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pandora
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Re: Do high end custom PC's have a future?

said by kvn864:

I wonder sometimes what would be a percentage of those geeks like people reading this post, wanting 400 dollars video cards in their computers, compared to all PC users. Dedicated graphics will always be present, because no integrated video will satisfy someone who wants solid 3d gaming (and otherwise) performance. I think there will always be market for high power GPUs.

Most on this forum understand the value of expensive video cards, decent motherboard, and what not. Many in the public do not. I was reading this article - »www.eetimes.com/electronics-blog···-end-PCs

Top-end systems, priced at $1,000 and up, will account for only 6 percent of the PC market in 2012, according to an IHS report. So-called "performance" systems are expected to account for 6 percent of desktop PCs sold this year and 9 percent of notebooks, according to the firm.

IF as the article indicates we are only 6% of the desktop market, is it viable for not so much for companies like Newegg to market to us, but for AMD or Nvidia to care about us?
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yada yada yada Apple is only 9% of the PC market share, BMW is only 4% of the car market share.

Whatever. They cater to the elite few, and they like it, and they make a killing doing so. It's lucrative. I don't share EE Time's doom and gloom prognosis--sounds like the "PC gaming is dead!" bell that has been rung far too many times.
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said by Krisnatharok:

Whatever. They cater to the elite few, and they like it, and they make a killing doing so. It's lucrative.

9.5 Billion dollar's worth of lucrative in 2009.

»www.guru3d.com/news_story/enthus···ket.html

One can only assume it's grown from there.
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I even question the need for a 1k system. I built a system for 700 and it runs everything on high/ultra WITH a second screen that has all sort of youtube/internet forums open. I wouldnt even know what I'd buy component wise for 1k+ without being super wasteful / indulgent. At that price level I could probably run a raid setup or get liquid cooling but I have no need for such a setup as my computer, with an SSD, already loads faster in multiplayer than everyone else and the computer boots in 14 seconds.

The reason only 6% of the market buys a 1k+ system is because that is in the range of being super indulgent and getting triple monitors, liquid cooling or RAID hard drives, something the normal market trys to stay away from.



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Maaaan, I could break $500 with just storage. 512 GB Vector SSD + 2 TB Caviar Black. $750 right there. OK, OK. Knock the SSD down to 256 GB, much more sensible. Still $450 for your storage.

I am doing a complete rebuild minus the GPU/peripherals/monitors this spring (still have a rather new Vapor-X 7970). My wallet is going to cry afterwards.

I'll probably be around $1000-1200 without the GPU. If I add a second 7970, that's another ~$450.
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High/Utlra? So are you rating a gaming system based on the performance of wow? If so you're the one fooling yourself. Wow will run on a onboard gpu, and it's requirements are very tame compared to other games so any decent card will run wow with high/ultra settings.

People used to say that console gaming would kill computer gaming, and that hasn't been true either. Many popular titles come out for xbox, ps3, and pc. Some games remain pc only for the sheer complexity of their controls.

1k is a good average gaming build where you spend most of your money on the processor, and video card, which is how it should be.
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reply to El Quintron

said by El Quintron:

said by Krisnatharok:

Whatever. They cater to the elite few, and they like it, and they make a killing doing so. It's lucrative.

9.5 Billion dollar's worth of lucrative in 2009.

»www.guru3d.com/news_story/enthus···ket.html

One can only assume it's grown from there.

My god...10 billion dollar industry. Yeah it's definitely dwindling down to nothing, lol.

Guess I better sell my PC and buy a console before I'm the only one left playing PC games.

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A second video card, or a dedicated physx card if you use amd, aftermarket/better aftermarket cpu coolers, aftermarket gpu coolers, liquid cooling, an ssd for a boot drive, two ssds in raid 0 for boot drives, 4(at least 2 TB) wd red/hatachi deskstar/wd re4 drives in a raid 10 for back up, high intel extreme i7(dat 6 core and 12 threads that can still overclock like a boss), really high end motherboards with 2 cpu slots, 2 i7(possibly xeon if you want to go that way) for said dual cpu motherboard, 64GB+ ram, multiple 1440p/1600p monitors, multiple 120hz/ips monitors, multiple 3D monitors, ect.

Yes I realize that stuff is way more than $1000(and one heck of a bad sentence structure), but there exist people who want that extra stuff, and people who need it even.



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Who does dedicated PhysX cards anymore?



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said by Krisnatharok:

Who does dedicated PhysX cards anymore?

Well, some people that buy AMD card, also use a nvidia card just for physX. lol


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said by Krisnatharok:

Who does dedicated PhysX cards anymore?

I was wondering myself when this came out. How many games and other technologies are still actually support it? kinda thought it wasn't going far from the beginning.

me1212

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People who bought nvidia last time, and got a new amd gpu and didn't get rid of the old nvidia.

Sure not many, but hey all I listed were stuff that one could put in a build thats >$1000.



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said by kvn864:

said by Krisnatharok:

Who does dedicated PhysX cards anymore?

I was wondering myself when this came out. How many games and other technologies are still actually support it? kinda thought it wasn't going far from the beginning.

List of games that use PhysX »developer.nvidia.com/physx-games

Dont for get game engine like Havok use their own Physic, and is not by Nvidia PhysX marketing. »www.havok.com/ Do you remember which MMO that came out not to long ago that use Havok? Guild Wars 2. Yea, if you were wondering why people say that game is CPU hungry. Because it was using Havok Engine. Oh oh oh, Guess who own Havokkkkkkkkkkk. kekekeke. INTEL. LMAO. YOLO. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havok_(company) . Unreal Engine use PhysX. But most games now dosen't require you to have a Nvidia card just to play their game. Which is stupid to lose half of your buyer. Either Physic is run by GPU(PhysX Nvidia.) or it is run by your CPU, and or None at all(no physic support in the game.)

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_game_engines

I got sucker in to Nvidia TXAA. It is only support by like.. couple of games.. One was The Secret World.. But then they took it out when I left the game. I think a month or 2 later, they added back in.


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said by Ghastlyone:

My god...10 billion dollar industry. Yeah it's definitely dwindling down to nothing, lol.

10 Billion in 2009, the article says it's at 12.5 Billion now. (so that's 25% growth in 3 years give or take?)

I can't imagine any business analyst worth his or her salary would dismiss this industry.
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