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elefante72

join:2010-12-03
East Amherst, NY
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to Dan Jones

Re: Remember that's an average

Well data is data and it's borked because Sprint has totally screwed the pooch in Buffalo. I won't get into statistics, but then again this is why we have a trillion dollar deficit....

However:

1 Verizon - LTE - I get 10 Mbps on my ipad. One of the early LTE cities.
2. AT&T LTE footprint in the core up a running. Even 3G is about 2Mbps/. Again one of the early cities
3. Tmobile - They have refarmed in my area (North of Buffalo) and has 42 fauxG, and my SO straighttalk tmo cell gets over 2Mbps regularly. Since I have a beef w/ AT&T, I use it. Even when I go into the sticks I still get reliable EDGE
4. Cricket - Shady outside the core but fine for metro.
5. Sprint - Totally sucks. I ditched VM for ST because on a good day I could get less that EDGE speeds. Lucky to get 128kbps. Also wimax never came because the border w/ Canada slowed deployment and then wimax was dead, so I guess they saved $$$.

So if I can guess, Buffalo comes in dead last because Sprint/Wimax which is stupid, because all of the other major networks are top tier here. So the moral of the story is: Skip Sprint.....

Oh, and I am writing this from my FIOS connection at 50/25.

These numbers don't even talk coverage, so it's useless. We are in Verizon country, so it's like a nice warm red blanket up here. This causes the other vendors (except Sprint) to compete and the coverage has gotten way better in the last two years.

And I will say this for Sprint: Even though VM 3G was really crappy, Mrs never dropped a voice call and texting always worked. It was only $25 a month...


Dan Jones

@rr.com
RootMetrics also surveyed Leap & MetroPCS, who weren't even getting close to 1-Mbit/s down in some areas. So they really pull the numbers down.

No carrier has 100% coverage of 4G LTE in any market as far as I know. Last I heard, Verizon was close to 90% coverage in some of its top performing LTE markets, AT&T around 80%. Sprint is pushing out LTE markets as soon as it gets street-level in enough areas, so can be, er, shall we say patchy?

DJ


MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
kudos:1
reply to elefante72
Even though Sprint is bad, Sprint is bad nationwide, they aren't helping but their not the entire reason either.

Those 3G numbers for AT&T and T-mobile aren't great.
In my area AT&T FauxG is 3 - 6 mbps, and T-mobile FauxG averages 4 - 12 mbps, and we only have HSPA+ 21 , not 42
Maybe they need to upgrade their backhaul in your area.

Happydude32
Premium
join:2005-07-16
kudos:1
reply to elefante72
quote:
5. Sprint - Totally sucks. I ditched VM for ST because on a good day I could get less that EDGE speeds. Lucky to get 128kbps. Also wimax never came because the border w/ Canada slowed deployment and then wimax was dead, so I guess they saved $$$.
That is not true at all. Clear was in danger of losing their licenses because they promised that they’d have a certain number of markets launched by a certain date. I forget the specifics but you can look it up if you care to. Buffalo just happened to be one of those markets where wimax service was ‘launched’ (and I use that term very loosely) unofficially with no announcement, in very limited areas. Speeds are not as high as in real wimax markets but still can hit 6-10 Mb down and the standard 1.5Mb Up.

Small pockets of Buffalo have 4G Wimax service from Clear/Sprint and have had it for a year and a half or so now. Most notability on and all along the 33 Expressway on the East side and by ECMC. Supposably some of the Sprint towers by the airport are also lite up with wimax. But I never paid attention, but I know for a fact there is wimax on the East side, I connected to it many times on my Evo 3D. Also, there are a lot of small isolated pockets of wimax all over the country, the ones we can relate to are down in the Southern Tier. Hornell, Alfred, Olean, Wellsville, Salamanca and I believe Bradford, PA all have wimax. Last year, one Saturday I drove all over down there, the speeds are and would average 7-8Mb downstream in each one of those areas. You can check out the maps if you like. These unofficial areas are not listed on Sprints coverage maps, but they’re in light green on Clears website. Me and my buddy were at the Wegman’s in Hornell, he can barely get a signal on the almighty Verizon Wireless and I’m testing at around 7Mb with the lowly Sprint.

I used to be in the Rochester area three days a week for work, now I’m down to one. Rochester and Syracuse were among the first wimax markets. The Sprint 4G speeds were phenomenal. I was in Rochester on the second day wimax was first turned on. As time went by coverage got much better and speeds increased.

This is what I got in the Village of East Rochester on Sprint 4G Wimax. That was my best result, but in the general area I would average 10-13 Mb down.


This is what I got a few weeks ago right in the heart of downtown Buffalo parked in front of the HSBC Tower a few minutes before 7AM on Verizon 4G LTE.


As much as I HATE Verizon and their half-sister company, Cell Co, DBA Verizon Wireless, after almost a decade with Nextel and Sprint I terminated my relationship with them and switched to the Spawn of Satan, Verizon Wireless. In the month and a half I’ve been a VZW customer, I could not be more disappointed with the LTE speeds. I have yet to be anywhere that achieves speeds faster than that Sprint result and LTE is supposed to be some super awesome thing. I’m not expecting 24/7 30Mb downstream on a cell phone, but being able to break the 20Mb barrier would give me some faith. Mark my words, as soon as Sprint launches LTE in Buffalo (and its in the works as their network now reads as eHRPD in most of the Buffalo area) I will be gone from this garbage company, so long as Sprint offers a handset equal or better than my Droid DNA. The slow 3G speeds combined with lack of high end phones are the reasons why I jumped ship. And I’m not afraid of breaking contracts and paying ETFs. I ditched AT&T a little over a year to for Sprint because I couldn’t take using the iPhone any longer. I paid an ETF with AT&T. I re-up’d my Sprint contract in June of 2011 when the Evo 3D came up, I bought the Evo LTE at full retail, and last month I paid the ETF with about 7 months left to go on that contract. So in about a year or so once Sprint has high LTE penetration in the Buffalo and Rochester markets, and if they can partner with HTC to provide a state of the art super premium handset, I will pay that ETF with Verizon with a smile on my face and go back home to Sprint.

Your thing about Canada, actually applies to Verizon not Sprint, and Buffalo was by no means one of the first markets for Verizon LTE. In 2011 Canada went through the over the air analog TV shutdown that the US did a few years ago. Due to the frequencies used, Verizon could not launch LTE in Buffalo until this happened. Many other smaller markets (including Rochester and Albany) got LTE before Buffalo.

»www.wivb.com/dpp/news/buffalo/Wh···services

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Smith6612
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join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
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I can't blame you for hating on Wireless speeds around here Steve. I've played with Verizon Wireless' LTE speeds in this area and they are a disaster. Sometimes I'd hit 60Mbps+ on the downstream, 25Mbps upload and then the next moment I'd hit a paultry 3Mbps down, 5Mbps up. It definitely isn't 3G because that would have only hit 2.8Mbps/700kbps on an uncongested tower. Out where I am, AT&T and Verizon are the ones who have LTE available. Verizon's is spotty at best along with AT&T's. Unfortunately Sprint isn't doing well either. The problem is due to the cruddy connectivity the towers have out here, along with the huge dependence people seem to have on Cellular data where it shouldn't even need to be used (you know, where Wi-Fi or Ethernet/Wired is available). Not to mention, there are a lot of homes out where I am that have no choice what so ever but to use cell phone Internet or use Satellite.

The location where I got 60+Mbps was in Amherst, NY none the less. Boulevard Mall before the Verizon Wireless booth there replaced all the working models with basic models. But regardless, everywhere I go in Buffalo the LTE speeds are a massive rollercoaster.

Happydude32
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join:2005-07-16
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My 50Mb test I posted was taken on the corner of NF Blvd and E. Robinson. Amherst seems to be the only town with the occasional burst of insane LTE speeds. Which is surprising. I would have thought all the kids at UB would be sucking the towers dry. Speeds in the city and in the south towns are disappointing. Down south in Silver Creek, Dunkirk/Fredonia I can get 15-20Mb down. Down in Lawtons in the middle of nowhere there’s a VZW tower right on RT 62, never been able to hit higher than 8Mb on that one. I have yet to get anything about 8Mb on the upstream.

Out here in Marilla, we have no 4G service, when heading north, LTE fades out a little south of the 400 ramps on Transit near the West Seneca/Elma boarder and it’s not seen again for a while. 3G speeds aren’t bad actually, I get around 0.5-12Mb down, when I actually have 3G. Right now I’m stuck in 1X and the signal is poor to barley acceptable for voice, but the same can be said for AT&T and Sprint.



Personally, I’d rather use my own cellular data connection then even think about using wifi. Public wifi is, well just icky! When I had Sprint, I had a USB modem, infact it’s still active, and with Verizon I also have a USB stick for my laptop. I would never in a million years connect a device that contains my personal data on a public wifi network. When I was in Ohio over the summer, I connected to Sprints wimax network and had excellent luck streaming video. Screw that free hotel wifi junk! Even when using smartphones and tablets where maleware isn’t a concern, I do a lot of banking and other account management on my phone and tablet and want a more secure connection. Even at home, the only time I really ever use wifi is when I share out media on it to my TV or home theater receiver via DLNA. Even if I have a few app updates, I’ll let the updates download on slow 3G or the snail 1XRTT network. I don’t really use my phone much at home, so I don’t care if it sits there and downloads at 6kbps for the next 6 hours.
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iPhone: 4” 1136 X 640 Display, 1.30 GHz Dual Core Processor, 1 GB RAM
MyPhone: 5” 1920 X 1080 Display, 1.50 GHz Quad Core Processor, 2 GB RAM
So tell me, why is exactly is the iPhone so great?
Droid Does What Jobs Won’t Let You Do.


Smith6612
Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:25
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Agreed on the Hotel/Public Wi-Fi deal. Even if security were not so much of an issue, the fact that the connections are either horribly slow or broken has pointed me to use a cellular modem to connect which worked fine.

What you get as you check LTE service is about what it is for me. As I head North, LTE service starts to fade in and out and speeds decline a good deal regardless of distance to the tower. LTE service here despite having 4-5 bars 3G and 1X gives us 3-4 bars LTE which goes away for hours at a time. When it comes in, the highest it ever goes is 5Mbps/1Mbps. Granted we are in an "Extended LTE" area as they state.