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kw
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join:2004-06-12
New Albany, OH
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reply to C0deZer0

Re: [WIN7] Flash kills my PC

It may also be worth your time to update any other lingering drivers you might have that are out of date. Chipset and sound drivers come to mind.

Also, if you have an integrated graphics card, you might as well try updating those too. (if they aren't disabled in BIOS/device manager)

I've been diagnosing issues like this on a friend of mines machine and he's in the same shoes as you.



60632649
Premium
join:2003-09-29
New York, NY
reply to C0deZer0

Have you tried looking in compmgmt.msc to see if there are any error messages hitting your system's logs? That's a good starting point. I don't deal with Win7 but on XP it's Start...Run... enter in compmgmt.msc you'll see event logs.



C0deZer0
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Tempe, AZ

I used to at least know what to look for in Windows XP's event viewer, but I've yet to be able to figure out how to see what I need to see in Windows 7's version of it.

Even when I was able to see any errors, the only ones that would ever show up are those of it complaining about being shut down inappropriately, and NEVER about how flash FUBAR'd shit up
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60632649
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join:2003-09-29
New York, NY
reply to C0deZer0

Also unless you have a specific reason to use the latest flash version, why not just use a known stable old version? Uninstall the new flash, it's known crap, reboot, install the known good version, reboot, then you're computer's good to go. I'm using a seriously old version and I've never seen a website where the content doesn't play properly if it's flash based. v10 for the plugin, v11 for the activex, and get the raw setup from oldversion.com or something.

And don't worry about flash too much, it's so yesterday.
Please also turn off auto updates. Only update if there's a specific reason. Especially from a hack company like adobe.


BlitzenZeus
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reply to C0deZer0

If you have a freeze it's generally hardware related, as in drivers allowed something to happen that shouldn't of happened, or some critical component of the operating system failed which could still be drivers. This is why I'm bringing up legacy drivers, if your 285 no longer has any real updated drivers, and they just updated physx/etc then this will likely continue to be a problem.

If flash, or the browser is just crashing, that's far more acceptable than drivers allowing something to cause the system to freeze.

I would assume your 8800 is on legacy drivers at this point, and likely also your 285 due to it's age.

If flash just crashes in chrome, and is recoverable then use that, you won't even need flash installed separately.

Also just because you run a 64-bit os, basically for the only reason of Microsoft forced people who have 4GB or more of memory to take full advantage of it instead of fully enabling pae doesn't mean you have to run 64-bit software.
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60632649
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join:2003-09-29
New York, NY
reply to C0deZer0

I suggest this, grab a video from yt, anything it doesn't matter, and play it using vlc or winamp. Does it work that way? Once you start knocking out things that aren't the cause, then maybe you can focus in on what might be the cause of your errant system's problems.

In the following don't install any retard toolbars or anything related to that. Don't just click OK to everything, you probably know that already but I had to say it.
Get vlc and winamp.
Grab youtubedownloader.
Grab this from yt, it could be anything, but I had to pick something and it's from Australia as is this site's owner Justin.

Crowded House - Fall At Your Feet (1991) HD

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBixWtkxztI


Download it with ytdl. Don't pick any conversion options, let it download to it's native format then let it play naturally through vlc or winamp, they should both work. Are you telling me that it doesn't play? If it doesn't then your system has some deep problems beyond flash.

Plus it should just play itself on the yt site.


C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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join:2001-10-03
Tempe, AZ
reply to 60632649

Problem is, now I don't know which is going to be a "good" version of it anymore.

11.3 has a known issue where no video from youtube plays at all, with the only solution being upgrade or downgrade. And youtube won't allow any videos to play at all on 10.* or earlier.

I uninstalled Waterfox 16 and went to firefox 17, and it auto-installed the current version... and of course that crashed. Chrome eventually crashed the system, too.

I already am running the current version of nvidia's drivers - 310.70... heck, unlike ATI, these drivers would even still be good for my old 6600GT, where they obsolesced out support for the last Radeon card I bought six weeks after I bought it for another system that didn't have integrated graphics to go on.

Creative's site has listed no real driver update for the X-Fi in a while. Just some different software components. I also went and reinstalled the current/last chipset drivers that they had.
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mjhouser
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join:2001-10-06
reply to C0deZer0

How many flash videos per page/thread and how many "are" running? We did a simple test about 6 years ago on a Private web site. I am curious when your running into problems.



C0deZer0
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Tempe, AZ
reply to 60632649

How do I get VLC to play stuff on Youtube when Youtube demands that I install Flash Player to actually see the content in the first place? This is where I'm confused.

Reinstalling the chipset drivers - a step I didn't really think would do anything - seemed to grant me some more time. Strangely, noticed that while playing, task manager would show two instances of the Flash Player Plugin, particularly when I select to have the video full-screen. I was just getting toward the end of SDA's Blaster Master Speed run for one of their "Awesome Games Done Quick" marathons before the video stopped, only to be followed by the audio, and followed suit by the PC just completely freezing over.

Only driver I've yet to uninstall and reinstall now would be the sound card. Downloading that as I type this. I'd really like for this bullshit to end, given that I got a vacay to go to in less than a week.
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C0deZer0
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Tempe, AZ

Reinstalled the sound card drivers. At first, i was hesitant because I thought I would have to do a full uninstall and (re)install.

Reinstalled Flash via Firefox's auto-download of it. Naturally now, set it to not auto-look for updates.

So far, so good.
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60632649
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join:2003-09-29
New York, NY

said by C0deZer0:

Reinstalled the sound card drivers. At first, i was hesitant because I thought I would have to do a full uninstall and (re)install.

Reinstalled Flash via Firefox's auto-download of it. Naturally now, set it to not auto-look for updates.

So far, so good.

Good, there's no reason that these things don't rip for you. I suggest turn off auto updates, it's not unknown that sometimes those muck things up. Just get a stable system, back it up, and work on from there.


C0deZer0
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Well, sadly, while it was doing good for a few days, it ended up crashing again.

Right now on vacay, just popping in quick to post this.

It had been problem free for a few days, but if I recall correctly, it ended up crashing when there were like three or four pages all trying to load Flash Player at once.

Another anomaly I don't understand is how when I was looking at the Task Manager, I now notice two instances of the Flash Player executable running - one wtih a teeny amount of RAM, another with more, whenever I run into a site that uses it for any reason. YouTube is the most common site that seems to kill my PC, because it is requiring me to have such a recent build installed in order to actually play any videos on it. I noticed that with other sites I go to for videos don't require as new a build as YouTube does.

I meant to post this sooner, but I won't be able to get back to my PC to do anything about it until Saturday, anyway.
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C0deZer0
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Tempe, AZ

I get home, start up watching some Gamecenter CX episodes on YouTube... crashes then. Dafuq, man?

Updated firefox... again... to 18 now. When is this madness going to stop!?
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C0deZer0
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Tempe, AZ
reply to C0deZer0

Whelp, today I made time to clean out my PC, and among other things, add a fan to the H50 so I can have a proper push-pull for airflow.

As I was unplugging and about to start reseating everything in the machine, that's when I noticed this...




Funny thing is, like I said, I didn't have any of my monitors ever connected to the 8800GTS, but this is what was up with the lead feeding it. Which is funny, because I know it'll stop POST if for whatever reason I leave it disconnected.

It makes me wonder if maybe this is why I was having so many problems with Flash Player? Thankfully I had a remaining lead from the power supply that was still perfectly good. But still...
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andyross
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-04
Schaumburg, IL

Being black, it was probably just a ground. There are multiples, so unless the other wires were undersize or the card really pushes to the current limit, I doubt if it would make a difference. Although if it was intermittent, it could have been causing small glitches.

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C0deZer0
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reply to C0deZer0

Re: [WIN7] Flash kills my PC

Whelp, frustratingly, it still killed my PC again.

This is so damned frustrating. I don't know what ticks me off more. The fact that it freezes the system so bad that no response from the keyboard and mouse works, so the only thing I can do is hit the reset button on the tower itself, or the fact that because it is so unpredictable, that I have no idea when it'll strike again.

Many times I could go for a few days of usage before it would 'strike.' Other times, like there was one day where it froze and killed my system four times in a single day.

I don't know what else to do. Updating drivers, extensions, browsers, changing browsers... nothing seems to resolve it.
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Cartel
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Chilliwack, BC
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reply to C0deZer0

did you try sfc /scannow ?
»www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/15···ker.html

any errors?



C0deZer0
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Tempe, AZ

Didn't try that yet... it was quite the puzzle just finding a way to run the command line so it'll actually let me do it.

Verification finished and found no integrity violations. So I don't know what else I could say...
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Cartel
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reply to C0deZer0

try running this uninstaller.
»helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/···ows.html

First use Ccleaner and clear your cache, make sure FF or any other browser is not running.
run the uninstaller after cleaning cache.

Goto my computer>tools>folder options>view>select show hidden files and folders, uncheck hide protected operating system files.

search for any folders named Adobe and folders named Macromed and delete them all.

go into task scheduler and look for flash update service, if its there, delete it.

reboot.

run the uninstaller again for good measure.
run ccleaner and scan the registry for errors, fix the errors found and back up the repairs, just in case.

run ccleaner and scan the registry for errors again.
keep repeating until it finds nothing.

then reboot again.

run the flash installer »www.adobe.com/products/flashplay···on3.html and select never check for updates.

If that doesn't fix it, it will be something else like chipset drivers, etc.

BTW copy this text to a text file so you dont have to use any browsers to follow the steps.

download the stuff first before starting.

»www.piriform.com/ccleaner/download/standard

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C0deZer0
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Tempe, AZ
reply to Cartel

Re: [WIN7] Flash kills my PC

said by Cartel:

try running this uninstaller.
»helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/···ows.html

First use Ccleaner and clear your cache, make sure FF or any other browser is not running.
run the uninstaller after cleaning cache.

Goto my computer>tools>folder options>view>select show hidden files and folders, uncheck hide protected operating system files.

search for any folders named Adobe and folders named Macromed and delete them all.

go into task scheduler and look for flash update service, if its there, delete it.

reboot.

run the uninstaller again for good measure.
run ccleaner and scan the registry for errors, fix the errors found and back up the repairs, just in case.

run ccleaner and scan the registry for errors again.
keep repeating until it finds nothing.

then reboot again.

run the flash installer »www.adobe.com/products/flashplay···on3.html and select never check for updates.

If that doesn't fix it, it will be something else like chipset drivers, etc.

BTW copy this text to a text file so you dont have to use any browsers to follow the steps.

download the stuff first before starting.

»www.piriform.com/ccleaner/download/standard

Okay... tried all of that, and still got a crash today.
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Cartel
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Chilliwack, BC
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I would try a new power supply.
If your was falling apart at the connector, it may be a sign.

Also check your motherboard for bulging leaking capacitors.



C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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Tempe, AZ

Nothing like that available.

Tried a new build of flash, tried new drivers... no caps like that on the board, or the graphic cards either.

I'm really sick of this crap!
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Gem
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Maybe you'll need to live a flash free life. Wipe the drive, reinstall your OS, and don't install flash again. See if that eliminates the crashes.

If so, then likely that flash is the bad apple. If not, then it's time to track down other likely sources of the problem.



C0deZer0
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Tempe, AZ

Problem is, no website that features videos will use anything but flash player. Even the so-called "HTML5" version of YouTube is both feature-neutered and still requires flash player to be installed in order for it to work. Which is aggravating, to say the very least.
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BlitzenZeus
Burnt Out Cynic
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Wrong. Get chrome, and disable flash while putting yourself in the youtube html5 trial as long as your hardware is strong enough to handle the gpu acceleration.



C0deZer0
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Tempe, AZ

Won't work. Says it needs an h.264 decoder, and that in order to get said decoder for the browser, I have to have flash.

Also, Chrome is a poor substitute for Firefox. Even though Adblock exists on it, it doesn't support nearly as many lists as it does on Firefox or its many forks.

It also doesn't help that most of the video sites I go to have no app alternative for my phone, and won't use anything other than Flash in order to actually watch anything.
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Gem
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Do you have other hardware from which to build a second computer to see if you can replicate the problem?

Something definitely sounds wrong. I'm no fan of flash, but have had no problems with it killing any of my gear or my OS.



C0deZer0
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Sadly, no. I have some parts, but no hard drives with which to load an OS on any of them.
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