They tend to just want the thing to work reliably and it does seemingly do that.


emk

join:2010-03-12
San Diego, CA
reply to emk

I will probably end up getting the DPC3010 after I upgrade to ultimate


Beezel

join:2008-12-15
Las Vegas, NV
reply to emk

Only downfall for the Cisco is you can't see the modem logs, Cox locks them out by firmware. Motorola will let you see the modem logs in better detail. Other than that they are pretty much equal.


emk

join:2010-03-12
San Diego, CA
reply to emk

The SB6180 are hard to find new. SB6141 are easier to find. How do they compare?



Iceman0803

join:2012-05-18
Glendale, AZ

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said by emk:

The SB6180 are hard to find new. SB6141 are easier to find. How do they compare?

If I remember correctly the 6141 has built in wireless functionality whereas the 6180 is a modem only. Other than that there is no difference between the two.

I use a 6180 myself and I love it. However, I only have it because I was lucky enough to get one from a Cox tech as a replacement to a dying modem. They are difficult to get through normal retail channels. But, you MAY be able to buy one from a Cox store in your area for ~$80-$90.

EDIT: The SBG6580 is the one I was thinking of with wireless. The difference between the 6141 and 6180:

"The main difference between the SB6141 and the SB6180 is the chipset.
The SB6141 is an Intel based chip, and the SB6180 is a Broadcom based chip.
The Intel based 6141 has a separate tuner (well, two of them actually) that allow for a wider spread of tuning (2 sets of 96Mhz continuous bandwidth spacing) compared to the integrated Broadcom tuner that allows for 2 sets of 32Mhz spacing.
This means that the SB6141 can bond to channels that are further apart than the SB6180." Info taken from this post.


SrsBsns

join:2001-08-30
Oklahoma City, OK

2 edits
reply to emk

If you want a modem only I have had great luck with the Zoom 5341J. You can also see the modem logs.

Its an 8/4 modem.

Edit: I wanted to comment on the DPC3010. Ive had both and I noticed the speeds kind of have this ramp up effect before they hit max. its as if has a slower processor. Its only slight but its there. You also cant view your modem logs with the DPC3010.

Edit2: Just noticed Doc-sis 2.0 modems are only allowed for starter and essential packages now from the supported modems page.

Supported Cox Modems as of December 5th 2012:
»ww2.cox.com/residential/neworlea···00000000


m8trix

join:2003-12-24
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4
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reply to emk

the 6141 is not a gateway and has no wireless but does have a built in moca filter

»www.motorola.com/Video-Solutions···41-US-EN

Features
•Compatible with Windows®, Macintosh®, and UNIX® computers
•DOCSIS 3.0 Compatible, featuring:•Channel bonding of up to eight downstream channels and four upstream channels increasing data rates of over 300 Mbps for received data and over 100 Mbps when sending data
•Supports IPv4 and IPv6 to expand network addressing capabilities
•Enhanced security: supports AES traffic encryption
•Enhanced network management
•Ability to provision and manage IP multicast
•GigE (RJ-45) data port with Auto Negotiate and Auto MDIX
•User-friendly online diagnostics
•Optional Mid-Split support for cable plants that can utilize the advantages of a 5-85 MHz upstream spectrum
•The SB6141 includes an internal filter to eliminate potential interference from MoCA signals’ intermodulation beats
•Optional USB Device Port available

General Specifications
Cable Interface 75 F-connector
CPE Network Interface 10/100/1000Base-T Ethernet (RJ-45)
Data Protocol TCP/IP
Dimensions 5.24 in H x 5.24 in W x 1.65 in D
(133 mm x 133 mm x 42 mm)
Power 9W (nominal)
Input Power
North America 105 to 125 VAC, 60 Hz
Outside North America 100 to 240 VAC, 50 to 60 Hz
Environmental
Operating Temperature 32 F to 104 °F (0 °C to 40 °C)
Storage Temperature –22 °F to 158 °F (–30 °C to 70 °C)
Operating Humidity 5 to 95% R.H. (non-condensing)
Downstream
Modulation 64 or 256 QAM
Capture Bandwidth Dual 96 MHz Capture windows
Maximum Theoretical Data Rate**
DOCSIS 343.072 Mbps (8 channels) / 42.884 (single channel)
@ 256 QAM at 5.36 Msym/s
EuroDOCSIS 444.928 Mbps (8 channels) / 55.616 (single channel)
@ 256 QAM at 6.952 Msym/s
Bandwidth
DOCSIS 48 MHz
EuroDOCSIS 64 MHz
Symbol Rate
DOCSIS 64 QAM 5.057 Msym/s; 256 QAM 5.361 Msym/s
EuroDOCSIS 64 QAM 6.952 Msym/s; 256 QAM 6.952 Msym/s
Operating Level Range –15 to 15 dBmV
Bonded Channel RF
Level Tolerance 10dBmV
Input Impedance 75 (nominal)
Frequency Range DOCSIS and EuroDOCSIS 108 to 1002 MHz (edge to edge)
Frequency Plan
EuroDOCSIS Annex A
DOCSIS Annex B
J-DOCSIS Annex B, modified for Japan Frequencies
Security DOCSIS 3.0 Security (BPI+, EAE, SSD)
Network Management SNMP v2 & v3
Provisioning Supports IP addressing using IPv4 and/or IPv6


emk

join:2010-03-12
San Diego, CA
reply to Iceman0803

said by Iceman0803:

said by emk:

The SB6180 are hard to find new. SB6141 are easier to find. How do they compare?

If I remember correctly the 6141 has built in wireless functionality whereas the 6180 is a modem only. Other than that there is no difference between the two.

I use a 6180 myself and I love it. However, I only have it because I was lucky enough to get one from a Cox tech as a replacement to a dying modem. They are difficult to get through normal retail channels. But, you MAY be able to buy one from a Cox store in your area for ~$80-$90.

EDIT: The SBG6580 is the one I was thinking of with wireless. The difference between the 6141 and 6180:

"The main difference between the SB6141 and the SB6180 is the chipset.
The SB6141 is an Intel based chip, and the SB6180 is a Broadcom based chip.
The Intel based 6141 has a separate tuner (well, two of them actually) that allow for a wider spread of tuning (2 sets of 96Mhz continuous bandwidth spacing) compared to the integrated Broadcom tuner that allows for 2 sets of 32Mhz spacing.
This means that the SB6141 can bond to channels that are further apart than the SB6180." Info taken from this post.

So basically, There's not much difference between the two. I might end up picking up the SB6141 instead.

emk

join:2010-03-12
San Diego, CA
reply to m8trix

said by m8trix:

the 6141 is not a gateway and has no wireless but does have a built in moca filter

»www.motorola.com/Video-Solutions···41-US-EN

Have no idea what a Moca filter is


Iceman0803

join:2012-05-18
Glendale, AZ

said by emk:

Have no idea what a Moca filter is

If you feel like watching it the following video explains MoCA and MoCA filters:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=R58dh24X···embedded

emk

join:2010-03-12
San Diego, CA
reply to emk

Thanks for that. I would really like a 6180 but I can't find a brand new one online! Does anyone know where to get one?



Iceman0803

join:2012-05-18
Glendale, AZ

said by emk:

Thanks for that. I would really like a 6180 but I can't find a brand new one online! Does anyone know where to get one?

No problem. 6180's are difficult to find new unless purchased or given as a replacement from Cox. However, you can find them used:

»www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=···from=R40

»www.amazon.com/Motorola-SB6180-S···=SB-6180


Ender3rd

join:2001-07-15
Connecticut

1 edit
reply to emk

said by emk:

Thanks for that. I would really like a 6180 but I can't find a brand new one online! Does anyone know where to get one?

I also hoped to find a 6180 but was unable to locate one locally. I ended up getting a 6580 (about 30 bucks more than the 6180 if you catch it on sale) and run it in bridge mode so that the wireless and router functions are toggled off. When run that way it's actually pretty much identical to the 6180. It works very nicely and it handles my horrendous SNR and high error count without working too hard. I like that Motorola opted to let the LED indicators on the front to simply light up rather than flashing relentlessly like the 6120. It also synchs up very quickly and exhibits none of the truncated logging issues that plagued the 6120. I'm very happy with it.
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emk

join:2010-03-12
San Diego, CA
reply to emk

I would probably take a gamble and buy a used one from Amazon



dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4
reply to emk

said by emk:

so between the SB6180 and DPC3010, the motorola is the better choice?

Hands down the 3010 modem is better.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4

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reply to Iceman0803

said by Iceman0803:

said by emk:

Thanks for that. I would really like a 6180 but I can't find a brand new one online! Does anyone know where to get one?

No problem. 6180's are difficult to find new unless purchased or given as a replacement from Cox. However, you can find them used:

ask the seller for the MAC address on used modems or you might just find yourself paying off someone elses bill before they'll let it online.
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