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FatBastid

join:2012-12-27
Toronto, ON
reply to cowwoc

Re: If TekSavvi doesn't fight on Jan 14th, I'm leaving them.

You can't. Small Claims only allows payments of money or return of personal property, which are not the remedies being sought by Voltage (statutory damages + punitive damages + a declaration from defendants), you'd have to respond to their claim and quash those portions before asking that it be moved to Small Claims, but by then the federal court judge might as well rule on the merit of the rest of the claim. They need to rewrite the law to allow respondants to file a simple defense saying that in the absence of proof of commercial infringement that those portions of the claim should be denied and that the venue should be moved to Small Claims regarding the balance of the claim. That would definitely take the wind off the sails of the trolls.


FatBastid

join:2012-12-27
Toronto, ON
reply to Boop

I'm already with a different provider, the DSL modem is sitting on a shelf, along with the old wireless router. I have not cancelled with TSI yet, in case CIPPIC can do something, but I honestly doubt it. If you want people to fight for you, you have to make sure there's something on the line for them. I already bought a more secure router and I can afford VPN's easily, but that's not the point. Using the Internet is a requirement in this day and age, so I need to do my part in making sure the rules are kept fair, and no one player is allowed to abuse the system. Copyright trolls do just that, at everyone's expense.

I think the new law is very fair, with penalties of $100 to $5,000 for infringements for personal use, people shouldn't think they are entitled to free stuff. But Voltage is trying to find a way around the new law with this lawsuit, they want to turn litigation into a revenue stream for crappy movies, that is wrong in many levels. The owners of the "dumb" pipe should make it so that it is dumb, but they don't. 2 Weeks of logs are sufficient for law enforcement purposes, but they are keeping months worth. A log correlates an IP issued to a connection/network equipment, it DOES NOT correlate to an actual person. Some foreign ISP's have denied copyright trolls request for information by simply stating that fact: that they could not correlate the IP to an individual, just to a network end point, and thus could not release the name of the account holder as it would be an inappropriate assumption on their part nd they could not justify breaching the account holder's privacy. The trolls possible comeback would be to then ask for the address of the connection (sans name), but since that's a hassle they either give up or try to make the court put more pressure on the ISP, but a good judge usually makes short work of those shenanigans.


cowwoc

join:2007-05-19
St John'S, NL
reply to FatBastid

said by FatBastid:

You can't. Small Claims only allows payments of money or return of personal property, which are not the remedies being sought by Voltage (statutory damages + punitive damages + a declaration from defendants), you'd have to respond to their claim and quash those portions before asking that it be moved to Small Claims, but by then the federal court judge might as well rule on the merit of the rest of the claim. They need to rewrite the law to allow respondants to file a simple defense saying that in the absence of proof of commercial infringement that those portions of the claim should be denied and that the venue should be moved to Small Claims regarding the balance of the claim. That would definitely take the wind off the sails of the trolls.

Okay. So what happens if you opt to represent yourself in court? Do individuals really run the risk of a judge labeling such infringement as commercial without any proof?

Alternatively, couldn't the plaintiffs opt to use the same law firm in exchange for lower hourly fees? This would be similar to a class-action lawsuit but in reverse.

Gili


Leathal
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reply to Boop

I hate to this, and I don't mean to be rude. But do realize if you commit a crime and get away with it that it will catch up with you eventually. If you have done nothing wrong don't worry about it.

I haven't done anything wrong, I don't download pirate music or movies from the internet, if I want to see a movie I go to the movies and see it, otherwise I either have to buy the bluray or I am SOL. Same thing goes for music.

So why people insist on ripping off the industry beats me. I bet you don't realize that a typical music group is lucky to make $1 for every CD they sell because of the over costs that goes into making it. A friend of mine gave me an actual brake down of what one of the large music producers charges the artists.

Now that the fun is over you want to stomp your feet on the ground like 2 year old's and threaten to cancel your service? Well if the Canadian Copyright Law changes then no matter who use you for your internet, be that the mom and pop internet service provider, Rogers, Bell, Telus, or even have a 10Meg piece of fiber installed by Cogent in the end the ISP's must abide by the law and let them know of your illegal habits.

So you see you are really just acting silly!



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said by Leathal:

I hate to this, and I don't mean to be rude. But do realize if you commit a crime and get away with it that it will catch up with you eventually. If you have done nothing wrong don't worry about it.

I haven't done anything wrong, I don't download pirate music or movies from the internet, if I want to see a movie I go to the movies and see it, otherwise I either have to buy the bluray or I am SOL. Same thing goes for music.

So why people insist on ripping off the industry beats me. I bet you don't realize that a typical music group is lucky to make $1 for every CD they sell because of the over costs that goes into making it. A friend of mine gave me an actual brake down of what one of the large music producers charges the artists.

Now that the fun is over you want to stomp your feet on the ground like 2 year old's and threaten to cancel your service? Well if the Canadian Copyright Law changes then no matter who use you for your internet, be that the mom and pop internet service provider, Rogers, Bell, Telus, or even have a 10Meg piece of fiber installed by Cogent in the end the ISP's must abide by the law and let them know of your illegal habits.

So you see you are really just acting silly!

Have you read nothing over the last few days? Honestly? C'mon buddy, it's not that simple. This ludicrous notion of "Don't do anything illegal and you're fine" is as ridiculous a saying as these voltage trolls.

Let me put it simple ok? This my friend is a true story. I shortened this earlier to keep a long story short but here is a medium story as i don't care to write up a full page about this

I'm innocent, yet i was contacted by a firms lawyers about 16-20 years ago about a piece of software i "pirated". This was before wifi. I received papers via a police officer about a court hearing on so and so date. I contacted the law firm going after me, i was pretty freaked out. After days and hours on the phone and my signing a piece of paper that states "my computer is clean of warez and i did not and do not have a copy of this software" The lawyers and I came to an understanding after further investigating that i was mistakenly contacted. The IP i was on was for example 142.1.234.123 the There was 1 number in the IP the ISP made a mistake on and instead of John, they contacted me.

After some very understanding lawyers and at the time laughter on the phone because of the error we parted ways and i was done with it.

What i find so funny is how you can say people are acting silly, but is that because you're one of those that believe you won't get pulled over because you obey the law? Well my friend, my father when i was younger was pulled over going to pick up a pack of smokes and a cop thought he was a wanted person, arrested him and he was in lockup for about 36 hours before they realized it was the wrong guy.

Mistakes happen, just because you are being silly in to thinking you're safe because you obey the laws of Canada is very naive. My fathers situation, honest mistake and fixed without any money involved because they could ID the guy. You behind an IP if accused, good luck.

Oh wait, why should the burden be on you to defend yourself if you're an honest citizen? That's not fair is it?

This is the first case in Canada of a mass lawsuit coming to town and TSI made a mistake already with 42 people. First time bud. What they're going to be extra careful next time? or extra extra careful? Uh oh, let's hope you didn't have one of those IPs 2 hours after the last guy did who pirated 4 of those movies. 2 hours is the difference between innocence and guilt and you have to depend on an ISP to make sure it's read correctly.

Hope the admin isn't tired, overworked as Teksavvy always says they're constantly hiring because they're swamped.

I do security audits for a living Leathal. You realize I'm not just talking out of my ass? It's not a matter of each person has a 99% chance of being mistakenly ID'd. It's the 1% chance you are.

Sorry buddy but i don't want those odds on a rape, child porn or murder charge, why on earth would i want those odds on a piracy charge? Until there is a FOOLPROOF method of identifying a user behind an IP and not mistaking 1.1.1.1 for the user behind 1.1.2.1 i do not trust it. Considering i was one of those people, i was lucky. Will you be if accused?

Let's not be so quick to judge people for downloading either, i could be as judgemental about you going 5km over the speed limit. Never done anything illegal in your life? An illegal u-turn? Bought any recorded VHS back in the day? There is i guarantee something you've done in your lifetime such as recording a song on to tape, (a mix tape) or making a copy of a tape for a friend in the early 90's late 80s....


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Great writeup.

I think out of the pages and pages (and pages) that I've read, this is probably one of the best summaries of this whole mess.

Cheers mate,
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Leathal
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reply to Tx

Back in the 1980 and 1980s the Canadian Copyright Law allowed you to make a copy for your own person use. I bet you didn't know this did you? The law become more relaxed with CD burners started to flood the market place because the board of the Canadian Copyright decided to charge a small fee on record able digital media to try and recover some of the cost (if not all of it) from people pirating stuff.

Now that we have evolved to where we are now piracy has increased 100 fold the hidden fees aren't covering 1% of the figured amount of music, movies and software that is being pirated. So the have to take extra steps now...do I blame them? NO. You shouldn't either.

So your complaint really doesn't hold any water, the internet is a place that has grown over the years that its become more easier to track people through the IP's and such which why every person that has been suspected to be a pedophile is one. They track them the same way they now are tracking you downloading those pirated warez, movies, and songs to your computer every night.



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said by Leathal:

Back in the 1980 and 1980s the Canadian Copyright Law allowed you to make a copy for your own person use. I bet you didn't know this did you? The law become more relaxed with CD burners started to flood the market place because the board of the Canadian Copyright decided to charge a small fee on record able digital media to try and recover some of the cost (if not all of it) from people pirating stuff.

Now that we have evolved to where we are now piracy has increased 100 fold that the hidden fees aren't covering 1% of the figured amount of music, movies and software that is being pirated. So the have to take extra steps now...do I blame them? NO. You shouldn't either.

So your complaint really doesn't hold any water, the internet is a place that has grown over the years that its become more easier to track people through the IP's and such which why every person that has been suspected to be a pedophile is one. They track them the same way they now are tracking you downloading those pirated warez, movies, and songs to your computer every night. )

Actually, yes i do know that. Thus Made a copy for a friend or Bought a copied VHS from a garage sale for example. This isn't personal use. My sirius sat radio in the car records stuff for me (that's personal use) no problem.

If you want to cover your eyes and pretend if you obey they law and never ever, ever, ever pirate and you're a good boy then hey all the power to you. Don't come crying to anyone if you are ever accused.

You have wifi setup in your house? If so what level of encryption? WEP, WPA or WPA2? All 3 are easily crackable. Each are just a different amount of time to crack. You have neighbours close by? Lower your antenna power to ensure they cannot use that connection or attempt to access it. You on a strictly wired connection at home? Perfect. Your odds are million times better, but let's now hope you're not of the next 42 who were mistakenly notified by TSI and this time TSI didn't catch the mistake.

By the way, you're wildly off. IPs do not track people, they track accounts, they track an account holder. NOT people. Even these days they can't even track a cell phones IP because phones like my S3 have a built in router so i can allow several people to use my phones internet.

Funny part of that was? I enabled tethering on my phone and encryption was automatically disabled. I had to go in to another screen to setup encryption. Will most other "non" techies know better?

You have your head so far in the sand it's not even funny, i'm really not trying to be rude with you. I'm simply someone who HAS gone through this.

I can't say it any clearer. Until locating an individual is foolproof, you're not safe under these new laws. Maybe saying it a second time will sink in or will it not hold any water either?

42 people mistakenly notified... fourty-two (account holders) not individuals. You may like playing the odds, but i sure don't.


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reply to Leathal

said by Leathal:

Back in the 1980 and 1980s the Canadian Copyright Law allowed you to make a copy for your own person use. I bet you didn't know this did you? The law become more relaxed with CD burners started to flood the market place because the board of the Canadian Copyright decided to charge a small fee on record able digital media to try and recover some of the cost (if not all of it) from people pirating stuff.

Now that we have evolved to where we are now piracy has increased 100 fold the hidden fees aren't covering 1% of the figured amount of music, movies and software that is being pirated. So the have to take extra steps now...do I blame them? NO. You shouldn't either.

So your complaint really doesn't hold any water, the internet is a place that has grown over the years that its become more easier to track people through the IP's and such which why every person that has been suspected to be a pedophile is one. They track them the same way they now are tracking you downloading those pirated warez, movies, and songs to your computer every night.

I also wanted to mention something about your comment about artists only making $1 on a sold cd. Boy are you off.

I've also previously mentioned a band that started in school (my wife's) school had an offer from BMG while they were in school, they rejected the offer, few members kicked out, they moved on and got another offer from BMG 2 years later.

To this day, my wife, her best friend is married to the drummer, the lead singer was my wife's prom date and they still speak to this day. This band is still knocking out albums after a 6 year hiatus. Let's just say we got to talking last thanksgiving and it's not about the CD sales. They don't live lavish lifestyles making $1 per CD divided by 5 band members. Their net income far exceeds what you'd even consider reasonable.

As a matter of fact, they became more known due to piracy AFTER BMG signed them. They were only really popular in Canada until then. Then the US started listening and it continued world wide.


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reply to Boop

First search on google: »www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless···pa--wpa2

Google tells any regular user how to access your network. Will it work? You still want to pretend because you obey the law it means your IP is safe?

Heck all this is talk over using YOUR network... hm mentioned one of TSI's recent IPs were on a russian forum and marked as "good" meaning usable. Is that IP yours, the one you're on now?

Edit: typeo


FatBastid

join:2012-12-27
Toronto, ON

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reply to Leathal

said by Leathal:

Back in the 1980 and 1980s the Canadian Copyright Law allowed you to make a copy for your own person use. I bet you didn't know this did you? The law become more relaxed with CD burners started to flood the market place because the board of the Canadian Copyright decided to charge a small fee on record able digital media to try and recover some of the cost (if not all of it) from people pirating stuff.

Now that we have evolved to where we are now piracy has increased 100 fold the hidden fees aren't covering 1% of the figured amount of music, movies and software that is being pirated. So the have to take extra steps now...do I blame them? NO. You shouldn't either.

So your complaint really doesn't hold any water, the internet is a place that has grown over the years that its become more easier to track people through the IP's and such which why every person that has been suspected to be a pedophile is one. They track them the same way they now are tracking you downloading those pirated warez, movies, and songs to your computer every night.

The law says $100 to $5000 for all infringements. So why are you standing on your soapbox and cheering on a company who is manipulating the court by filing for $20,000 and asking for disclosure of all the defendant's financial information? The next time you do a rolling stop at a 4 way intersection will you pay $20,000 to the court? Your actions put the public interest at risk a lot more than someone watching a B movie. Copyright is not the same as property rights. It exists to protect the public interest, by providing incentive for the creation of new works. In that it must be balanced, and should not allow revenues from litigation to dwarf the revenues from the merits of the works. The inherent value of a work is dictated by the marketplace. If people stayed away in droves when you put out your work, maybe it's not worth much to begin with. Unless you can seed a torrent 2years later and sue a 12 year old kid for his college fund. I said it before but maybe it needs to be said again: people should not get things for free, but neither should companies. Respect for the law goes both ways. Voltage is making a mockery of our new laws, and only a fool would applaud that.


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said by FatBastid:

Copyright is not the same as property rights. It exists to protect the public interest, by providing incentive for the creation of new works. In that it must be balanced, and should not allow revenues from litigation to dwarf the revenues from the merits of the works. The inherent value of a work is dictated by the marketplace. If people stayed away in droves when you put out your work, maybe it's not worth much to begin with.

Well said. This is what Copyright law was created for, not as a source of revenue. Those who argue otherwise need a fresh cup of coffee.


Damen

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reply to Tx

I've been following this forum for awhile now, as a long time customer of TSI, I am too thinking of switching, it's right now 50/50 for me. I've been through many transition periods with TSI when their DSL went through the UBB issue and the growing pains when they first brought in cable access to our city and now this. I do have to admit, it has me kind of scared, even though I'm not on the "list", if TSI gives in on the 14th, they will be an easy target for other companies that are probably implementing tracking as we speak, once one bully takes your lunch money easily, the others will follow suit.

I agree with TX, I was also once falsely accused of something that I did not do, trust me, it's not as hard as anyone thinks, just because it's never happened to YOU doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

I don't know about you guys, but I have 3 teens at home, I can't keep an eye on them 24/7 when they are using the internet, no one can and if anyone says they do, they are lying so don't even try cause you're full of it. I don't want to get a letter cause my daughter downloaded some mp3 she wanted to play at her friends sleep over, really.

The thing with me is that I can't feel safe using my internet anymore after all this with TSI, I use the internet for my business and to think that now there's even "more" prying eyes really doesn't give me much confidence.

I agree, keeping a shorter log retention probably would be the best idea, just the thought of keeping someone's usage log for that long gives me the hibbee jibbees..

TX is correct, business is business, when it comes down to it, it's bottom line and share holders, we really don't matter. I've worked in retail for years and it's kind of similar, managers will pat you on the back for selling lots and do the "rah rah" meetings in the morning and talk about "good" costumer service blah blah blah, but when the time comes, they will not hesitate to pull the carpet out from under you and can your ass if it means a better bottom line.



AkFubar
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reply to Boop

IMO the benefits of staying with TSI far out weight those for leaving. Always had good service, the price is right and I'm good with TSI's stance on net neutrality and fairness to customers. Really don't think there would be many if any alternatives out there. Under the same or similar circumstances any Canadian ISP would do pretty much exactly the same as TSI.
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said by AkFubar:

IMO the benefits of staying with TSI far out weight those for leaving. Always had good service, the price is right and I'm good with TSI's stance on net neutrality and fairness to customers. Really don't think there would be many if any alternatives out there. Under the same or similar circumstances any Canadian ISP would do pretty much exactly the same as TSI.

I was with Golden.net in the beginning and they were still the best, too bad they sold it to Execuelink and I was with them until they raised their price and lowered the cap to a point that it was no longer economical for me. I switched to Teksavvy about 2 years ago or maybe three on a group 300GB plan, the price was right at the time but now after the price hike, it is starting to lose the price advantage.

You may be right about there are not really any alternatives out there but if they are doing what others will be doing. I'll be doing what other consumers are doing, get the most economical ISP since they have already proven that they were not the "friendly neighborhood" ISP they were advertising themselves to be.


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said by AkFubar:

IMO the benefits of staying with TSI far out weight those for leaving. Always had good service, the price is right and I'm good with TSI's stance on net neutrality and fairness to customers. Really don't think there would be many if any alternatives out there. Under the same or similar circumstances any Canadian ISP would do pretty much exactly the same as TSI.

What benefits? Bandwidth? lol... You know why TSI was a target right? Any billy joe bob knows TSi stood up for it's customers rights for a fair internet back in the day and fought to keep "unlimited" a reality, but really... is unlimited needed?

That question is a tough one. For me our house uses netflix a lot. For $8 a month, we push bandwidth to it's limits and still come under a cap.

Not saying caps are right, because their not, considering what bandwidth really costs them, it's chump change.

That said, Teksavvy put a target on their foreheads long ago fighting for customers rights to download/upload (aka bandwidth) and now when things get tough, where is this fight?

There is a reason TSI was target #1. Rogers has a much higher customer base... why not them?, why not bell? Why not Telus? You're pretty well known for being very biased towards Teksavvy, so your opinion isn't really an opinion when it's not objective or subjective to certain criteria, such as right to being fairly treated.

Handing my IP over is copping out and leaving me to the wolves. To fend for myself. Now where most naive people seem to get lost in themselves is "Don't do anything illegal and you're fine". Furthest thing from the truth.

1. Teksavvy screws up the process of who to contact based on IPs handed over. 42 people for example
2. IP is spoofed. Far more common then anyone knows and you'll never know unless you become falsely accused, but hey... keep it legal.
3. Wifi is being hacked/shared by an neighbor and while he/she is laughing while downloading the next twilight you're on the hook because companies like Voltage don't care who in the house, just that it's that account holder.

I'm not a gambler so playing with those odds are not for me. I don't want to be brought up on possible charges based on something as silly as being one of the next 42 mistakenly notified but missed next time.

Why is the burden up to me, to defend myself? I've kept it legal. I'm a legit guy. I like supporting things i like. Thus i've supported TSI but not this decision. People are so ignorant to the simplicity of sharing a connection that because it hasn't happened to them, it never will.

It's as naive as saying i've never been mugged on the streets before, so i don't mind going out at 1am anyway. Until it happens a new perspective arises. Problem is why are people waiting until it happens to then bitch and moan?

Biggest problem with this country when it comes to our prices (retail, internet, cable, telephone, cell) is we wait just accept it rather then question it.

Hey it's cool though, it hasn't happened to bob. probably never will...


AkFubar
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said by Tx:

said by AkFubar:

IMO the benefits of staying with TSI far out weight those for leaving. Always had good service, the price is right and I'm good with TSI's stance on net neutrality and fairness to customers. Really don't think there would be many if any alternatives out there. Under the same or similar circumstances any Canadian ISP would do pretty much exactly the same as TSI.

What benefits? Bandwidth? lol... You know why TSI was a target right? Any billy joe bob knows TSi stood up for it's customers rights for a fair internet back in the day and fought to keep "unlimited" a reality, but really... is unlimited needed?

That question is a tough one. For me our house uses netflix a lot. For $8 a month, we push bandwidth to it's limits and still come under a cap.

Not saying caps are right, because their not, considering what bandwidth really costs them, it's chump change.

That said, Teksavvy put a target on their foreheads long ago fighting for customers rights to download/upload (aka bandwidth) and now when things get tough, where is this fight?

There is a reason TSI was target #1. Rogers has a much higher customer base... why not them?, why not bell? Why not Telus? You're pretty well known for being very biased towards Teksavvy, so your opinion isn't really an opinion when it's not objective or subjective to certain criteria, such as right to being fairly treated.

Handing my IP over is copping out and leaving me to the wolves. To fend for myself. Now where most naive people seem to get lost in themselves is "Don't do anything illegal and you're fine". Furthest thing from the truth.

1. Teksavvy screws up the process of who to contact based on IPs handed over. 42 people for example
2. IP is spoofed. Far more common then anyone knows and you'll never know unless you become falsely accused, but hey... keep it legal.
3. Wifi is being hacked/shared by an neighbor and while he/she is laughing while downloading the next twilight you're on the hook because companies like Voltage don't care who in the house, just that it's that account holder.

I'm not a gambler so playing with those odds are not for me. I don't want to be brought up on possible charges based on something as silly as being one of the next 42 mistakenly notified but missed next time.

Why is the burden up to me, to defend myself? I've kept it legal. I'm a legit guy. I like supporting things i like. Thus i've supported TSI but not this decision. People are so ignorant to the simplicity of sharing a connection that because it hasn't happened to them, it never will.

It's as naive as saying i've never been mugged on the streets before, so i don't mind going out at 1am anyway. Until it happens a new perspective arises. Problem is why are people waiting until it happens to then bitch and moan?

Biggest problem with this country when it comes to our prices (retail, internet, cable, telephone, cell) is we wait just accept it rather then question it.

Hey it's cool though, it hasn't happened to bob. probably never will...

Yes I m well known for for my position on TSI and I said as much previously. And you're biased against TSI. You'll stop at nothing to trash any loyal TSI customer with your B$ calling them names and trying to belittle them. We make a good pair of opposites but really, your no better or different than I am.
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said by AkFubar:

said by Tx:

said by AkFubar:

IMO the benefits of staying with TSI far out weight those for leaving. Always had good service, the price is right and I'm good with TSI's stance on net neutrality and fairness to customers. Really don't think there would be many if any alternatives out there. Under the same or similar circumstances any Canadian ISP would do pretty much exactly the same as TSI.

What benefits? Bandwidth? lol... You know why TSI was a target right? Any billy joe bob knows TSi stood up for it's customers rights for a fair internet back in the day and fought to keep "unlimited" a reality, but really... is unlimited needed?

That question is a tough one. For me our house uses netflix a lot. For $8 a month, we push bandwidth to it's limits and still come under a cap.

Not saying caps are right, because their not, considering what bandwidth really costs them, it's chump change.

That said, Teksavvy put a target on their foreheads long ago fighting for customers rights to download/upload (aka bandwidth) and now when things get tough, where is this fight?

There is a reason TSI was target #1. Rogers has a much higher customer base... why not them?, why not bell? Why not Telus? You're pretty well known for being very biased towards Teksavvy, so your opinion isn't really an opinion when it's not objective or subjective to certain criteria, such as right to being fairly treated.

Handing my IP over is copping out and leaving me to the wolves. To fend for myself. Now where most naive people seem to get lost in themselves is "Don't do anything illegal and you're fine". Furthest thing from the truth.

1. Teksavvy screws up the process of who to contact based on IPs handed over. 42 people for example
2. IP is spoofed. Far more common then anyone knows and you'll never know unless you become falsely accused, but hey... keep it legal.
3. Wifi is being hacked/shared by an neighbor and while he/she is laughing while downloading the next twilight you're on the hook because companies like Voltage don't care who in the house, just that it's that account holder.

I'm not a gambler so playing with those odds are not for me. I don't want to be brought up on possible charges based on something as silly as being one of the next 42 mistakenly notified but missed next time.

Why is the burden up to me, to defend myself? I've kept it legal. I'm a legit guy. I like supporting things i like. Thus i've supported TSI but not this decision. People are so ignorant to the simplicity of sharing a connection that because it hasn't happened to them, it never will.

It's as naive as saying i've never been mugged on the streets before, so i don't mind going out at 1am anyway. Until it happens a new perspective arises. Problem is why are people waiting until it happens to then bitch and moan?

Biggest problem with this country when it comes to our prices (retail, internet, cable, telephone, cell) is we wait just accept it rather then question it.

Hey it's cool though, it hasn't happened to bob. probably never will...

Yes I m well known for for my position on TSI and I said as much previously. And you're biased against TSI. You'll stop at nothing to trash any loyal TSI customer with your B$ calling them names and trying to belittle them. We make a good pair of opposites but really, your no better or different than I am.

I'll stop at nothing? Bud, i have 2 TSI connections. One at my office and one at home. I've been a customer since early 2004. My post was pretty polite and furthest thing from belittling anyone.
It's also better to be unbiased about either side. Of which I am. I don't act like they are a the best nor do i say they are the worst.

Your comments 100% of the time are about how awesome TSI is with you and how amazing they've been and how they've been great with you and how their awesomeness cannot be matched. Thus biased. You won't even admit to any of their faults as you repeat the same thing to people how "well they've treated you".

Instead of commenting on my post you go on the defense & attack.

Typical.

Let's start off with the basics then... What opinions of yours outweigh that of leaving TSI? What benefits are there over anyone else? Why are these benefits better for everyone as a whole?
Price? Caps? Wait times for help? Install problems? communication issues? Privacy issues ? Not with just this IP thing but posting customer conversation logs on a public forum for example?

Better yet, address my concerns in my post.

minim30

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reply to Boop

Hey now guys, play nice Let's see what the new year brings. Happy New Year everyone!



apvm

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LOL, my loyalty lies with my wallet. Happy New Year.



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said by apvm:

LOL, my loyalty lies with my wallet. Happy New Year.

Very well said. Unfortunately some will show an undying loyalty to a company no matter it be TSI or Apple, no matter the cost. Even if it means privacy.

Apple was caught with this after a hacker got ahold of some info on an FBI agents laptop with apple customers iphone info and identifying info the phones have without us even knowing it.

FatBastid

join:2012-12-27
Toronto, ON
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I'm curious as to why, when Voltage accused TSI of a PR movement in asking for postponement, TSI didn't take the opportunity to question the targeting of TSI, exclusively. Certainly IP's from the larger players where found in much greater numbers when Canipre monitored those torrents. If Voltage is defending its copyrights, why did it strip those out? Where is the motion asking for Rogers and Bell to disclose customer info? Where's the action against that much, much larger number of Doe's? There's obviously an agenda here, but even though TSI is being harmed, no protest. Odd.



rrrrapirate

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Completely speculating, but I wonder if targeting the little guy (little by comparison to Bell & Rogers) has something to do with TSI likely having a lot fewer resources to be able to defend their customers.

Perhaps the goal is to go against someone who they would perceive as weak... have a court force the ISP (TSI) to hand over any available customer info, then have legal precedent when they do it again with some of the larger players.


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said by rrrrapirate :

Completely speculating, but I wonder if targeting the little guy (little by comparison to Bell & Rogers) has something to do with TSI likely having a lot fewer resources to be able to defend their customers.

Perhaps the goal is to go against someone who they would perceive as weak... have a court force the ISP (TSI) to hand over any available customer info, then have legal precedent when they do it again with some of the larger players.

Yup. What they've done before in the US, is go after smaller ISPs, get a bunch of settlements, and stockpile that money to go after bigger fish.
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For once i think it'd be a nice thing to see all ISP's in Canada band together to fight for a common ground.


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said by Tx:

For once i think it'd be a nice thing to see all ISP's in Canada band together to fight for a common ground.

CIPPIC's doing it for free, on behalf of all Canadians. They're not asking for costs, and asking that no costs be assigned to them.
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said by resa1983:

said by Tx:

For once i think it'd be a nice thing to see all ISP's in Canada band together to fight for a common ground.

CIPPIC's doing it for free, on behalf of all Canadians. They're not asking for costs, and asking that no costs be assigned to them.

Not quite the point. All ISP's banded together and said a metaphoric eff you, it'd send a bigger message then CIPPIC

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said by Tx:

said by resa1983:

said by Tx:

For once i think it'd be a nice thing to see all ISP's in Canada band together to fight for a common ground.

CIPPIC's doing it for free, on behalf of all Canadians. They're not asking for costs, and asking that no costs be assigned to them.

Not quite the point. All ISP's banded together and said a metaphoric eff you, it'd send a bigger message then CIPPIC

I really recommend listening to this:
»canadiantechnetwork.podbean.com/···a-ep-03/
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DVA

@teksavvy.com

I have already started the ball rolling, start communications here I come, not sticking up for the people that pay their bills is one thing, but their CEO seems to be on here putting up a lot of smoke and mirrors and posting misleading half truths. Good-by and good riddance.


thedc

join:2012-01-09
Toronto, ON

I've been following this discussion for a while, mostly just to educate myself, but what makes you think that Start Communications would stick up for their customers?