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UnnDunn
Premium
join:2005-12-21
Brooklyn, NY
reply to kes601

Re: Al Jazeera Buys Al Gore's Current TV

Sure, but Al-Jazeera English is typically carried on smaller stations that rely on must-carry to get onto local cable lineups. You generally aren't going to find Al-Jazeera English on a subchannel of a big-4 network, since it would be a colossal waste of bandwidth when 3 of the big 4 already have higher-rated subchannel networks that could be offered instead.

Owners of big-4 network channels are beginning to ask for retrans consent, but smaller channels are sticking with must-carry because they need the eyeballs.

kes601

join:2007-04-14
Virginia Beach, VA
kudos:2
reply to UnnDunn
For the most part, it's not the must carry rule that forces them to carry it, it has to do with the contract language with the stations that have the sub-channels.

If a station (let's say NBC) carries a sub-channel and they opt to enforce the must carry rule then they can't charge the provider for the main channel either. So, that would force Vz to carry both NBC and the sub-channel, however the NBC channel then can't also demand money to carry their station.

In these days, the big 4 networks are not going to enforce the must carry rule, they stand to make more negotiating contract terms.

We just went through this w/the CBS station here, and now our NBC and Fox stations (as well as a couple stations in the Buffalo market) owned by LIN are in the midst of contract negotiations that expire on Jan 10.

This is from the FCC website:

The Communications Act prohibits cable operators and other multichannel video programming distributors from retransmitting commercial television, low power television and radio broadcast signals without first obtaining the broadcaster's consent. This permission is commonly referred to as "retransmission consent" and may involve some compensation from the cable company to the broadcaster for the use of the signal. Alternately, local commercial and noncommercial television broadcast stations may require a cable operator that serves the same market as the broadcaster to carry its signal. A demand for carriage is commonly referred to as "must-carry." If the broadcast station asserts its must-carry rights, the broadcaster cannot demand compensation from the cable operator. While retransmission consent and must-carry are distinct and function separately, they are related in that commercial broadcasters are required to choose once every three years, on a system-by-system basis, whether to obtain carriage or continue carriage by choosing between must carry and retransmission consent.

FiosTV1080I

join:2010-09-06
united state
reply to stevek1949
They should drop current tv in Verizon Fios Lineup and add a High def channel like History 2, Sony movie Channel, cooking channel HD, DIY HD, - Some of these HD channels would be great additions.

bushleaguer

join:2007-01-22
Gillette, NJ
reply to UnnDunn
said by UnnDunn:

said by bushleaguer:

Fios already added Al-Jazeera English (don't remember what channel it is), so wouldn't this be a case of redundancy? They can drop one or the other and still provide the programming.

Al-Jazeera English is broadcast over-the-air on subchannels in various markets around the country. In those areas, must-carry rules force Verizon to carry it as well.

This new channel will reportedly not be the same as the Al-Jazeera English that we have now. It will be an all-new channel based in New York providing content tailored for the US market.

Oh, ok. Thanks for the clarification.

Sympathy

join:2004-09-06
Newburgh, NY
reply to bohratom
said by bohratom:

said by Greg2600:

CNN is "middle of the road" and their ratings are horrible. MSNBC and FOX News blister them.

CNN has the highest advertising fees of any cable news network. People may not watch them as much as Foxnews or Msnbc but they trust them.

True. When it comes to huge breaking news stories, CNN is the channel to tune in.


Ike1

join:2012-06-02
Newark, NJ
reply to stevek1949
On FiOS here in the greater NYC area, you can see Al Jazeera English via a local digital subchannel, WRNN-DT2, on ch. 481 and their world news coverage is excellent. So I'm curious to see Current TV transform into Al Jazeera America and hope FiOS does not drop it. Of course the words "Al Jazeera" are very frightening to ignorant Islamophobes so a lot of people are freaked out, but anyone who actually watches some of Al Jazeera English (you can stream it free online) can see it's pretty similar to BBC world news coverage, but often better.

said by bohratom:

Al Jazeera English would be crazy to keep any of the far left hosts. ... If they have any hope of gaining a majority of American viewers they have to tack to the middle of the road.

The current A.J. English programming would probably strike some viewers as left-leaning already anyway, because they broadcast documentaries and in-depth pieces about downtrodden and abused communities of poor people around the world. Many Americans probably feel that an interest in the plight of the poor is "left-leaning" these days, unfortunately....
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bohratom
Jersey Shore is back again.

join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ
reply to Greg2600

Re: Al Jazeera Buys Al Gore's Current TV

said by Greg2600:

CNN is "middle of the road" and their ratings are horrible. MSNBC and FOX News blister them.

CNN has the highest advertising fees of any cable news network. People may not watch them as much as Foxnews or Msnbc but they trust them.


Greg2600

join:2008-05-20
Belleville, NJ
reply to stevek1949
CNN is "middle of the road" and their ratings are horrible. MSNBC and FOX News blister them.


bohratom
Jersey Shore is back again.

join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ
reply to stevek1949
Regarding the subject of programming, Al Jazeera English would be crazy to keep any of the far left hosts. I mean just think about this for a second, many Americans do not like Al Jazeera because they feel they provided a platform for Al Queda in the media. Just imagine if they kept any hosts, they would lose the vast majority of Americans because of the perception of bias.

If they have any hope of gaining a majority of American viewers they have to tack to the middle of the road. If not the network will not survive just like CurrentTv did not.

UnnDunn
Premium
join:2005-12-21
Brooklyn, NY
reply to Greg2600
said by Greg2600:

No one has said the channel was changing formats either.

Al-Jazeera is reportedly setting up a new base in New York specifically to create content for this new channel.

UnnDunn
Premium
join:2005-12-21
Brooklyn, NY
reply to bushleaguer
said by bushleaguer:

Fios already added Al-Jazeera English (don't remember what channel it is), so wouldn't this be a case of redundancy? They can drop one or the other and still provide the programming.

Al-Jazeera English is broadcast over-the-air on subchannels in various markets around the country. In those areas, must-carry rules force Verizon to carry it as well.

This new channel will reportedly not be the same as the Al-Jazeera English that we have now. It will be an all-new channel based in New York providing content tailored for the US market.


Njdny12

@verizon.net
reply to stevek1949
Keep. The idea that we are voting on whether to keep or remove a channel because of a change in ownership is stupid. Let's can some of the redundant reality nets from Comcast or time Warner or can ESPN ocho and save coin that way. This is red scare2.0. Stupid then, stupid now.


Greg2600

join:2008-05-20
Belleville, NJ
reply to stevek1949
No one has said the channel was changing formats either.

RadioBob

join:2008-03-31
Severna Park, MD
reply to PJL
Woudn't mind if fios carried it at least for a while...Kind of like to see what sort of coverage it would feature.

PJL

join:2008-07-24
Long Beach, CA
kudos:4
reply to bushleaguer
bushleaguer, Al-Jazeera English may be available in some markets (like around Washington DC), but not in Southern California. I searched your zip code and couldn't find it there either.

bushleaguer

join:2007-01-22
Gillette, NJ
reply to stevek1949
Fios already added Al-Jazeera English (don't remember what channel it is), so wouldn't this be a case of redundancy? They can drop one or the other and still provide the programming.

PJL

join:2008-07-24
Long Beach, CA
kudos:4
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to bohratom
said by bohratom:

said by PJL:

Not necessarily. The Time Warner contract had a clause that allowed dropping the channel if the channel's ownership changed, which is what happened. Verizon's contract may have a similar clause.

They also can sever a contract if the programming changes dramatically as it will in this case.

Again, it depends solely on the terms and conditions of the individual contract. A contract would define the specific conditions which allow a party to terminate the contract, and unless "dramatic program changes" is a clause (which I doubt it would be unless "dramatic" was clearly defined), then a "dramatic program change" wouldn't allow terminating the contract.


bohratom
Jersey Shore is back again.

join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ
reply to PJL
said by PJL:

Not necessarily. The Time Warner contract had a clause that allowed dropping the channel if the channel's ownership changed, which is what happened. Verizon's contract may have a similar clause.

They also can sever a contract if the programming changes dramatically as it will in this case.

PJL

join:2008-07-24
Long Beach, CA
kudos:4
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to Greg2600
said by Greg2600:

Verizon cannot drop a channel on the spot, it depends on when the contract is up.

...

Not necessarily. The Time Warner contract had a clause that allowed dropping the channel if the channel's ownership changed, which is what happened. Verizon's contract may have a similar clause.

Time Warner didn't want to pay and charge their customers for a channel that had a free Internet feed, which Al Jazeera has, including Windows 8 and Android apps to access the live feed that work well (beyond web browser access).


nascar

join:2000-02-28
Verona, NJ
kudos:3
reply to stevek1949
I want BeIN though, same owner, but it's Futbol.


Greg2600

join:2008-05-20
Belleville, NJ
reply to stevek1949
Verizon cannot drop a channel on the spot, it depends on when the contract is up.

However, that TW article is important because you're going to see more and more of that. Non-sports will be dropped because of the massive sports fees. Which is why I have been so against BeIN and PAC-12, etc.


somebodeez
Premium,MVM
join:2001-09-24
here
reply to stevek1949

chitchatjf

join:2008-07-13
Lawrence, MA
reply to stevek1949
put me on the list of folks who say drop it.
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Acct101
Premium
join:2011-09-20
Bensalem, PA
reply to stevek1949

Re: Al Jazeera Buys Al Gore's Current TV

I hope they drop it.


bohratom
Jersey Shore is back again.

join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ
reply to stevek1949
Never watched , wont watch it...don't care...


Webcobbler

@verizon.net
reply to nascar
I agree. Drop the channel. I never wanted to watch it, ever. It's a useless channel in my opinion.

billhere

join:2011-10-21
Santa Monica, CA
reply to Jackarino
I watched Current once or twice when Keith was still there.

It's not an HD channel so I won't miss it if it's dropped.