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nascar

join:2000-02-28
Verona, NJ
kudos:2
reply to Sixto

Re: Fios Media Server

It is a great idea. But for power viewers/recorders, it may not be the answer (I need).

I need more than 1 TB and more than 6 tuners.

If the satellite boxes had an independent tuner and one that recordings could be viewed from than it would work for me. Plus I need more like 3 TB. The 4 TV limitation is not an issue for me so far.



bohratom
Jersey Shore is back again.

join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ
reply to Reyr

Am I the only one that believes Verizon will follow the same rollout procedure as the Dish Hopper and Directv Genie, in which only new users were able to order them?

Fingers crossed that Im wrong....


Timothy28

join:2006-05-13
Lewisville, TX
reply to Reyr

Who could possibly need to record more then 6 shows at once? I mean really, the ability to record 6 shows at once plus still watch from any other tv in the house at the same time. You need more then that i think you are spending too much time watching tv.



bohratom
Jersey Shore is back again.

join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ

said by Timothy28:

Who could possibly need to record more then 6 shows at once?

Its rare but take for example a family of 4/5 can tie up 6 recordings pretty easily. However Id venture to say 95% of homes will be fine with 6 max.


Webcobbler

@verizon.net
reply to bohratom

That would really suck. I hope current customers can get them when they arrive, and not just for new customers. I might have to cancel FiOS, and reup then , if it comes to that.

But anyway, does anyone know IF the DCT700 Digital Adapters that FiOS customers have, like me who have 3, will be compatible with the new VMS1100 Media Server and IPC1100 IP STBs? Since they do not have a guide etc, (to me they should be compatible, and I know regular STBS are not, and would have to be swapped out.)

Also, do you think a tech will have to come out and install these new VMS and IPC boxes bc they are a new different technology, respectively, then the current boxes that I just added and swapped boxes myself with relatively easy labor. Or do you think it will be just as easy as swapping current STBs and HMDVRs with these new ones?

One more thng. I assume that the prices will not change for these new boxes over the current STB price (ex: 20 bucks for HMDVR= same price for Media Server. Current HDSTB at 5.99 = same price for new IPC small STBs. ) Can I believe this to be true of the pricing ?

Any info would be appreciated.

Thank You.



Sixto
Premium
join:2005-09-16
Northeast
reply to Timothy28

True, but I prefer separate DVRs for different family members, such as his and her's DVR. Two or more DVRs with 4 or greater tuners is a requirement (for me), to also separate the Playlists and storage requirements.



nascar

join:2000-02-28
Verona, NJ
kudos:2
reply to Webcobbler

no existing box will work and a tech most certainly has to come out. no pricing announced yet.

said by Webcobbler :

That would really suck. I hope current customers can get them when they arrive, and not just for new customers. I might have to cancel FiOS, and reup then , if it comes to that.

But anyway, does anyone know IF the DCT700 Digital Adapters that FiOS customers have, like me who have 3, will be compatible with the new VMS1100 Media Server and IPC1100 IP STBs? Since they do not have a guide etc, (to me they should be compatible, and I know regular STBS are not, and would have to be swapped out.)

Also, do you think a tech will have to come out and install these new VMS and IPC boxes bc they are a new different technology, respectively, then the current boxes that I just added and swapped boxes myself with relatively easy labor. Or do you think it will be just as easy as swapping current STBs and HMDVRs with these new ones?

One more thng. I assume that the prices will not change for these new boxes over the current STB price (ex: 20 bucks for HMDVR= same price for Media Server. Current HDSTB at 5.99 = same price for new IPC small STBs. ) Can I believe this to be true of the pricing ?

Any info would be appreciated.

Thank You.


Timothy28

join:2006-05-13
Lewisville, TX
reply to Sixto

Seems a bit much to me to need your own separate dvr's but whatever suits you.



More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
kudos:29
reply to Webcobbler

said by Webcobbler :

does anyone know IF the DCT700 Digital Adapters that FiOS customers have will be compatible

Compatible in which sense?
•If you mean, will they continue to receive QAM channels from then ONT, then I would see no reason why they would not continue to operate.
•If you mean, would they interoperate with the VMS, then no. The DCT-700s have no IP capability.
said by Webcobbler :

One more thing. I assume that the prices will not change for these new boxes

I certainly wouldn't make that assumption. I can see this going for a significant premium, but we won't know for sure until VZ announces pricing.

As convenient as this may sound, I don't know that I'd be willing to downgrade from 2.5TB to just 1TB. 6 tuners will fill 1TB very quickly. Let the whining for an external drive begin.
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There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary and those who don't.

Timothy28

join:2006-05-13
Lewisville, TX
reply to Webcobbler

I'm sure current customers will be able to get it. I can't remember an instance when a new product verizon fios has had that could only be had for new customers.


Timothy28

join:2006-05-13
Lewisville, TX
reply to Reyr

I am sure a tech will have to install it. Just based on how the server will work i can tell it would be too complicated for the average user to setup themselves.



More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
kudos:29
reply to Timothy28

said by Timothy28:

I can't remember an instance when a new product verizon fios has had that could only be had for new customers.

You forget the rev. G and rev. I routers. They were available initially only for new customers.
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There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary and those who don't.


nycdave
Premium,MVM
join:1999-11-16
Melville, NY
kudos:16
reply to More Fiber

VMS will have eSATA support for DVR expansion.....



More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
kudos:29
reply to Reyr

That's good news. Thanks Dave.
Still the 2TB limit?


Timothy28

join:2006-05-13
Lewisville, TX
reply to nycdave

Well that solves the issue of those concerned about it only having a 1TB drive.



nycdave
Premium,MVM
join:1999-11-16
Melville, NY
kudos:16
reply to More Fiber

Not sure on the eSATA limits at this time.


Timothy28

join:2006-05-13
Lewisville, TX
reply to More Fiber

said by More Fiber:

said by Timothy28:

I can't remember an instance when a new product verizon fios has had that could only be had for new customers.

You forget the rev. G and rev. I routers. They were available initially only for new customers.

For how long? That must've been during the 2 years i was away from FIOS. I still think something like this will be available to all at the same time. I remember when they had the newer 7xxx DVR's. Those were available to everyone at the same time.


Webcobbler

@verizon.net
reply to More Fiber

More Fiber,

I mean will the Digital Adapters still work In terms of getting channels on them and the way they work, as they do now, IF I have these new VMS and IPC STBs installed. Or will I NEED to exchange them for these new STBs?



Webcobbler

@verizon.net

I am asking this because my 3 Digital Adapters are FREE bc I am Grandfathered into it due to i was a FiOS customer when they first distributed the Digital Adapters for SD TVs. I currently have them all hooked up to HDTVs, bc at the time I did have SD sets, but do not anymore.

Basically, if they are still able to operate with the new boxes coming out, I will not exchange them .... Unless I absolutely have to, bc then I would pay for 3 boxes I hardly ever watch. The 3 Adapters are in the basement, an empty room upstairs, and my kitchen.



johnf2
Bucks County, PA. VHO8
Premium
join:2001-12-31
Feasterville Trevose, PA
reply to nascar

Right now I have 2 -7232s, each with an 1 TB eSATA, which gives me 4 tuners and 3 TB of storage. 6 tuners would be great but still need a least 3TB of storage.

johnf2
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VHO8


JackBauer

join:2006-08-24
Schenectady, NY
reply to Reyr

They said these would be available last year...

Annoying they announce it but do not talk about availability...


Timothy28

join:2006-05-13
Lewisville, TX

Yeah, i think the DLNA ruling is what caused its delay.



Zero

join:2009-07-01
Collegeville, PA
reply to Reyr

»www.engadget.com/2013/01/08/veri···ands-on/

Engadget got their hands on the VMS and the IPC. The interesting bit the article mentions that I hadn't read anywhere yet was that two VMS can be used in the same home...


kes601

join:2007-04-14
Virginia Beach, VA
kudos:2

said by Zero:

»www.engadget.com/2013/01/08/veri···ands-on/

Engadget got their hands on the VMS and the IPC. The interesting bit the article mentions that I hadn't read anywhere yet was that two VMS can be used in the same home...

Of coure the article also says you can connect 5 satellite boxes to the server, yet the video clearly shows only 4.

zippoboy7

join:2006-06-18
USA
reply to Zero

said by Zero:

»www.engadget.com/2013/01/08/veri···ands-on/

Engadget got their hands on the VMS and the IPC. The interesting bit the article mentions that I hadn't read anywhere yet was that two VMS can be used in the same home...

This part concerns me, "What's odd is that the IPC1100 client has a tuner, but it's unused. Instead, the client relies on the server's tuner for live TV." What this now means is when the DVR decides to die (As mine have 3 times since I have had it for 3 years) all your TVs are dead for however long it takes to get a replacement box. Seems stupid to include a tuner but not use it.

OwlSaver
OwlSaver
Premium
join:2005-01-30
Berwyn, PA
reply to Sixto

My biggest problem is MLS Direct Kick. It has 8 channels and matches can be on any of them. With three DVRs, I have not found a way to set it up so I always record the matches. Having the same six tuners on one device will make this easier. So, the one device is better for me.


JPL
Premium
join:2007-04-04
Downingtown, PA
kudos:4
reply to zippoboy7

I can guess why they have a built-in tuner. I'm guessing that eventually those satellite boxes will become the standard stand-alone STB. That way, if you have the VMS, they tune off the DVR (the reason for that, btw, is so you can do things like pause live TV), but if you don't, then they can tune directly. Just a guess.


OwlSaver
OwlSaver
Premium
join:2005-01-30
Berwyn, PA

They may also need the tuner for decding of content and rules around security. I only say this because TVs with tuners cost so much more than monitors. But a monitor without a tuner cannot be connected to an STB over HDMI. At least that is my experience. It would be great if you could buy a 50" monitor with no tuner and connect it to your STB.


jmcging

join:2005-08-04
Columbia, MD
reply to zippoboy7

I agree. If I understand correctly, if you have 5 sets watching over the air then you can only record 1 show because 5 of the 6 server tuners are in use. In my case, I have 5 HDTVs, with 3 HDDVRs and 2 HD STBs and 4 of the 5 sets will be on evenings and weekends, with mixed watching recordings and live tv. I get that playing back a recorded show doesn't use a tuner, but watching anything live does, and pulls a tuner from DVR use. Due to the tendency of TV shows to start a minute early or run a minute long, even with 6 tuners sometimes it's impossible to record a show (without going full manual) because the timing of the shows preceeding being recorded on any specific DVR keeps the DVR from recording. Or someone prefers live TV on a specifc set at a specific time when you need the 2nd tuner to record means you shift the recording duty to an unused DVR, which is making life too complicated. And we have this problem now while watching live TV; eliminating tuners from use by the DVR will just exascerbate the problem.

If the stbs tuners were live, then this setup would work for me, but with centralized tuners in one box, sorry.


crgauth

join:2004-05-18
Glen Burnie, MD

I'm going to take the optimistic stance that you can record 6 shows while watching 6 others (5 remote STBs and local).
Plus they did mention you can have 2 DVRs for a total of 12 tuners.