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Grail Knight

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reply to OZO

Re: France's ISP deploys ad blocking via firmware update

quote:
It's just semantics... The bottom line is - I'm already paying for visiting your site.
Not really and it is not just semantics unless you really think by paying your ISP you are paying for online content which is not really the case. You pay your ISP for access to online content which is paid for by others be they individuals, companies, schools, etc....
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red2

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reply to OZO
It isn't semantics.

You paid for your television. Where does that say that this entitles you to programming? You either pay for it or the advertiser pays for it. Whether you like it or not, that's just the way it is. In fact, in most European countries you are forced to pay an annual tv tax to the state for the freely available programming. (Some even tried to impose a tv tax on tablets and smartphones, but a consumer uproar stopped that..at least for now.) So what entitles you to get things for free?

"Visiting" a site doesn't pay them UNLESS they provide advertising on the site and then can charge based on the eyeballs delivered. If not that, please explain how you pay them? How does your doing them a "favor" by visiting, pay them?

The fact that the internet has been exploited by companies shouldn't surprise anyone. And I'm not convinced it is all doom and gloom. What IS important is that the WAYS it is exploited should be transparent. So if each site maintains that you've made a "contract' with them, there are a lot of contracts being "signed" each day and that might include selling your data, owning your photos, delivering you ads, tracking your movements, etc. If you are apprised of all these agreements you are making in a clear and transparent manner (rather than having to read a a TOS every time you visit a site), then if you agree to them, you've only got yourself to blame.

I find the issues regarding smartphones to be far more insidious and disturbing than advertising. A google search update gives them new permissions to use my camera without my permission, read my text messages, etc. I refused to update. But as google search was pre-installed on my phone, what permissions do they already have and why do android users NOT have any control over what permissions are granted by default? It's another all or nothing game.

That is a far more disturbing issue than advertising.


red2

@wanadoo.fr
reply to OZO
It is now being reported that Free (the ISP in question) will deactivate the automatic blockage. »www.lefigaro.fr/hightech/2013/01···iser.php

Two interesting facts:

(1) Free is reported to be "in negotiations" with Google. So perhaps this was just a gambit to get Google to pay them for access to their network or have all of Google's advertising capabilities blocked.

(2) Free has been asked to explain their actions to the France's Minister de l'Économie Numérique. So as is the case in many things, the government will intervene and decide what is "free" commerce and what is not.

Both of those facts are perhaps even more troubling than the ad blockage.

HELLFIRE
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#1 more so than #2. Doesn't the French government have a (bad) habit of gettings its fingers and hands alittle
too much into economics in general? Interesting update nonetheless red2.

Regards


DrStrange
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reply to antdude
According to Agence France-Presse, they've stopped blocking ads.

»www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/08/f···ine-ads/

OZO
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reply to red2
I guess it was an attempt to get some money from Google:
France Considers Charging Google for Network Capacity - Bloomberg
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Mele20
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Ugh. Chicken or egg. Without both you have neither....what is content with no pipe to access it or a pipe with nothing to access?
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Dude111
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reply to mmainprize

 

What is 1 such site that makes you view thier ads?? (I wanna try it and see if it loads w/o having to do so)


goalieskates
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reply to FFH5

Re: France's ISP deploys ad blocking via firmware update

said by FFH5:

And for the web sites that stop working completely when their ads are blocked? How does that put the user in control?

Better to do without those sites. When their visits go down, they'll figure it out.

If you think about it, sites that try to force you already have taken away user control.