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Re: My addition will take almost 2 miles of Cat 6 said by GadgetsRme: Anyone denigrating his choice is really out of line. Saying you wouldn't do it that way is one thing, being critical calling it stupid or any other similar adjective is another and really not acceptable.
you know that dslreports are forums right? where anybody can voice out their opinion whether it's right or wrong and however the OP chooses to digest those is up to him...
bottomline is everybody or rather most who have read and or posted just can't understand his planned network. if gaming is his forte, nobody's questioning that.
if he offered more details as to why, then maybe we could have all understood a little better but there wasn't any.
but you know what, I would love to see pics of this install, location and all...maybe even when it's in use...with all that wiring, his house might be a good cover candidate for Electronic House magazine...but wait, he didn't say how many speaker runs of 12 gage in wall rated wire he did.... |
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| said by medbuyer:said by GadgetsRme: Anyone denigrating his choice is really out of line. Saying you wouldn't do it that way is one thing, being critical calling it stupid or any other similar adjective is another and really not acceptable.
but wait, he didn't say how many speaker runs of 12 gage in wall rated wire he did.... Probably like 8 drops every 72 inches. |
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Hell I am not going to lie, I am jealous! I wish I could do something like that in the house we own right now. You know how nice it would be and it would also clean up a lot of cables laying around.
Congrats on that, nice job
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| said by MSauk:Hell I am not going to lie, I am jealous! I wish I could do something like that in the house we own right now. You know how nice it would be and it would also clean up a lot of cables laying around.
Congrats on that, nice job
no way to fish new cables?
if I could do it all over again, I'd do 4 outlets too but only 2 runs of cat6 and 2 runs of rg6 per room. kitchen, living room, family room, front, garage and back door entrances and the garage itself get 2 cat6 and 2 coax each, not counting the thermostats and security panel..but the biggest splurge would be the media room or home theater room or even the family room, i'd say a dozen cat6 and a dozen coax, fiber and hdmi as planned per home theater equipment needs.
others have advocated running conduit so you can add / replace cables easily but that depends on the structure of the house if it's feasible... |
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Hacienda Heights, CA | reply to GadgetsRme
said by GadgetsRme:Anyone denigrating his choice is really out of line. Saying you wouldn't do it that way is one thing, being critical calling it stupid or any other similar adjective is another and really not acceptable. i brought the rationale up because i question it on a more fundamental level. if you'd prefer, you can imagine that the extent of my criticism left off at suggesting pandora install large-bore low-voltage conduit that's easy to fish cables through, if he were going to go through the trouble to do all that cabling anyway. he certainly doesn't appear to be cost-adverse or reluctant to over-engineer.
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said by medbuyer:said by MSauk:Hell I am not going to lie, I am jealous! I wish I could do something like that in the house we own right now. You know how nice it would be and it would also clean up a lot of cables laying around.
Congrats on that, nice job
no way to fish new cables? if I could do it all over again, I'd do 4 outlets too but only 2 runs of cat6 and 2 runs of rg6 per room. kitchen, living room, family room, front, garage and back door entrances and the garage itself get 2 cat6 and 2 coax each, not counting the thermostats and security panel..but the biggest splurge would be the media room or home theater room or even the family room, i'd say a dozen cat6 and a dozen coax, fiber and hdmi as planned per home theater equipment needs. others have advocated running conduit so you can add / replace cables easily but that depends on the structure of the house if it's feasible... To be honest I wouldn't know how to do it. I would have to pay it out to someone.
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said by MSauk:To be honest I wouldn't know how to do it. I would have to pay it out to someone.
and there's nothing wrong with paying somebody to do it as long as they do it properly.
it takes off the blame from yourself if something goes wrong...lol |
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said by nocannothave:I don't mind having a switch in my "busy" rooms (office, server, and media), but one less device would be nice. Take that saved money and invest in a bitchin' managed switch to cover the whole house.
it's intriguing how much money the OP spent to have all those wires laid out, marked, fastened etc...
knowing the OP is in CT, it might be a good sum....if I remember correctly, when I had my house built, the low voltage guy was charging me somewhere $50-75 i think per cable run in addition to what the bldg. plans called for. |
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fridges may have an Ethernet port in the future, but all appliances that will be connected will be wireless or over power line. Why? Nobody likes having 1 cord, nevermind 2 running to a device. A fridge is a little easier because it doesn't move and the cords are hidden behind.
On top of that, 99.99% of houses simply aren't wired for it. If you're marketing a product, you're going to make it work for as many people as you can, not just the people who have prewired their house with an rj45 everywhere. By solely having an RJ 45 on a device you limit it to very few homes, whereas the majority of people who have Internet have wireless (I'm sure a small fraction of high speed don't have wireless, dial up is a different story). Every device needs power though which makes powerline more probable than ethernet |
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said by medbuyer:said by MSauk:To be honest I wouldn't know how to do it. I would have to pay it out to someone.
and there's nothing wrong with paying somebody to do it as long as they do it properly. it takes off the blame from yourself if something goes wrong...lol haha, nice!
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said by pandora:You are amazingly close. There are 4 outlets in each bedroom, each outlet has 7 Cat 6 and 3 Coax run to it. The average run is about 50-70' (more toward the center of the house).
Each room will have 28 Cat 6 and 12 RG 6 coax in 4 locations. The media area has 16 Cat 6 (in a 1U bracket) and 16 20 amp outlets connected via a home run to the breaker box, with 4 RG 6 Coax. Bathroom has 2 Cat 6, kitchen area has 2 Cat 6 to each of 3 outlets with 2 RG 6 Coax. Above each exterior door is both an RG 6 and a Cat 6 (allows me to run an IP or Coax camera over the doors). I LOVE this idea and you are making it a reality; however, you and I both know it's a bit overkill. You did bring up a GREAT idea though, the CAT6/RG6 above the doors is brilliant. If anyone has tried to retro-fit at the corners, y'all understand. Hell, what's 10K' of cabling? Two rolls? Don't worry about the nay-sayers, I love this. Best now at the build rather than later when the good-idea fairy pokes around. XD
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| said by ImpldConsent:Hell, what's 10K' of cabling? Two rolls?
Yes, those ubiquitous mile-long spools of CAT6. Two of those.
Or, more in line with reality, 10+ 1000 foot boxes. |
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| said by Oedipus:said by ImpldConsent:Hell, what's 10K' of cabling? Two rolls?
Yes, those ubiquitous mile-long spools of CAT6. Two of those. Or, more in line with reality, 10+ 1000 foot boxes. I purchased cat5e for $3?? for a 1000 ft roll, only when they didn't have anything stocked anywhere across the country did the supplier bother to mention I could get a 5000 ft spool for $800.... point being 5000 feet is a common spool size.
When I ordered fiber, it came off a 42,000 foot spool |
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said by ImpldConsent:I LOVE this idea and you are making it a reality; however, you and I both know it's a bit overkill. You did bring up a GREAT idea though, the CAT6/RG6 above the doors is brilliant. If anyone has tried to retro-fit at the corners, y'all understand. Hell, what's 10K' of cabling? Two rolls? Don't worry about the nay-sayers, I love this. Best now at the build rather than later when the good-idea fairy pokes around. XD
Thanks for your support, I know it's overkill. The sheet rock goes up on Wednesday through Friday in the addition. Just before sheet rock goes up, Dish network is arriving to install 6 Joey's and 2 Hoppers. Each child will have a Joey in their room, connected up to a Hopper with integrated sling in the living room.
In addition to the Joey, each child has 1 PS3 with PS2 capability, 1 smart tv, 1 Xbox 360, 1 PC, 1 Obitalk or Ooma device for land phone calls, 1 Wii with USB wired Ethernet and eventually one Wii-U. We also have basic local cable from Comcast viewable via a HD homerun prime via Xbox 360's. The Joey requires both an Ethernet and a Coax connection as does the Hopper which will be in the living room of the addition.
As best I can determine each child will require 6 active Ethernet devices with current hardware and one active Coax cable. Unused cables will not be exposed to the room and will have blanks placed in the outlet cover.
If a Wii-U is added, each child will want 7 Ethernet cables. My expectation is sooner or later someone will want an 8th, 9th and 10th and we'll try to re-arrange furniture. It seems there is almost always a need (new DVR, whatever) for something new to be network attached.
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Hacienda Heights, CA | reply to ImpldConsent
said by ImpldConsent:said by pandora:Above each exterior door is both an RG 6 and a Cat 6 (allows me to run an IP or Coax camera over the doors). I LOVE this idea and you are making it a reality i mis-read this originally, i thought it was over the bedroom doors.
just as an aside - good security placement for cameras is typically away from the doorway entrance. less chance of being seen, usually harder access for someone to mess with before they take the house, and typically a better view of the area around the house (right above the door is typically very narrow field of view). you may want to run some cables to more clandestine areas around the upper eaves of the house, as well as to somewhere where you can bury a cable or two to run to a camera mounted in a nearby tree.
pandora - what are you using for a headend for the hdhomerun to get the signal and channel changing to the tvs?
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| said by jig:pandora - what are you using for a headend for the hdhomerun to get the signal and channel changing to the tvs?
re the security cameras they are to the side of the exterior doors. Also when the alarm is on, 3 interior cameras will be facing doors and several first floor windows. 2 cameras will be observing the stairway. there are other security capabilities being installed, but those won't be introduced into this discussion.
As for hd homerun prime it is activated with a Comcast card to descramble the channels (note the HDhomerun is not the same as the HDhomerun prime, the prime supports a cable card to descramble) ... a 1U Windows 7 server running Blue Iris and Homesser will have Windows media center with the hdhomerun software installed. Xbox 360's are able to display recorded data from the HD homerun prime. I have a local channel subscription on my Comcast business account which costs $5 per month. The server uses an I7 3770K with 16 GB of RAM and is underclocked to lower power consumption.
Today, I started a change of satellite provider, from DirecTV to Dish network. Dish will be installing 2 Hoppers with integrated sling (this is the new CES 2013 updated Hopper) and 6 Joey's allowing each child to have a Joey with a Hopper in their shared living room.
Another Hopper with integrated sling will be installed in the master bedroom, and 3 satellite Joey's will be installed in the legacy home to manage viewing off the master bedroom Hopper.
The Windows server for prime, has a 128 GB boot drive and a 3 TB mechanical drive to hold video storage.
Is that helpful? Besides the above, a legacy X10 network (which is being phased out) is being updated with Insteon and Z-Wave devices. A security protocol interface is also being installed which will allow my home automation system to interact with the alarm system.
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said by pandora:In addition to the Joey, each child has 1 PS3 with PS2 capability, 1 smart tv, 1 Xbox 360, 1 PC, 1 Obitalk or Ooma device for land phone calls, 1 Wii with USB wired Ethernet and eventually one Wii-U. We also have basic local cable from Comcast viewable via a HD homerun prime via Xbox 360's. The Joey requires both an Ethernet and a Coax connection as does the Hopper which will be in the living room of the addition.
As best I can determine each child will require 6 active Ethernet devices with current hardware and one active Coax cable. Unused cables will not be exposed to the room and will have blanks placed in the outlet cover.
If a Wii-U is added, each child will want 7 Ethernet cables. My expectation is sooner or later someone will want an 8th, 9th and 10th and we'll try to re-arrange furniture. It seems there is almost always a need (new DVR, whatever) for something new to be network attached.
each child has one of those tech toys?
PS3
Smart TV
Xbox 360
PC
Obitalk / Ooma
Wii
Wii-U
if you don't mind me asking, how many kids do you have?
can't they converge in one room and play there instead of having to wire all of their rooms and risk the possibility of them just being in their room all the time? |
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| said by medbuyer:if you don't mind me asking, how many kids do you have?
can't they converge in one room and play there instead of having to wire all of their rooms and risk the possibility of them just being in their room all the time?
In 3 common areas outside of bedrooms there is a super-set of the capability within each bedroom. The kids can congregate corporeally, virtually, or play by themselves in private rooms or in open living areas. It is often fun to see what they come up with.
IMO many people haven't learned master technology and instead are subordinate to or worse clueless about it. Having access to technology and knowing how to use it appropriately and to fit it into a life, are learning issues that have been ignored IMO.
I've seen so many technology starved kids get an X-Box 360 and Call of Duty then vanish unsupervised into a private bedroom for long periods of time unsupervised. My kids have access to any game they want, none have found any FPS of interest. Generally I'll try and take time the kids activity several times an afternoon if they are home.
Access doesn't equal addition or isolation, my children have been immersed in IT for many years, it is like having a fridge, dishwasher or TV. All my kids have had cell phones since first grade. None have been lost or damaged. Currently all children have smart phones.
My belief is many parents aren't involved in teaching children how to manage the technology they encounter and how to adapt as it evolves. This may be due to the majority of parents being technologically behind their own kids.
My youngest child has been with dslreports for 5 years. His anniversary is early next month, and it'll be 6. My oldest minor child has been with this site for a decade.
So far, the thing they liked best in this thread was the joke about the worlds most interesting man and 28 drops per room. My son re-created it and put it by his bedroom door.
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