Technical > PC Hardware Discussion/Reviews > Do high end custom PC's have a future?

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Re: Do high end custom PC's have a future?

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That $500 Geforce uses the same chip as the $1000 Quadro or $5000 Tesla (same with AMD's Firepro). The chips not good enough for the pro cards get used in the gamer cards.

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I think the one part of the gaming market that's underutilized, at least in terms of graphics and ability to deliver solid video product, is the consoles. How console players put up with those graphics is beyond me. That's the single biggest reason why I love gaming on desktops - graphics. Of course custom building and tricking out our PC's has it's own appeal.

Nothing better than the smell of newly built computer.
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You don't play a game for the graphics, you play it as it's fun. People who rate a game on it's graphics first usually make bad choices, and we all have some old favorites we would play again today if it wasn't for legacy support issues, just for fun even if the graphics didn't even compare to the 8xAA some people expect today.

I like the control of the keyboard, and mouse. I've done games on the pc for years, and on the console. Sometimes those gamepads are not optimal.
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The more power for CPU and video, the shorter the battery life. If we could move away from the thin fixation in laptops and tablets, we could get some decent real world battery life.
For workstation and heavy multitasking desktop users, the more the merrier. A group of CAD/CAM programmers I know just got new HP Z820s with liquid cooling, RAID 0 15,000 rpm hard drives, and dual NVIDIA 6000 graphics cards. Their old computers were 6 to 8 years old and took 60 minutes to do CAM analysis. Now it takes 20 minutes. They say that is still too much time. They want CAM analysis in under 10 minutes and double the monitors (going from 2 to 4 or 4 to 8). Yes there will be a place for high end desktop and workstation components in the future.

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It's not just about 60 fps, over 40+ is good, and most monitors can't even display more than 60, it's not the video cards creating the limitation. That is also why some people buy 120Hz monitors on purpose, or use a hdtv capable of displaying 120-240Hz.

If you buy a good video card it will last quite a while, instead of it choking on low settings when a new games comes out in a couple years, that also depends on the age of the system due to pci express hardware limitation, along with processor limitations if it has to handle physx. Buy a good card now, and it will last quite a while. Buy a budget card from the start, and it will cost more if you have to replace it too soon.
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I distrust those people who know so well what god wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires- Susan B. Anthony
Yesterday we obeyed kings, and bent out necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to the truth- Kahlil G.

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I'm not that picky, I thought Borderland 2 was fine on the Xbox 360 except for game mechanics like bullets that are supposed to travel faster than they were. Many non-explosive bullets were easily seen moving even missing their moving targets including the sniper rifle which should easily be faster than the speed of sound in real life. I care more about details like that than how things look.
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I distrust those people who know so well what god wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires- Susan B. Anthony
Yesterday we obeyed kings, and bent out necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to the truth- Kahlil G.

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From what I've read, it all depends on the HDMI cable you purchase. High speed HDMI cables for version 1.4 support 120/240hz refresh rates, 3D and ethernet.

So PC gamers running 120hz monitors are probably using high speed cables also.

edit: Actually, after reading some more, it looks as though to game at 1080p resolutions @ 120hz refresh rates you should be running Display Port connections instead. They support a much higher bandwith.

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The corporate rules states that all regular desktops and work stations are to be replaced on a 3 or 4 year schedule. They have a big chart as to who is to get what and when. But you have to buy from a corporate approved list of models and options. The company does big purchases every year and gets bulk purchase discounts. The IT manager for our CAM programmers wanted to optimize the not connected to the internet workstations and servers with special configurations for reliability and speed of backup. This was at odds with certain persons goal, in our subsidiary, of getting a reward for keeping IT configurations to the lowest cost versions with zero exceptions. In the end, the CAM IT man won the repeated appeals about the need to allow for very high end workstations. The corporate purchasers negotiated to have these included in this years bulk buy options. So now any CAM or similar office in the company can purchase these from the standard yearly option sheet.

As far as solid state drives, he has looked at them closely, as the CAM and engineering staff asks each year for him to review them for use. He says they are too costly on a per GB basis even with the discounts we get. The other issue is reliability in a very rapid continuous read-write environment. All CAM programming is presently continuously backed up to a Dell server and a NetApps device. You can have your CAM workstation completely fail, and all of your various CAM program choices for a part, done that day, are available on the NetApps and the server. He says the SSDs available from the purchase option list are not yet reliable enough to survive in that environment, and it is not worth fighting to get better ones added. The 4 year workstation battle was draining enough. He says he might battle for them in the 2020 or 2024 purchase, depending on how their overall performance value increases. We trust his judgement, as he was one of a few who warned our subsidiary about not purchasing plasma monitors and displays when we replaced CRT monitors. Image retention, heat, reliability and energy usage became big issues for those who bought plasma monitors compared to those who bought LCDs. He also has helped design better fiber optic configurations and networks for each of our buildings than the IT head engineers.

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Dual link DVI/HDMI has enough bandwidth for 1920x1200@120FPS (that's 308MHZ of bandwidth with reduced blanking) . You need display port to do >=2560*1440.

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