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skeechan
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Elbow out ESPN on to its own tier

Along with all the other sports channels instead of having them rely on channel welfare for money. If HBO can do it, Disney can. Let those who actually watch World's Strongest Man, Poker and Australian dick wrestling on the deuce pay for it.
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TSWYO
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Hey I use that Australian dick wrestling on the deuce to show my girlfried it could be worse....


Boricua
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I did find a video of Colin Farrell and he is definitely hung .


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reply to skeechan
said by skeechan:

Along with all the other sports channels instead of having them rely on channel welfare for money. If HBO can do it, Disney can. Let those who actually watch World's Strongest Man, Poker and Australian dick wrestling on the deuce pay for it.

+1 to that! But then they might need a bailout!


skeechan
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Zoder

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reply to skeechan
It's a vicious cycle. ESPN bids more for the NFL each time the contract is up. So Disney charges more to the providers for ESPN each contract renewal, and the providers pass on the increase to their customers, rinse and repeat.


FFH5
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reply to skeechan
said by skeechan:

Along with all the other sports channels instead of having them rely on channel welfare for money. If HBO can do it, Disney can. Let those who actually watch World's Strongest Man, Poker and Australian dick wrestling on the deuce pay for it.

All the low rated junk channels that only are watched by very small groups of people should be yanked from the lineups and moved to Youtube, or Hulu, or Netflix, etc. That could remove several dozen channels from each cable company's lineups. Even if these channels are only costing them $.10/customer, dumping them could chop several dollars from the monthly bill.

And putting all the sports channels in optional premium tiers would really make a dent in the bill.
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skeechan
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And then use all that channel space for a fat HSI speed increase of course it is probably all SDV garbage anyway that would be dumped.
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NotTheMama
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reply to FFH5
said by FFH5:

...dumping them could chop several dollars from the monthly bill.

Yeah, 'cause when a provider does something to save itself money, the money saved naturally gets passed along to the customer. (hahaha)
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jmn1207
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said by NotTheMama:

said by FFH5:

...dumping them could chop several dollars from the monthly bill.

Yeah, 'cause when a provider does something to save itself money, the money saved naturally gets passed along to the customer. (hahaha)

Right, any savings probably just goes to bonuses that mid-level employees and below will never see.


skuv

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said by FFH5:

And putting all the sports channels in optional premium tiers would really make a dent in the bill.

All TV providers would put the sports channels on a sports tier if they could. But I thought everyone knew by now, after all these years of this talk, that it is not up to the TV providers. The channel owners dictate that the channels, namely ESPN and NFL Network, must be on the standard tiers and they must be paid for every customer that the cable/satellite/telco has.

If the TV providers refuse this, they don't get the channel period.

And since contracts for the different providers don't end all at the same time, there is no way for them to all stand up against ESPN or NFL and make any demands. Because ESPN or NFL will just let it drop and advertise for the other TV providers that still have it.

But no, let everyone continue to blame the TV providers and not the content providers for this nonsense.

Kearnstd
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Actually its contracts that prevent this. a company like Disney(who owns ESPN) likes to from what I understand, weasel their contracts that to get the other channels they own with the exception of ABC you must have ESPN in the primary tier.

*I say with the exception of ABC because as a network Disney cannot state that Comcast cannot have ABC because they negotiate that with the local affiliate.
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cdru
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reply to Zoder
said by Zoder:

It's a vicious cycle. ESPN bids more for the NFL each time the contract is up. So Disney charges more to the providers for ESPN each contract renewal, and the providers pass on the increase to their customers, rinse and repeat.

You're going to pay for it no matter who shows it.

The national networks don't want it. ABC gave it up because it was losing money on the deal. NBC has SNF which is the more lucrative slot. CBS and FOX already have deals for afternoon games. If any of the national networks would take it over again, they are going to have to have the advertising revenues to support it, so they are going to charge advertisers more to show during that slot. Guess who ultimately the costs get passed on to...the public who buys their products.

Not much has changed since ABC was losing money, so whoever the new network would be, it's probably going to have to subsidize MNF with other programming's advertisers. And guess who ultimately the costs of that advertising get passed on to...the public who buys their products.

The national network could raise rates for affiliates who show MNF. They are just going to passes it on for the local advertising and retransmission consent fees. And guess who ultimately those costs get passed on to...the public.

The only way that sports programming is going to cost less is if everyone puts their foot down and says no more. And that isn't going to happen.


cdru
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reply to skuv
said by skuv :

All TV providers would put the sports channels on a sports tier if they could. But I thought everyone knew by now, after all these years of this talk, that it is not up to the TV providers. The channel owners dictate that the channels, namely ESPN and NFL Network, must be on the standard tiers and they must be paid for every customer that the cable/satellite/telco has.

Except NFL Network isn't in the lowest "standard" tier, at least around here. That's for Comcast, Frontier FiOS, Dish, and DirecTV. ESPN isn't in the very lowest two "value" tiers for Dish but it is in the lowest mainstream package for the 4. And if the channel isn't in the package, you can be damn sure the cable company isn't going to be paying a subscriber fee for someone who subscribes to that package...and similarly, if they pay a fee for all subscribers, there is no reason not to have that channel in that package.

The networks can the cable companies negotiate the terms of the contracts for retransmission. The cable companies can't force the networks to give them the content no matter what. And the networks can't force the cable companies do put their channel in the lowest tier, essentially making every subscriber pay. Channels like ESPN seem to have carte blanche power, but the cable network can say no. Doing so will piss off many subscribers, but they always have that option.


NotTheMama
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reply to cdru
There's only one way to "stop the cycle": outlaw advertising during sports broadcasts. No more millions of dollars going into the pocket of each "star" player (or the organization behind him--NFL/NBA/etc franchise, university athletic programs, whatever). So, if anyone wants to see some bozo run around a field or court playing with a ball, then he or she will have to pay what it's worth to him or her. Yeah, I can see those 7 and 8 figure "salaries" dropping down to 5 figures overnight... why, these multi-billion dollar businesses might even become "sports" again... there goes double-digit inflation... where will it all end? (OK, time to wake up now...)
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reply to cdru
They have tried it already and espn wouldn't agree and without espn millions would go to other providers and I could just see the ads from dish network and directv about Comcast not carrying espn/abc/Disney as you know they will cut off all Disney/abc/espn programming.
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Zoder

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Re: Elbow out ESPN on to its own tier

said by cdru:

You're going to pay for it no matter who shows it.

The national networks don't want it. ABC gave it up because it was losing money on the deal. NBC has SNF which is the more lucrative slot. CBS and FOX already have deals for afternoon games. If any of the national networks would take it over again, they are going to have to have the advertising revenues to support it, so they are going to charge advertisers more to show during that slot. Guess who ultimately the costs get passed on to...the public who buys their products.

Not much has changed since ABC was losing money, so whoever the new network would be, it's probably going to have to subsidize MNF with other programming's advertisers. And guess who ultimately the costs of that advertising get passed on to...the public who buys their products.

The national network could raise rates for affiliates who show MNF. They are just going to passes it on for the local advertising and retransmission consent fees. And guess who ultimately those costs get passed on to...the public.

The only way that sports programming is going to cost less is if everyone puts their foot down and says no more. And that isn't going to happen.

This is all assuming the NFL is entitled to these massive increases each year. Right now, the entire customer base outside of limited basic subsidises NFL fans. At some point, something has to give.


cdru
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said by Zoder:

This is all assuming the NFL is entitled to these massive increases each year. Right now, the entire customer base outside of limited basic subsidises NFL fans. At some point, something has to give.

Not meaning to nitpick, but the increases aren't coming down from the NFL each year. CBS, NBC, Fox, and ESPN all have contracts through 2022. It's not like each year the NFL is saying "Holy crap, we can charge more because we're more popular this year. Tell ESPN they need to pay us another billion this year".


rectigulus

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reply to NotTheMama
What really burns my spurs is that the NBA and the NFL are registered as Non-Profit organizations and as a result, they pay NO TAXES!!!!


FFH5
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said by rectigulus:

What really burns my spurs is that the NBA and the NFL are registered as Non-Profit organizations and as a result, they pay NO TAXES!!!!

But individual teams do pay taxes. Just not the leagues.
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