TierX
join:2009-01-20
Canada
kudos:8 | reply to rvlad
Re: Has Shaw become too Asymmetrical and is now falling behind said by rvlad :No NO its hpna... or PPOE or the DSLAM is overloaded.
Huh, TELUS has never used PPPoE, and their FTTN DSLAM build (that 80% of our subscribers are on) is over engineered compared to every other telco in North America. Majority of DSLAM's have 3 gigabit ethernet links in a LAG, which sit around a couple hundred mbps utilization 99% of the time.
I'm not quite sure what 1/2 of your rambling is about, but it's certainly not the TELUS I know. |
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said by TierX:said by rustydusty:Blow's my mind that someone could say that Shaw is falling behind on speeds when the only "competitor" just finally released a 50x10 tier and isn't even pushed to their entire foot print. Shaw has had 50x5 to their entire foot print for quite a while at this point. Just finalizing the upgrades for 250x15. Even If you only get 100Mb out of that, the 15Mb upload would be huge. Node saturation can happen just as much as line issues with VDSL2, here to tell you. Distance is a huge factor for VDSL2, as well. At the end of the day, get what you want and if it doesn't work, switch. I love my Shaw biz well more than Telus biz side.
While I agree with most of what you're saying, upstream is considerably more difficult with HFC Docsis networks than it is with VDSL2. 30% of the VDSL2 17A spectrum is dedicated to upstream, compared to ~5% on a common 1ghz cable plant used with Docsis3 (ignoring the fact below 20mhz is usually too noisy to use for upstream anyway, unless you're using SCDMA modulation). Most cable operators in North America using Docsis3 upstream channel bonding aren't even using 6.4mhz channels simultaneously with QAM64 in the upstream yet; simply due to the plant maintenance required (lack of DFB lasers, 2nd and 3rd order distortion on return path, etc). I suspect this is exactly why Shaw recanted on there earlier plans to boost upstream rates, and why there 50mbps plan is stuck at 3mbps up. I've been told this by countless cable guys, that there return path is very noisy and very difficult ($$$) to clean up. The cable co's will definitely get there, but I don't think they'll be able to complete on upstream, at least until Docsis3.1 (2015 for all the bells and whistles). Problem I have with VDSL2 when I had it, was the distance from the CO. I wasn't "qualified" for the 25Mb plan, however I managed to get it overridden thanks to a Telus tech on the Telus forum. If it wasn't for him, I would have never been able to get the 25Mb. With the 50Mb out now, I would love to try it again but the hardware is the next biggest thing for me. Atleast with Shaw they will bridge their gateways so you can use your own hardware. With Telus you are forced to use the Actiontec. I went through 3 of the devices in the 6 months I have Optik at my condo. The last time was a long weekend and I had no TV or internet for 4 days. That was the absolute last straw for me. That was also at a different place of mine. Where I'm living now is not even available for anything more than the 6Mb Telus, therefore I have Shaw Biz at home and love it. |
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 Link LoggerPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
Calgary, AB
kudos:3 | reply to Link Logger
My Son In-law in Santa Clara gets 30 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up for just over $50 a month. That would be a worthy competitor for Shaw and not wimpy old Telus. I have a Business 25 (25Mbps down and 2.5 Mbps up) for $80 a month, maybe I need to switch to the residential 50 or 100 (I'm in SE Calgary) so my Wife can Facetime with the Grandkids without it crapping out on poor upload speeds.
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Business 50 is $99 for 50/5 and TV.
Residental 50 is 50/3 so not that different from the 25/2.5 plan.
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said by Link Logger:My Son In-law in Santa Clara gets 30 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up for just over $50 a month. That would be a worthy competitor for Shaw and not wimpy old Telus. I have a Business 25 (25Mbps down and 2.5 Mbps up) for $80 a month, maybe I need to switch to the residential 50 or 100 (I'm in SE Calgary) so my Wife can Facetime with the Grandkids without it crapping out on poor upload speeds.
Blake
Don't Switch to the residential at any cost Blake, it seems the routing priority is even worse than the business as business gets priority. Example is i am on the 250 with unlimited and 15Mbit upload but due to the network config i can only muster avg 3Mbit on average (from proliant with 6x15K SAS RAID with a quad teamed 4Gig NIC) and clients and suffer from a lower prioritized traffic queue on the network than the business packages.
I have yet to find a peer to peer protocol that isn't affected by throttling on the user based shaw package and despite multiple calling ppl out on this forum NOBODY has been able to come up with a P2P alternative that is not throttled on the home consumer package for several months since the original (approved)post.
said by Baud1200:As a home user (non buisness) based package i really don't understand what they want us to transfer files with if they limit every single peer to peer (non commercial) software, how does this make sense for a non commerical package? With this being the best of the best as far as knowledge base, i still can bet that not a single person can even name me a P2P software that is not effected..
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join:2010-11-27
Beaumont, AB Reviews:
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| said by Baud1200:said by Link Logger:My Son In-law in Santa Clara gets 30 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up for just over $50 a month. That would be a worthy competitor for Shaw and not wimpy old Telus. I have a Business 25 (25Mbps down and 2.5 Mbps up) for $80 a month, maybe I need to switch to the residential 50 or 100 (I'm in SE Calgary) so my Wife can Facetime with the Grandkids without it crapping out on poor upload speeds.
Blake
Don't Switch to the residential at any cost Blake, it seems the routing priority is even worse than the business as business gets priority. Example is i am on the 250 with unlimited and 15Mbit upload but due to the network config i can only muster avg 3Mbit on average (from proliant with 6x15K SAS RAID with a quad teamed 4Gig NIC) and clients and suffer from a lower prioritized traffic queue on the network than the business packages. I have yet to find a peer to peer protocol that isn't affected by throttling on the user based shaw package and despite multiple calling ppl out on this forum NOBODY has been able to come up with a P2P alternative that is not throttled on the home consumer package for several months since the original (approved)post. said by Baud1200:As a home user (non buisness) based package i really don't understand what they want us to transfer files with if they limit every single peer to peer (non commercial) software, how does this make sense for a non commerical package? With this being the best of the best as far as knowledge base, i still can bet that not a single person can even name me a P2P software that is not effected..
Having a slow day Baud1200 |
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Link LoggerPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
Calgary, AB
kudos:3 | reply to Link Logger
Re: Has Shaw become too Asymmetrical and is now falling behind Had a look at the speeds guys are posting with Optik50 (typically 50+ down and 10+ up) and it appears by the numbers to kick Shaw's butt on upload speeds, so going to have Telus give me a price for the whole shooting match (phone, TV, Internet) so I can compare equal feature systems.
I was one of Shaw's very first internet customers in Calgary and have been happy with them for many, many years, but as I said upload speeds are starting to matter so perhaps its time to see what the other guys have as I think Shaw is lagging on upload speeds.
Blake
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said by TierX:Most cable operators in North America using Docsis3 upstream channel bonding aren't even using 6.4mhz channels simultaneously with QAM64 in the upstream yet;
There also isn't a need to do this. With channel bonding and load balancing (together) you can just keep adding more upstream channels at 3.2mhz and spreading customers across them.
I mean, great job to toss some "facts" out there about cable systems, but your spin on it wasn't needed or necessarily true. Also the size of the upstream portion of spectrum is changing in the cable industry, and that will (likely) happen before DOC3.1.
I personally feel that intentionally, or unintentionally, you are sowing unneeded FUD, and that it isn't in the spirit of these forums. |
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said by Link Logger:Had a look at the speeds guys are posting with Optik50 (typically 50+ down and 10+ up) and it appears by the numbers to kick Shaw's butt on upload speeds, so going to have Telus give me a price for the whole shooting match (phone, TV, Internet) so I can compare equal feature systems.
I was one of Shaw's very first internet customers in Calgary and have been happy with them for many, many years, but as I said upload speeds are starting to matter so perhaps its time to see what the other guys have as I think Shaw is lagging on upload speeds.
Blake
I would definitely consider the new 50/10 from Telus, however the biggest concern I have is the Actiontec device. Like I've stated before, the device just doesn't work for me and load I put on it. Burnt out 3 of them within my 6 months with Optik. When the device goes, you no longer have internet or TV. Have yet to have a cable modem completely die on me with the 10+ years with Shaw. |
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Link LoggerPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
Calgary, AB
kudos:3 | said by rustydusty:I would definitely consider the new 50/10 from Telus, however the biggest concern I have is the Actiontec device. Like I've stated before, the device just doesn't work for me and load I put on it. Burnt out 3 of them within my 6 months with Optik. When the device goes, you no longer have internet or TV. Have yet to have a cable modem completely die on me with the 10+ years with Shaw.
Move made over to Telus so I'll see just how well they work and how good their hardware is. I was a happy Shaw customer for many, many years, but the slow upload speeds have been the deal breaker for me and so now I'll find out if Telus has faster speeds for the same cost.
Blake
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The service was very good that I had. I prefer the Optik TV over a Shaw HD. Seems a lot more crisp to me, personally. I can't get over the problems with the Actiontec device. Like I said, all TV and internet comes to a crashing halt if there is an issue. Maybe I just had terrible luck, but 3 Actiontec's in a little less than 6 months is mind blowing. Never once in the 10 years I've had my Shaw have I had a modem completely stop. Had a few bad ones, but never went without internet and tv for 4 days. Huge bummer doesn't offer a standalone modem for the Internet only users. For Optik, use a different device to provide the TV, and seperate for the internet. Atleast you don't loose both if the Actiontec fails. |
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jtl999Classified CEO
join:2012-11-24 | reply to spock
What are the max speeds data caps and price? |
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I don't think the average person cares about fast uploading - unless they are unsuccessfully running torrents alongside gaming & voip, and even then, they wouldn't know that a competing ISP can make it better |
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