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reply to dillyhammer

Re: Teksavvy Voltage motion - Looking for some advice

said by dillyhammer:

If people stand around and do nothing, how the hell are ISPs going to get the message the handing off our private information is a bad thing?

What people need to do is make this experience as painful as possible, so that any ISP considering giving up the info at the drop of a hat thinks twice.

If the ISP gets served a court order, they have to comply or get charged with contempt for the court which could have some rather nasty consequence for the company... imagine a search warrant where the police brings down the routers and servers for investigation because the ISP refuses to cooperate. If the search discovers evidence that the ISP deleted records after they were made aware of the search warrant, the ISP and its employees may also get charged with destruction of evidence.

So, unless the ISP's owners and employees are willing to get criminally charged and/or have their business shut down for an undetermined period of time while their offices and installations are being stormed by investigators, there isn't much they can legally do to object to court orders once they have been issued.


A Lurker
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reply to MaynardKrebs

said by MaynardKrebs:

And Google could be raided and shut down today in the same way Megaupload was, and for the same reasons - facilitation. But Google ain't going to get raided and shutdown cuz they're an Amurrican company big enough to cause lots of people lots of pain.

A search engine might be a tough fight on facilitation.

However, YouTube? When was the last time you were looking for a song on there and couldn't find it?
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abcjak

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reply to A Lurker

Re: Teksavvy Voltage motion - Looking for some advice

said by A Lurker:

said by MaynardKrebs:

And Google could be raided and shut down today in the same way Megaupload was, and for the same reasons - facilitation. But Google ain't going to get raided and shutdown cuz they're an Amurrican company big enough to cause lots of people lots of pain.

A search engine might be a tough fight on facilitation.

However, YouTube? When was the last time you were looking for a song on there and couldn't find it?

the caching on google would fall under the same concept as the NNTP decision. tons of porn, copyrighted material and illegal stuff is stored on their servers just like it is on a long retention NNTP server on a big newsfeed.


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said by abcjak:

the caching on google would fall under the same concept as the NNTP decision. tons of porn, copyrighted material and illegal stuff is stored on their servers just like it is on a long retention NNTP server on a big newsfeed.

I didn't think about caching. I admit I never use Google.


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said by A Lurker:

said by abcjak:

the caching on google would fall under the same concept as the NNTP decision. tons of porn, copyrighted material and illegal stuff is stored on their servers just like it is on a long retention NNTP server on a big newsfeed.

I didn't think about caching. I admit I never use Google.

Bing? Yahoo? They're all the same.
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