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Speedy Petey

join:2008-01-19

reply to pandora

Re: My addition will take almost 2 miles of Cat 6

said by pandora:

Each of my kids has 1 Xbox 360, 1 PS3 (bc with PS2), 1 wii, 1 PC, and 1 smart TV, 1 wired VOIP device, 1 network connected DVR, in addition to 1 laptop (often used wirelessly), 1 tablet (also wireless). Some kids have a small network printer / scanner.

I can't be certain where the kids will want their stuff to plug in. Only active ethernet cables need to be connected to a switch. It is possible the majority of cables will be unused for long periods of time.

I'm very tired of messy 8 port unmanaged switches sitting on the floor in a room. They not only are an eyesore, but they take a power slot.

EACH kid??? This make it all clearer.
Basically you are telling us that your kids are profoundly spoiled and that's the reason for all that cable.

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said by SwedishRider:

I have a DIR-655 router (which isn't even dual band), and I've streamed HD video alongside computer use with no problems. Then again, I don't have 17 Xboxes, 36 computers and 6 printers running simultaneously alongside the HD video.

For me, the convenience wins. Maybe I just don't have high demands of my equipment... but to each their own.

I tried a Vizio smart HDTV via wireless where my router was about 1' away from the TV. I couldn't stream HD video from Hulu Plus or Amazon without buffering issues. Amazon was smart enough to suggest switching to standard definition.

I wish wireless worked better, but for sustained HD streams, it's tough in my experience.
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fifty nine

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reply to pike

said by pike:

You also have quite a bit of overlapping technology there and most people don't go for that level of redundancy. A network switch is the ideal solution in this scenario as you're not likely to be using more than 2 (or even 1) of those devices at a time in any high-bandwidth demand.

I don't like using switches. I like everything home run. That way upgrading to a newer technology like 10 gig is easy, just replace the main switch and I'm done.

There's overlap but each device has services that the other doesn't have. The Smart TV has amazon instant video, while Apple obviously doesn't. Apple TV has AirPlay mirroring, the network receiver has siriusXM streaming radio and the XBOX is used for windows media center. The nice thing about the network receiver is I can leave the TV off while listening to the streaming radio.

My blu-ray player doesn't have streaming but it has bd-live. BD also requires periodic firmware updates to play newer discs. It's easier to do this over the network.


alkizmo

join:2007-06-25
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reply to pandora
For new constructions I can understand multiple outlets per room, maybe one per wall.

Eventually it's overkill to put multiple outlets per wall in a bedroom. You don't like switches but I'm sure that a switch can easily fit in the same shelf as the PS3, Xbox360, Wii, TV, etc etc.

Laptops typically run on WiFi, you can plug them in, but who bothers?

For existing constructions, the effort to get one outlet per bedroom is already a lot, so there's no point to go ahead and put a ton unless you KNOW you need them at said specific location.

MatrixHDV, what program is that? Can it be run on a router? Im curious of what noise is around my house, even if it's a single detached home with brick walls.


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reply to pandora

said by pandora:

I tried a Vizio smart HDTV via wireless where my router was about 1' away from the TV. I couldn't stream HD video from Hulu Plus or Amazon without buffering issues. Amazon was smart enough to suggest switching to standard definition.

I wish wireless worked better, but for sustained HD streams, it's tough in my experience.

Get a better access point.

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reply to fifty nine

said by fifty nine:

I don't like using switches. I like everything home run. That way upgrading to a newer technology like 10 gig is easy, just replace the main switch and I'm done.

Wish you the best on getting 10G on CAT6.

MatrixHDV

join:2012-09-25
Tuscaloosa, AL

reply to alkizmo

said by alkizmo:

MatrixHDV, what program is that? Can it be run on a router? Im curious of what noise is around my house, even if it's a single detached home with brick walls.

Not sure if the dongle is still available but it probably can be had from e-bay used or maybe another type USB dongle might work but the app can be downloaded here.

»www.ubnt.com/airview/downloads
»www.ubnt.com/airview

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said by ke4pym:

Get a better access point.

Most of the wire is run and there is no problem (for me).

My cost will be approximately $4,000 for installation and $1,000 - $1,200 for all cables and connectors once it's all up. I'm comfortable with this. Others may not be. The server cost $600, I'll probably be paying nearly 1K per 48 port switch x 1 or 2. Cameras run $100 a piece times about 9.

In each bedroom, I anticipate one nearly full box of 7 Ethernet connectors used, and the other boxes mostly unused. I will only connect active cable to a switch (aside for testing).

I have yet to get very good streaming from any access point, and when multiple devices are streaming, failure is always the result.

You may have a different situation and better experience. For me, this is a solution that works. I was just amazed to think of wires by the mile instead of by the foot or meter which is how I usually think of them.
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TA63
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reply to pandora
Success at streaming also depends on what is being streamed.
Is it a 700 mb hour long show, or is it an 8 gig hour long show?

Different people have different standards.
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mattmag
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reply to pandora

said by pandora:

I was just amazed to think of wires by the mile instead of by the foot or meter which is how I usually think of them.

That's OK, we were all amazed by 7 network cable runs per wall plate....

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said by TA63:

Success at streaming also depends on what is being streamed.

I have no idea what the bandwidth of Netflix, Hulu plus or Amazon HD videos are. Those and youtube account for almost all streaming. It is not uncommon for 3 or 4 streams to be active at once in the house.
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Speedy Petey

join:2008-01-19

said by pandora:

I have no idea what the bandwidth of Netflix, Hulu plus or Amazon HD videos are. Those and youtube account for almost all streaming. It is not uncommon for 3 or 4 streams to be active at once in the house.

Funny. I have a typical 10/100 router with 5e and N600 wireless. Even with two Netflix streams and YouTube or XBox going the only time I hit a buffer is with YouTube and 1080p videos..

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said by Speedy Petey:

Funny. I have a typical 10/100 router with 5e and N600 wireless. Even with two Netflix streams and YouTube or XBox going the only time I hit a buffer is with YouTube and 1080p videos..

Obviously WiFi is a great solution for your streaming needs. Kudos!
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reply to pike
How effective would be networking over a powerline be?
I use that in my home, but it's only hooked up to a roku player and a computer.
Hence I seldom notice any speed issues.
I have the power line adaptor connected to a switch, then the PC and roku device are connected to the switch.
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AVonGauss
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reply to pandora
The challenge with wireless and video isn't so much an issue of bandwidth or "speed" but rather the protocol overhead which can go up exponentially depending on the number of active devices and other networks within reach.



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reply to alkizmo

said by alkizmo:

But you'll never see a fridge with RJ45.

Sorry, but you are wrong on that one. I have already seen that at the local Fry's Electronic store.
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said by AVonGauss:

The challenge with wireless and video isn't so much an issue of bandwidth or "speed" but rather the protocol overhead which can go up exponentially depending on the number of active devices and other networks within reach.

I read from some who have had great experiences with Wi-Fi, and others such as myself who haven't. I did pick up an Amazon Kindle Fire HD and it seems to stream better than the other tablets I have. Why that would be I don't know.
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alkizmo

join:2007-06-25
Pierrefonds, QC
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reply to leibold

said by leibold:

Sorry, but you are wrong on that one. I have already seen that at the local Fry's Electronic store.

10 years ago?
What?
Which fridge?
And what's the point?
My car's on Bluetooth, why aren't the fridges too?

robbin
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Leander, TX
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Bluetooth -- doesn't do much distance and doesn't do walls very well. Works decent in a car, but would be total junk in a fridge.



NotTheMama
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join:2012-12-06

reply to pandora
Peak--likely as much as you can get (I've gotten up to 30mbps when a stream starts, which is my max); sustained--maybe around 3mbps, but probably closer to 2mbps (maybe a bit more for HD), so not all that much really. I've heard some HD streams hover around 7mbps, but I haven't seen that myself (which could just be my case).
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