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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
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Owen Sound, ON
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reply to Gone

Re: LCBO to open "Express Kiosks" in ON grocery stores

said by Gone:

said by DKS:

Um... no, they aren't. Health matters are decided on the basis of evidence. And in case your momma never told you, alcohol is bad for your health.

You said three things - public health, public policy and taxation. You are now arguing only one of those issues - the health aspect - but not the other two, but bringing the the condescension that goes with having the upper hand in an argument when you do not. Are you admitting your claims about public policy and taxation were made in error and your only real argument is health?

Not at all. Taxation and public policy are legislative matters. But you conveniently forget the negative health impact of alcohol, in your perverse argument to turn this province back a hundred years.

said by DKS:

That is an access issue, not a health care policy issue.

And, as I'm sure any reasonable adult never needed their momma to tell them, the location where someone obtains their beer doesn't change the impact it has on their health.

So what's your argument again?

You were the one attempting to make the point. I have nothing to prove. Increased access = increased consumption, with consequent negative health and social effects.
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Wolfie00
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said by DKS:

Increased access = increased consumption, with consequent negative health and social effects.

That must be why the LCBO has 844 stores and agency stores across Ontario, most open until 10 PM nightly, and is now proposing to open grocery store outlets in addition.

In their continuing marketing blitz including advertising and expensive glossy magazines, last year they offered 29,046 free product tastings to encourage consumption.

Some of this might be explained by the fact that the LCBO runs a profit margin of more than 50%, and over the past decade provided the Ontario government with almost $13 billion in windfall profit.


Gone
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reply to DKS

said by DKS:

Not at all. Taxation and public policy are legislative matters. But you conveniently forget the negative health impact of alcohol, in your perverse argument to turn this province back a hundred years.

"Turn back" ? Hah! Thanks for the laugh. The reality is that we're already living 100 years in the past when it comes to alcohol policy in this province.

said by DKS:

You were the one attempting to make the point. I have nothing to prove. Increased access = increased consumption, with consequent negative health and social effects.

Again, another straw argument. These kinds of arguments are made on numerous issues as a way to try and deflect the argument, but they are rarely based in any sort of reality or fact. Increased access would not result in increased consumption - the people who want beer can already get it. They're even encouraged to get it. Hell, it wouldn't even necessarily result in lower prices due to legislated minimum prices on alcohol. It would, however, result in increased customer satisfaction and choice.

If you are concerned about access to minors, I would recommend paying a visit to Niagara Falls, NY or Buffalo and try to buy beer at Tops or Wegmans. Be sure to bring your ID with you, because even with your older-than-dirt face they'll still verify your age with ID.


DKS
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reply to Wolfie00

said by Wolfie00:

Some of this might be explained by the fact that the LCBO runs a profit margin of more than 50%, and over the past decade provided the Ontario government with almost $13 billion in windfall profit.

Your point? You would rather pay higher taxes generally than taxation by choice when you purchase alcohol?
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peterboro
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reply to Wolfie00

said by Wolfie00:

That must be why the LCBO has 844 stores and agency stores across Ontario, most open until 10 PM nightly, and is now proposing to open grocery store outlets in addition. :uhh

Most stores are not open until 10 PM and even in the extended summer months many are still not open that late. 844 stores that challenged approximately 6.3 million individuals as to whether they met with their Challenge and Refusal program guidelines. Doesn’t sound like they are too anxious to increase consumption.
said by Wolfie00:

In their continuing marketing blitz including advertising and expensive glossy magazines, last year they offered 29,046 free product tastings to encourage consumption.

These marketing blitzes are sponsored by producers to increase market share not consumption. They are a revenue generator least the LCBO not realize all the income sources available and be susceptible to criticism
said by Wolfie00:

Some of this might be explained by the fact that the LCBO runs a profit margin of more than 50%, and over the past decade provided the Ontario government with almost $13 billion in windfall profit.

Now we get to the real complaint of many. If the LCBO makes so much lower the price so I can get cheaper booze. You see selfish and self centered people like me have decided to pay less tax and be subsidized by those who choose to buy alcohol. As a bonus those who buy more are more likely to cost the health care and legal system more and I don’t have to pay the same proportion. Another bonus is the higher costs mean less drinking so I am less likely to get whacked by some jerk-off drinking and driving. Isn’t it neat how the world reaches equilibrium…unless you frequent the LCBO disproportionately more that is.