Not happy with the low bandwidth caps when they should be higher, but it's Canada, what else is new.

Blame the UBB/CBB fiasco for the spendiness and the CRTC for allowing it to get that way. And its only going to get worse from here on when the aggreated POI model is rolled out all your "unlimited" will vanish. I'm not looking forwards to losing the unlimited, though I'd love the higher speed packages. I don't think theres going to be any "Win - Win" scenario's. Unless someone somehow manages to pull a hat out of a rabbit.

And after 9 months you switch providers. Thus voting with your wallet. Go to who offers the better deal. Bandwidth/speed are important, as important as price.

Check out this thread »New 2013 Price Comparisons Thread

TEKSAVVY
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High Speed DSL 25
Up to 25 Mbps Down / 10 Mbps Up
Unlimited Usage between 2am and 8am
Dry Loop Band B $9.10 / month
Sagemcom F@ST 2864 $8.00 / month
52.99/Month w/ 300G CAP

70.09
9.11 HST
79.20 Total per month all in

High Speed DSL 25 - Start-Up Fee $95.00
Dry DSL Activation - Residential $19.99
114.99
14.95 HST
129.94 Total install all in

209.14 due upon order (install plus 1st month)
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Electronic Box
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SpeedLine Extreme 25
Up to 25 Mbps Down / 10 Mbps Up
Unlimited Usage between 2am and 12noon
Dry Loop Band B FREE / month
Sagemcom F@ST 2864 $10.00 / month
55.95/Month w/ 500G CAP

65.99
8.58 HST
74.57 Total per month all in

High Speed DSL 25 - Start-Up Fee $49.95
Dry DSL Activation - Residential $0.00
49.95
6.49 HST
56.44 Total install all in

131.01 due upon order (install plus 1st month)
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TEKSAVVY
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High Speed DSL 15
Up to 15 Mbps Down / 1Mbps Up
Unlimited Usage between 2am and 8am
Dry Loop Band B $9.10 / month
45.99/Month w/ 300G CAP

55.09
7.16 HST
62.25 Total per month all in

High Speed DSL 25 - Start-Up Fee $75.00 ($20 discount currently)
Dry DSL Activation - Residential $19.99
94.99
12.35 HST
107.34 Total install all in

169.59 due upon order (install plus 1st month)
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Electronic Box
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SpeedLine High Speed 15
Up to 15 Mbps Down / 1Mbps Up
Unlimited Usage between 2am and 12noon
Dry Loop Band B FREE / month
37.95/Month w/ 250G CAP

37.95
4.94 HST
42.88 Total per month all in

High Speed DSL 25 - Start-Up Fee $49.95
Dry DSL Activation - Residential $0.00
49.95
6.49 HST
56.44 Total install all in

99.32 due upon order (install plus 1st month)
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Tek is 300GB and unlimited from 2am-8am, EB is 250GB unlimited from 2am-12noon. I think EB is geared to steal some market shares.

Yeah and when the honeymoon is over they stick it to ya $ wise and with yearly increases after that in typical BHell style.

Well, can't speak for Rogers but Bell has that 300gb promotion for new customers, 15/10 300gb for $45 per month for the first nine(?) months (no contract).

Regardless of all this, My wallet is speaking and quite loudly i can see a large savings by switching to a different isp and even if they also betray my trust.. until they do i save lots of money P:) teksavvy is no longer Competitively priced.

Am I the only one who isn't going to switch to another ISP?

Am I the only one who isn't going to switch to another ISP?

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Will feisty, progressive Teksavvy, the ISP that has built its reputation on being customer-friendly, actually stand up and fight for its customers’ “privacy” without taking sides on “piracy”?
-Howard Knopf
»www.excesscopyright.blogspot.ca/···-in.html

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Am I the only one who isn't going to switch to another ISP?

now im not a lawyer seek one please, and my views are me also learning as i go too and yea under 14000 income you can get legal aid BUT there are issues when it comes to federal courts and what you can get legal aid FOR. i urge people to check this out

it took me an hour t find on google for example the full re-amended full copyright law.
its not nice of a govt to only post the amended bits and i'd argue the charter tells you to make stuff clear , that adds total confusion for any citizen wishing to learn about the laws of our land. I think it is dne on purpose as previous govts did not do that.

That is last part is not in the law, the ISP is responsible regardless if they co-operate or not. There is nothing in the law that abides an infringer of the law because they co-operated to find other infringers.

So, Teksavvy should be fighting for our privacy. (If they lose this case, they could be the ones sued for all 2000 cases). Just as much as any individuals.

To Op, your free to go to wherever you want to go for your Mandated; non essential telecommunications service. But, wherever you do the law is the same and this can happen to ANY ISP in Canada--big or small.

Its just the bigger ISPs have more money and resources to deal with frivolous claims related to legislative cross conflicts due to poorly planned and implemented amendments.

>TSI doesn't have a customer's internet history.

Ah, well that's one avenue closed.

Not sure how I feel about that, I dig privacy and all that but when the cops come with a child porn case and a court order I'd like to think that an ISP can help. Tricky line there.

>forensic analysis of your computer.

And if they don't find it then what? They can say you deleted it with some super military grade disc-wipe utility.

And John could say it was never there.

And I suspect the balance of probability between the two still wouldn't be enough to convince a judge to the tune of $10,000.

> even if you say you're innocent & offer to hand your system over to them.

Which I would cheerfully do and fill the hard drive beforehand with all the negative reviews of Voltage "films".

c) is an intriguing idea but I doubt Voltage would go for it. After all if it gets to a judge I imagine it would go like this (and as always, not a law talking guy here):

Voltage: That guy downloaded our movie! This destroyed our production company... SHUT UP LAUGHING THEY WERE GOOD MOVIES! Anyway we want $10,000.

John D'oh: No I didn't, I never heard of this movie until this case.

Voltage: Well this other company bought this software that they showed us says you did.

John D'oh: Oh. Well I can't help that, I didn't. And how many false-positives does that software produce anyway?

So at that point Voltage would need more, like John's hard drive with the movie on it (or a whole bunch of other copied movies in the same genre) or TSI handing over John's complete internet history including him going to bittorrent sites or someone saying they say John watching the movie or perhaps a post on a forum from John saying that he saw the movie he never heard of an damn did it suck!

Can Voltage get any of that stuff without some major court orders?

First of all I am not a lawyer, nor am I certified to practice law in the province of Ontario. Neither is anyone so far in this thread that I can identify. Please take everything heard here with a grain of salt and seek the proper advice if its needed.

If tek fights this like poeple want it will mean Tek is actually incriminating itself (as a company) for wilful commercial infringement (because they are profiting off of the data).

Remember there is no 3rd party exemption for ISPs in Canada (or anyone else). If an ISP (or IP owner/poster) doesn't bend over and negotiate--it gets held responsible for 3rd party usage of the assets it is responsible for.

In essence, the ISP is responsible not you, unless the ISP sides with the plaintiff completely. This is going to either have to be modified in an amendment to the Copyright Act, or through case law (as it has not been tested yet) but this is how the law works here.

An ISP can argue during discovery (like others have) that the evidence is flawed but again that is as a defendant not an innocent 'dumb pipe'. If the ISP loses that battle, then it is now defending a full blown-out corporate lawsuit.

Vonage has filed the suit to say "give us the data Tek Savvy or were suing you Tek Savvy for the commercial infringement claimed herein. They are suing Tek for the data to go after the individual, or for the money from Tek itself.

Essentially it means Tek could be liable for a minimum of 40 million dollars. (or 2 billion depending on the Judge's decision). That would kill the ISP off completely, assets and all.

Tek isn't going to destroy itself for 2 or 3 percent of its client load, privacy or not. Why is it so hard for some people to get that....

Also few comments on worst case scenario:

-- CIPPC filed amicus to ensure privacy and charter rights are going to be respected when (and if) the data is to be transferred. That includes ensuring due process is given. Neutral evidence was presented to suggest Vonage's Request was not in compliance with the law. CIPPC did not comment on the validity of the claim just the method of handling it.

-- What is reasonable will be determined on the 13th. This will include (if allowed) a reasonable grace period for Tek to pursue requisite disclosure per privacy laws.

-- The case is being heard in Superior Court. That means the trial process is more complicated and detailed. It is more then likely a Part 13 trial as well, that means you have a full variety of defence strategies. This includes cross examination of everything including the validity of a commercial claim against you.

(FYI this costs an additional $200 or so and 1 form. For both forms in your Statement of Defence, your looking at $600, plus 2-3 hours of legal assistance to structure your argument properly. All of this can be recovered if you are successful)

-- You cannot be held liable as a "Jonn/Jane Doe" in Canadian court. You have to be identified by your legal name when being accused of something. You can Motion to dismiss ($200) if, by any chance your account with TekSavvy has errors in proper identification.

-- This also means that Vonage will have to file a claim in each region where the individuals reside. You can be accused with 20, 30, or more but it has to be filed in your region of residence listed in the (valid) information from Tek Savvy.

-- Because of this you will be given plenty of time (30 days) before you have to appear in court. Remember this will have to be a new claim for due process to be followed, so the clock resets.

This is also why CIPPC intervened.

-- If you are identified and for some odd reason were not notified per the ruling on the 13th you can hold Teksavvy liable for causing you distress and violating your privacy rights. This can be handled in small claims. I'm surprised that with of this aggressive language in this thread no one has looked at this angle already...

Back in the 1980 and 1980s the Canadian Copyright Law allowed you to make a copy for your own person use. I bet you didn't know this did you? The law become more relaxed with CD burners started to flood the market place because the board of the Canadian Copyright decided to charge a small fee on record able digital media to try and recover some of the cost (if not all of it) from people pirating stuff.

Now that we have evolved to where we are now piracy has increased 100 fold the hidden fees aren't covering 1% of the figured amount of music, movies and software that is being pirated. So the have to take extra steps now...do I blame them? NO. You shouldn't either.

So your complaint really doesn't hold any water, the internet is a place that has grown over the years that its become more easier to track people through the IP's and such which why every person that has been suspected to be a pedophile is one. They track them the same way they now are tracking you downloading those pirated warez, movies, and songs to your computer every night. :)

Isn't Bell and Rogers creating content? Why would they have any interest in saving or fighting for those who they would see as possibly sharing their content?

I suspect that picking on TSI was deliberate.

An added note. It's not the DOWNLOADING as you say "License to steal" though it's NOT theft. It's the distribution of the content. Uploading it after.

You're allowed to so far in Canada download the content. So before you go calling people a burglar lol, please understand the differences and what the current law so far states.

Boop

Why wait until Jan 14? Teksavvy has already stated many times what their position is in this matter. Your threats are meaningless. Vote with your actual call to cancel service.

And please let me know which ISP you have moved to that, in writing, will act as you see fit. They will either disobey a court order, or, spend money on lawyers to defend your rights. How much money do they need to spend before you will be satisfied? Do their officers need to risk their personal finances/freedom to protect your rights? How much money have you personally contributed to help them fight?

How far do they need to go? Provincial Court? Supreme Court?

What ISP promises that they will not give up any IP address until it’s a Supreme Court case? If the Supreme Court orders the release of IP’s, should they release them? I’d love to know of an ISP who will commit business suicide on my behalf.

Bye cause no ISP will fight it if ordered by the court. Good luck. Best to cancel and don't have the internet at all. The facts are the laws in Canada on copyright have changed... Teksavvy has not handed over any info yet but asked the court to rule if they should. Teksavvy if ordered to hand the info has no legal right to refuse and if they do they can be sued. The laws have changed and fighting against it at this point is pointless. The judge will rule based on the current new Canadian laws. All isps are the same.. And have Min required log retention requirements set by the new laws