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GeekJedi
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reply to Arcturus

Re: If TekSavvi doesn't fight on Jan 14th, I'm leaving them.

said by Arcturus See Profile
We are having a discussion on privacy, and being falsely accused with improper evidence of things that aren't even crimes.

I hope the next person you meet on the street accuses you of rape and you go to jail for 20 years because no-one defends you, as you are obviously guilty.

Using the analogy here, you should sue the city for not defending you for getting accused of a crime on a city street.

Just sayin'.
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BellACancer

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reply to elitefx
said by elitefx:

said by dillyhammer:

The court order was meant to be fought. That's how our judicial system works.

What I'd like to know is would all customers like to see their Internet bill increase to $250 or more per month so a small outfit like Teksavvy can pay a $1,000,000 plus legal bill to fight a long drawn out battle to get the information disclosure laws of Canada changed?

Appeals and Supreme Court challenges cost massive amounts of cash. How big of a price hike are you willing to pay to support your views???

Would everybody be willing to pay Teksavvy hundreds of dollars per month to fight this battle for you?

Sell your house. Sell your car. Clean out your bank account and "Let's Get Ready To Rumble".....

Utter lies. Let's say that Tek has about 100 000 customers. Now, put an increase of 1 $ every month. That's about 12 $/year for all users. That gives Tek their million dollars. Enough to pay full time 6 lawyers (200 000 $ each) to fight copyright trolls.

I'm sure people would be more than willing to give Tek this dollar knowing that their privacy will be fought. Moreover, some other isp customers might be willing to join for this value.


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reply to sourtimes
said by sourtimes:

This thread is ridiculous. Yes they are a business, they are not a facilitator and advocate of piracy, something that is against the law. Yes these copywrite trolls are bull, but piracy is illegal.

It is asinine to expect your ISP to financially back the cause of you breaking the law on the internet. It is your responsibility to cover your bases. You think Rogers and Bell will ? ?............

Be sensible about what you use the internet for. Teksavvy has my business because they give me unlimited bandwidth for a reasonable price. A hell of a lot more than what the other companies out there do. They are an isp, not my retained counsel. People who got these letters were stupid enough not to play smart.

It is my problem to account for my usage habits. I have a seedbox i use SSL to ftp from and a usenet account I also use SSL for. I suggest everyone else do the same. The $20 combined monthly cost for both is more than reasonable for what it provides.

Get real.

Bud, you get real. Listen to what you're saying for a second. Get your head out of the sand for just one minute.

"Yes they are trolls but piracy is illegal".... Really you had to use a 'but' in that sentence as if piracy is worse then what the trolls are doing? Sure it's illegal, but sometimes they're worse evils to deal with first.

To people like you, it only matters when it's you in the crosshair holding the smoking gun when you did absolutely nothing wrong.

Are this many people really that naive to their internet connections being abused by outside sources? Logs being misread or wrongly notified and someone like Voltage now has your info by mistake? You think they give a damn if it's by mistake, you bet your ass you'll get a pay up or else paper.

You think you're safe because you use SSL ? LOL

I'm just blown away at how naive people truly are about this whole thing. People are so wrapped up in the "OH MY GAWD YOURE DOWNLOADING ILLEGAL SOFTWARE. ITS THE END OF THE WORLD"

lol Get your head out of the sand for a second and do your research bud. You're not as safe as you may think. hundreds of people every month are wrongly accused, but i guess that's ok because it's not you yet. Until it is, well it's the law and piracy is piracy..

Get real.


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reply to BellACancer
said by BellACancer:

said by elitefx:

said by dillyhammer:

The court order was meant to be fought. That's how our judicial system works.

What I'd like to know is would all customers like to see their Internet bill increase to $250 or more per month so a small outfit like Teksavvy can pay a $1,000,000 plus legal bill to fight a long drawn out battle to get the information disclosure laws of Canada changed?

Appeals and Supreme Court challenges cost massive amounts of cash. How big of a price hike are you willing to pay to support your views???

Would everybody be willing to pay Teksavvy hundreds of dollars per month to fight this battle for you?

Sell your house. Sell your car. Clean out your bank account and "Let's Get Ready To Rumble".....

Utter lies. Let's say that Tek has about 100 000 customers. Now, put an increase of 1 $ every month. That's about 12 $/year for all users. That gives Tek their million dollars. Enough to pay full time 6 lawyers (200 000 $ each) to fight copyright trolls.

I'm sure people would be more than willing to give Tek this dollar knowing that their privacy will be fought. Moreover, some other isp customers might be willing to join for this value.

You said it perfectly. Unfortunately everyone is so far up Teksavvy's butt and defending their decision that he would spit out a laughable $250 increase in our bills to fight a court order??? I was left scratching my head at that. $1 per customer would pay tons. Not to mention each business has a rollover they turn to in times like that.

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said by BellACancer:

Let's say that Tek has about 100 000 customers. Now, put an increase of 1 $ every month. That's about 12 $/year for all users. That gives Tek their million dollars. Enough to pay full time 6 lawyers (200 000 $ each) to fight copyright trolls.

LOL.

Clearly you have NO clue how much lawyers charge.
Something like this is in the $500-$1000 per hour range for each lawyer.

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reply to Boop
so you all bicker they should do more, But really I like teksavvys Stance to a degree yes i wish they would do more But do i want my bill to increase Not particularily.. So that leaves me remebering Teksavvy is a DUMB Pipe they provide internet services, Not Identify Theft protection or privacy protection or legal etc.. They provide me a Pipe to do whatever stupid Legal Or Illegal Shit i want on the internet and As with anything, if i do things i shouldn;t i take risks, and yes false positives happen Look at the Killers and such cleared by Dna evidence 20 years later or the ones who get away with it due to flukes Shit happens..

In essence Teksavvy is my dumb pipe, I like that As a dumb pipe they will Provide the info if ordered to , and have given Me the User of said Pipe the Chance to prevent its release if i feel it necessary, Really it all Comes down to that. Perhaps this case will spawn a New Isp, which Charges $5/ More a month and includes No logs/ Minimal 7 day ip logs and Promises to legally fight court orders etc.. Could be a New Market. Hrmm Maybe i need to start a ISP!
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reply to Tx
said by Tx:

You said it perfectly. Unfortunately everyone is so far up Teksavvy's butt and defending their decision that he would spit out a laughable $250 increase in our bills to fight a court order??? I was left scratching my head at that. $1 per customer would pay tons. Not to mention each business has a rollover they turn to in times like that.

If they increased fees by $1 a month on every customer, they'd have tons of people on these boards calling them fascist Bell/Rogers clones, and threatening to leave. Kind of like what happens every time TSI does (or doesn't do) anything.

Personally, I'd stay if they increased fees by $1, but I'd still oppose it. TSI's lawyers have told them what to do and they're doing it. People don't have to like it, but the constant threats to leave are edging into the realm of the tragically comic.


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I think every one should just sit back and see how all sides play this. Threatening to leave tsi over this one case is stupid. If I was one of the few that got letters I would just ignore all threats from voltage. I really doubt they would take this court individually. They are fishing for money.

Who7

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reply to sourtimes
said by sourtimes:

This thread is ridiculous. Yes they are a business, they are not a facilitator and advocate of piracy, something that is against the law. Yes these copywrite trolls are bull, but piracy is illegal.

It is asinine to expect your ISP to financially back the cause of you breaking the law on the internet. It is your responsibility to cover your bases. You think Rogers and Bell will ? ?............

Be sensible about what you use the internet for. Teksavvy has my business because they give me unlimited bandwidth for a reasonable price. A hell of a lot more than what the other companies out there do. They are an isp, not my retained counsel. People who got these letters were stupid enough not to play smart.

It is my problem to account for my usage habits. I have a seedbox i use SSL to ftp from and a usenet account I also use SSL for. I suggest everyone else do the same. The $20 combined monthly cost for both is more than reasonable for what it provides.

Get real.

Would you like a link on how to break into your WIFI? It's a complete video course and you can learn how too at your pleasure. Thousands if not tens of thousands already have. Every pedo is probably an expert on it.

Or how about being accused in error?

Do you know what time you logged on and off 7 weeks ago?

Here is the problem with all this, it's not a criminal matter so all the accuser has to provide is "reasonable" evidence. Good luck with the legal costs trying to prove it unreasonable. I bet you will find that paying them $1000 to be cheaper then fighting.

So before you start on a holier then "thou evil downloaders", there is more to it. As for TSI. if they retain three month records and the next IP I go to is a week or less, then I'm going to thank you for being the low hanging fruit.

Who7

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said by spock:

I think every one should just sit back and see how all sides play this. Threatening to leave tsi over this one case is stupid. If I was one of the few that got letters I would just ignore all threats from voltage. I really doubt they would take this court individually. They are fishing for money.

I agree on waiting to see what happens.

As for ignoring it, it's not an option. In fact, if you do, you will find that you will be knee deep in with a collection agency and they LOVE people that initially ignore them. They were harassing us over a relatives debt and I actually had to pay a lawyer to stop it.

You will be amazed how quickly this can turn into an industry.


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reply to BellACancer
said by BellACancer:

said by elitefx:

said by dillyhammer:

The court order was meant to be fought. That's how our judicial system works.

What I'd like to know is would all customers like to see their Internet bill increase to $250 or more per month so a small outfit like Teksavvy can pay a $1,000,000 plus legal bill to fight a long drawn out battle to get the information disclosure laws of Canada changed?

Appeals and Supreme Court challenges cost massive amounts of cash. How big of a price hike are you willing to pay to support your views???

Would everybody be willing to pay Teksavvy hundreds of dollars per month to fight this battle for you?

Sell your house. Sell your car. Clean out your bank account and "Let's Get Ready To Rumble".....

Utter lies. Let's say that Tek has about 100 000 customers. Now, put an increase of 1 $ every month. That's about 12 $/year for all users. That gives Tek their million dollars. Enough to pay full time 6 lawyers (200 000 $ each) to fight copyright trolls.

I'm sure people would be more than willing to give Tek this dollar knowing that their privacy will be fought. Moreover, some other isp customers might be willing to join for this value.

The last time TSI increased prices by $2.00 the whining on here went on for a about a month so I don't think people want their payments to go up by a $1.00 either.
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reply to Tx
said by Tx:

lol Get your head out of the sand for a second and do your research bud. You're not as safe as you may think. hundreds of people every month are wrongly accused, but i guess that's ok because it's not you yet. Until it is, well it's the law and piracy is piracy..

Get real.

I did a little experiment after this whole flap started. I made up a rubbish torrent consisting of some flanged whoosh whoosh sounds, some text to speech overlaid as the vocal, remixed it to 24/96 flac and then put up a roughly 100mb torrent with a file name sure to attract a litigious film company. I didn't upload it to a torrent site or to a torrent cache, I just let the DHT protocol do the heavy lifting.

Day 1 - 18 IPs connected mostly China/HK and So Cal.
disconnected for 12+ hours and changed IPs
Day 2 - 82 IPs connected from various geographic areas.
Also noted my DAY 1 IP was in the list of connected hosts.
Stayed on for 2 hours and then disconnected and changed IPs
Day 3 - Blocked the 81 IPS from Day 2 and connected to 8
more IPs. Noted my Day 2 IP not in list of connected hosts.

So to sum up - after disconnecting on the first day, anyone else who acquired that IP after I discarded it would now be "guilty" of infringing that work for that 12-15 hour period after leaving Utorrent restarting the next session.

Sloppy or shoddy software like Guardaley would note the connection and even though no data changed hands (there was only a single copy of the originating torrent) the copy trolls now have some "evidence" to demand subscriber ID handover.

Perhaps some in this thread don't think this lack of precision is relevent but I certainly do.

I would be curious if someone more technically adept could replicate or refute this experiment as I am not asserting this could happen each and every time, but I was able to create this situation fairly easily.


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reply to Who7
said by Who7:

As for ignoring it, it's not an option. In fact, if you do, you will find that you will be knee deep in with a collection agency and they LOVE people that initially ignore them. They were harassing us over a relatives debt and I actually had to pay a lawyer to stop it.

You will be amazed how quickly this can turn into an industry.

There's a difference between not responding to an extortion letter and not showing up for court.

You ignoring Voltage's intitial letter isn't going to get you into collections unless you miss court and a judgement is issued in your absence, at which point, the plaintiff my seek assistance from a collection agency to collect his or her judgement.
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Googlefreak9

join:2008-04-11
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reply to Boop
Why don't you talk to your local MP about the matter. Leaving Teksavvy is what the trolls want. They want you to fear them.

blaznazn224

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reply to Boop
thank god i stopped the illegal downloading a few years back. I now watch my videos on netflix, and download my games through steam. Pr0n is through free streaming sites only. Now I only need to worry about my stupid brother who downloads stuff without thinking. Also I have a vpn service, called hidemyass which I paid $60 for a 1 year subscription so I can download anonymously if I wanted to do my illegal things again. Or like someone else said subscribe to a newsgroup and do SSL connection. Illegal downloading basterds think everything should be free and won't even pay for the security to protect themselves from copy right trolls. If you want a company to protect you then go to rogers/bell. They will charge a much higher price for internet but they can afford more expensive lawyers. Problem is that they may or may not protect you against a court order. That being said I would love to see teksavvy fight for our rights but just looking at their yearly results you will see that they haven't made profit yet. So you can't expect them to spend millions of $$ on lawyers when they operate on a loss, or a low profit.

Pharaoh11

join:2011-02-01
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reply to Boop
Now as interesting as all this is there seems to be one fact missing.

In the whole time the riaa/miaa were at it in the states not a single case was ever won.
Being in a torrent swarm or at a certain site doesn't prove you did or didn't do much of anything and the burden of proof is on them.

A lot of this has more to do with scaring people into complying then being able to actually force them to.


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reply to Googlefreak9
said by Googlefreak9:

Why don't you talk to your local MP about the matter. Leaving Teksavvy is what the trolls want. They want you to fear them.

The reason I am seriously considering leaving is because Teksavvy is doing zippo in this case, they just want to make sure they did not break any terms and conditions that they signed with us. Tx is right, I don't want to repeat what he said, read his posts, he got all the right answers.

cowwoc

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reply to Fuzzy285
said by Fuzzy285:

People think they'll get away with only a $100 fine. Not true, once served they MUST file a defense, and that costs money. Only after you defend yourself will Voltage offer any form of settlement or choose to discontinue.

I've read in a couple of places that because the penalty is capped at $5000 that the suing company must go to small claims court. If that is indeed the case, it won't cover the defendant much of anything.

The question remains: is the suing company allowed to bring this to a normal court? Or are they required to bring it to small-claims court?

Thanks,
Gili

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reply to Boop
Teksavvy's action or inaction will naturally affect its current customers, that being their desire to stay or go. Also if they roll over, potential customers will not want to sign up,if they know they will be sold out-big decisions to be made!

FatBastid

join:2012-12-27
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reply to cowwoc
You can't. Small Claims only allows payments of money or return of personal property, which are not the remedies being sought by Voltage (statutory damages + punitive damages + a declaration from defendants), you'd have to respond to their claim and quash those portions before asking that it be moved to Small Claims, but by then the federal court judge might as well rule on the merit of the rest of the claim. They need to rewrite the law to allow respondants to file a simple defense saying that in the absence of proof of commercial infringement that those portions of the claim should be denied and that the venue should be moved to Small Claims regarding the balance of the claim. That would definitely take the wind off the sails of the trolls.

FatBastid

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reply to Boop
I'm already with a different provider, the DSL modem is sitting on a shelf, along with the old wireless router. I have not cancelled with TSI yet, in case CIPPIC can do something, but I honestly doubt it. If you want people to fight for you, you have to make sure there's something on the line for them. I already bought a more secure router and I can afford VPN's easily, but that's not the point. Using the Internet is a requirement in this day and age, so I need to do my part in making sure the rules are kept fair, and no one player is allowed to abuse the system. Copyright trolls do just that, at everyone's expense.

I think the new law is very fair, with penalties of $100 to $5,000 for infringements for personal use, people shouldn't think they are entitled to free stuff. But Voltage is trying to find a way around the new law with this lawsuit, they want to turn litigation into a revenue stream for crappy movies, that is wrong in many levels. The owners of the "dumb" pipe should make it so that it is dumb, but they don't. 2 Weeks of logs are sufficient for law enforcement purposes, but they are keeping months worth. A log correlates an IP issued to a connection/network equipment, it DOES NOT correlate to an actual person. Some foreign ISP's have denied copyright trolls request for information by simply stating that fact: that they could not correlate the IP to an individual, just to a network end point, and thus could not release the name of the account holder as it would be an inappropriate assumption on their part nd they could not justify breaching the account holder's privacy. The trolls possible comeback would be to then ask for the address of the connection (sans name), but since that's a hassle they either give up or try to make the court put more pressure on the ISP, but a good judge usually makes short work of those shenanigans.

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said by FatBastid:

You can't. Small Claims only allows payments of money or return of personal property, which are not the remedies being sought by Voltage (statutory damages + punitive damages + a declaration from defendants), you'd have to respond to their claim and quash those portions before asking that it be moved to Small Claims, but by then the federal court judge might as well rule on the merit of the rest of the claim. They need to rewrite the law to allow respondants to file a simple defense saying that in the absence of proof of commercial infringement that those portions of the claim should be denied and that the venue should be moved to Small Claims regarding the balance of the claim. That would definitely take the wind off the sails of the trolls.

Okay. So what happens if you opt to represent yourself in court? Do individuals really run the risk of a judge labeling such infringement as commercial without any proof?

Alternatively, couldn't the plaintiffs opt to use the same law firm in exchange for lower hourly fees? This would be similar to a class-action lawsuit but in reverse.

Gili


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I hate to this, and I don't mean to be rude. But do realize if you commit a crime and get away with it that it will catch up with you eventually. If you have done nothing wrong don't worry about it.

I haven't done anything wrong, I don't download pirate music or movies from the internet, if I want to see a movie I go to the movies and see it, otherwise I either have to buy the bluray or I am SOL. Same thing goes for music.

So why people insist on ripping off the industry beats me. I bet you don't realize that a typical music group is lucky to make $1 for every CD they sell because of the over costs that goes into making it. A friend of mine gave me an actual brake down of what one of the large music producers charges the artists.

Now that the fun is over you want to stomp your feet on the ground like 2 year old's and threaten to cancel your service? Well if the Canadian Copyright Law changes then no matter who use you for your internet, be that the mom and pop internet service provider, Rogers, Bell, Telus, or even have a 10Meg piece of fiber installed by Cogent in the end the ISP's must abide by the law and let them know of your illegal habits.

So you see you are really just acting silly!


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said by Leathal:

I hate to this, and I don't mean to be rude. But do realize if you commit a crime and get away with it that it will catch up with you eventually. If you have done nothing wrong don't worry about it.

I haven't done anything wrong, I don't download pirate music or movies from the internet, if I want to see a movie I go to the movies and see it, otherwise I either have to buy the bluray or I am SOL. Same thing goes for music.

So why people insist on ripping off the industry beats me. I bet you don't realize that a typical music group is lucky to make $1 for every CD they sell because of the over costs that goes into making it. A friend of mine gave me an actual brake down of what one of the large music producers charges the artists.

Now that the fun is over you want to stomp your feet on the ground like 2 year old's and threaten to cancel your service? Well if the Canadian Copyright Law changes then no matter who use you for your internet, be that the mom and pop internet service provider, Rogers, Bell, Telus, or even have a 10Meg piece of fiber installed by Cogent in the end the ISP's must abide by the law and let them know of your illegal habits.

So you see you are really just acting silly!

Have you read nothing over the last few days? Honestly? C'mon buddy, it's not that simple. This ludicrous notion of "Don't do anything illegal and you're fine" is as ridiculous a saying as these voltage trolls.

Let me put it simple ok? This my friend is a true story. I shortened this earlier to keep a long story short but here is a medium story as i don't care to write up a full page about this

I'm innocent, yet i was contacted by a firms lawyers about 16-20 years ago about a piece of software i "pirated". This was before wifi. I received papers via a police officer about a court hearing on so and so date. I contacted the law firm going after me, i was pretty freaked out. After days and hours on the phone and my signing a piece of paper that states "my computer is clean of warez and i did not and do not have a copy of this software" The lawyers and I came to an understanding after further investigating that i was mistakenly contacted. The IP i was on was for example 142.1.234.123 the There was 1 number in the IP the ISP made a mistake on and instead of John, they contacted me.

After some very understanding lawyers and at the time laughter on the phone because of the error we parted ways and i was done with it.

What i find so funny is how you can say people are acting silly, but is that because you're one of those that believe you won't get pulled over because you obey the law? Well my friend, my father when i was younger was pulled over going to pick up a pack of smokes and a cop thought he was a wanted person, arrested him and he was in lockup for about 36 hours before they realized it was the wrong guy.

Mistakes happen, just because you are being silly in to thinking you're safe because you obey the laws of Canada is very naive. My fathers situation, honest mistake and fixed without any money involved because they could ID the guy. You behind an IP if accused, good luck.

Oh wait, why should the burden be on you to defend yourself if you're an honest citizen? That's not fair is it?

This is the first case in Canada of a mass lawsuit coming to town and TSI made a mistake already with 42 people. First time bud. What they're going to be extra careful next time? or extra extra careful? Uh oh, let's hope you didn't have one of those IPs 2 hours after the last guy did who pirated 4 of those movies. 2 hours is the difference between innocence and guilt and you have to depend on an ISP to make sure it's read correctly.

Hope the admin isn't tired, overworked as Teksavvy always says they're constantly hiring because they're swamped.

I do security audits for a living Leathal. You realize I'm not just talking out of my ass? It's not a matter of each person has a 99% chance of being mistakenly ID'd. It's the 1% chance you are.

Sorry buddy but i don't want those odds on a rape, child porn or murder charge, why on earth would i want those odds on a piracy charge? Until there is a FOOLPROOF method of identifying a user behind an IP and not mistaking 1.1.1.1 for the user behind 1.1.2.1 i do not trust it. Considering i was one of those people, i was lucky. Will you be if accused?

Let's not be so quick to judge people for downloading either, i could be as judgemental about you going 5km over the speed limit. Never done anything illegal in your life? An illegal u-turn? Bought any recorded VHS back in the day? There is i guarantee something you've done in your lifetime such as recording a song on to tape, (a mix tape) or making a copy of a tape for a friend in the early 90's late 80s....


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Great writeup.

I think out of the pages and pages (and pages) that I've read, this is probably one of the best summaries of this whole mess.

Cheers mate,
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Back in the 1980 and 1980s the Canadian Copyright Law allowed you to make a copy for your own person use. I bet you didn't know this did you? The law become more relaxed with CD burners started to flood the market place because the board of the Canadian Copyright decided to charge a small fee on record able digital media to try and recover some of the cost (if not all of it) from people pirating stuff.

Now that we have evolved to where we are now piracy has increased 100 fold the hidden fees aren't covering 1% of the figured amount of music, movies and software that is being pirated. So the have to take extra steps now...do I blame them? NO. You shouldn't either.

So your complaint really doesn't hold any water, the internet is a place that has grown over the years that its become more easier to track people through the IP's and such which why every person that has been suspected to be a pedophile is one. They track them the same way they now are tracking you downloading those pirated warez, movies, and songs to your computer every night.


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said by Leathal:

Back in the 1980 and 1980s the Canadian Copyright Law allowed you to make a copy for your own person use. I bet you didn't know this did you? The law become more relaxed with CD burners started to flood the market place because the board of the Canadian Copyright decided to charge a small fee on record able digital media to try and recover some of the cost (if not all of it) from people pirating stuff.

Now that we have evolved to where we are now piracy has increased 100 fold that the hidden fees aren't covering 1% of the figured amount of music, movies and software that is being pirated. So the have to take extra steps now...do I blame them? NO. You shouldn't either.

So your complaint really doesn't hold any water, the internet is a place that has grown over the years that its become more easier to track people through the IP's and such which why every person that has been suspected to be a pedophile is one. They track them the same way they now are tracking you downloading those pirated warez, movies, and songs to your computer every night. )

Actually, yes i do know that. Thus Made a copy for a friend or Bought a copied VHS from a garage sale for example. This isn't personal use. My sirius sat radio in the car records stuff for me (that's personal use) no problem.

If you want to cover your eyes and pretend if you obey they law and never ever, ever, ever pirate and you're a good boy then hey all the power to you. Don't come crying to anyone if you are ever accused.

You have wifi setup in your house? If so what level of encryption? WEP, WPA or WPA2? All 3 are easily crackable. Each are just a different amount of time to crack. You have neighbours close by? Lower your antenna power to ensure they cannot use that connection or attempt to access it. You on a strictly wired connection at home? Perfect. Your odds are million times better, but let's now hope you're not of the next 42 who were mistakenly notified by TSI and this time TSI didn't catch the mistake.

By the way, you're wildly off. IPs do not track people, they track accounts, they track an account holder. NOT people. Even these days they can't even track a cell phones IP because phones like my S3 have a built in router so i can allow several people to use my phones internet.

Funny part of that was? I enabled tethering on my phone and encryption was automatically disabled. I had to go in to another screen to setup encryption. Will most other "non" techies know better?

You have your head so far in the sand it's not even funny, i'm really not trying to be rude with you. I'm simply someone who HAS gone through this.

I can't say it any clearer. Until locating an individual is foolproof, you're not safe under these new laws. Maybe saying it a second time will sink in or will it not hold any water either?

42 people mistakenly notified... fourty-two (account holders) not individuals. You may like playing the odds, but i sure don't.


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reply to Leathal
said by Leathal:

Back in the 1980 and 1980s the Canadian Copyright Law allowed you to make a copy for your own person use. I bet you didn't know this did you? The law become more relaxed with CD burners started to flood the market place because the board of the Canadian Copyright decided to charge a small fee on record able digital media to try and recover some of the cost (if not all of it) from people pirating stuff.

Now that we have evolved to where we are now piracy has increased 100 fold the hidden fees aren't covering 1% of the figured amount of music, movies and software that is being pirated. So the have to take extra steps now...do I blame them? NO. You shouldn't either.

So your complaint really doesn't hold any water, the internet is a place that has grown over the years that its become more easier to track people through the IP's and such which why every person that has been suspected to be a pedophile is one. They track them the same way they now are tracking you downloading those pirated warez, movies, and songs to your computer every night.

I also wanted to mention something about your comment about artists only making $1 on a sold cd. Boy are you off.

I've also previously mentioned a band that started in school (my wife's) school had an offer from BMG while they were in school, they rejected the offer, few members kicked out, they moved on and got another offer from BMG 2 years later.

To this day, my wife, her best friend is married to the drummer, the lead singer was my wife's prom date and they still speak to this day. This band is still knocking out albums after a 6 year hiatus. Let's just say we got to talking last thanksgiving and it's not about the CD sales. They don't live lavish lifestyles making $1 per CD divided by 5 band members. Their net income far exceeds what you'd even consider reasonable.

As a matter of fact, they became more known due to piracy AFTER BMG signed them. They were only really popular in Canada until then. Then the US started listening and it continued world wide.


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First search on google: »www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless···pa--wpa2

Google tells any regular user how to access your network. Will it work? You still want to pretend because you obey the law it means your IP is safe?

Heck all this is talk over using YOUR network... hm mentioned one of TSI's recent IPs were on a russian forum and marked as "good" meaning usable. Is that IP yours, the one you're on now?

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