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morisato

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New 2013 Price Comparisons Thread

Well since at least one isp has announced Pricing for 2013 and changes I figured i would start a thread to begin a price comparison. see who stands best.
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said by morisato:

Well since at least one isp has announced Pricing for 2013 and changes I figured i would start a thread to begin a price comparison. see who stands best.

Looks like you kind of failed at it!

34764170

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said by morisato:

Well since at least one isp has announced Pricing for 2013 and changes I figured i would start a thread to begin a price comparison. see who stands best.

For many users price alone is not enough.


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Fail on a whole new level.



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Rofl I will fill in more info Soon i meanty to last night but got disrupted P:) mid post.
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said by 34764170:

For many users price alone is not enough.

 
Amen to THAT !

Other Price-Related factors could include :

Do you have to pay multiple months ahead to GET the price ?
Is there a Monthly USAGE Cap ?
Cost per GB if exceed the cap ? (aka UBB)
Is there a limit to the excess charge ?
Can you CHOOSE a lower priced plan with a cap, if you DO NOT NEED Unlimited Usage ?
Is there a FREE USAGE period during OFF-PEAK hours, and if yes, then what is the period ?
What is the Cost to Install/Setup/Activate ?
[DSL] Is a DRY LOOP included or not ? (if you need one)
Whose MODEMS can we use, and which makes/models ?

(Those all still relate to price, but are factors not considered by many folks.)

Next, Customer Service - Describe it :

Politeness
Competence
Wait Times
Promptness of Response/Resolution
Can I talk to a Supervisor RIGHT NOW if I ask ?
Through how many methods can it be obtained ?

Then, there is Performance :

Is the speed generally close to what was advertised ?
Is the speed reduced during the peak period (officially and/or just by congestion)
Are any types of data blocked and/or throttled ?
[Cable] Is there any NNC ? (Neighbourhood NODE Congestion)
[Cable] Is there any POI Congestion ?
Online Gaming - Ping Latency & Jitter - thanks Teddy Boom
VoIP - Ping Latency & Jitter
[The locations of the ISP's servers & choices of peering partners would affect those last two.]

And most recently, in the Security category :

What sort of user LOGS are kept, and for how long ?

Those were all from just one coffee - Feel free to mention any other factors which come to mind.

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in other words, this thread is to show that Ebox's new pricing blows Teksavvy's outta the water.



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said by inotherwords :

in other words, this thread is to show that Ebox's new pricing blows Teksavvy's outta the water.

Well, I dunno about blowing them out of the water, but certainly firing one across their bow.



TEKSAVVY
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High Speed DSL 25
Up to 25 Mbps Down / 10 Mbps Up
Unlimited Usage between 2am and 8am
Dry Loop Band B $9.10 / month
Sagemcom F@ST 2864 $8.00 / month
52.99/Month w/ 300G CAP

70.09
9.11 HST
79.20 Total per month all in

High Speed DSL 25 - Start-Up Fee $95.00
Dry DSL Activation - Residential $19.99
114.99
14.95 HST
129.94 Total install all in

209.14 due upon order (install plus 1st month)
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Electronic Box
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SpeedLine Extreme 25
Up to 25 Mbps Down / 10 Mbps Up
Unlimited Usage between 2am and 12noon
Dry Loop Band B FREE / month
Sagemcom F@ST 2864 $10.00 / month
55.95/Month w/ 500G CAP

65.99
8.58 HST
74.57 Total per month all in

High Speed DSL 25 - Start-Up Fee $49.95
Dry DSL Activation - Residential $0.00
49.95
6.49 HST
56.44 Total install all in

131.01 due upon order (install plus 1st month)
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So, one can save about $78 on the install, save about $5 a month, and get an extra 200GB per month usage and an extra 4 hours of unmetered every day. Noteworthy, for sure.

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said by dillyhammer:

Well, I dunno about blowing them out of the water, but certainly firing one across their bow.
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So, one can save about $78 on the install, save about $5 a month, and get an extra 200GB per month usage and an extra 4 hours of unmetered every day. Noteworthy, for sure.

 
YES, and knock off a further $10 + HST per month if you choose 250GB from eBOX on that same speed !!!

So on the 15/1 DSL, TSI 300GB, eBOX 250GB ? (no can get VDSL at MY place yet)

»www.electronicbox.net/en/ontario···dsl.html

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said by dillyhammer:

Well, I dunno....

 
So then, what will happen when eBOX announces their deal on services thru the Cogeco feeds ?

They are well positioned to do this, IMNHSO.


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said by Davesnothere:

So on the 15/1 DSL, TSI 300GB, eBOX 250GB ? (no can get VDSL at MY place yet)

»www.electronicbox.net/en/ontario···dsl.html

TEKSAVVY
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High Speed DSL 15
Up to 15 Mbps Down / 1Mbps Up
Unlimited Usage between 2am and 8am
Dry Loop Band B $9.10 / month
45.99/Month w/ 300G CAP

55.09
7.16 HST
62.25 Total per month all in

High Speed DSL 25 - Start-Up Fee $75.00 ($20 discount currently)
Dry DSL Activation - Residential $19.99
94.99
12.35 HST
107.34 Total install all in

169.59 due upon order (install plus 1st month)
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Electronic Box
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SpeedLine High Speed 15
Up to 15 Mbps Down / 1Mbps Up
Unlimited Usage between 2am and 12noon
Dry Loop Band B FREE / month
37.95/Month w/ 250G CAP

37.95
4.94 HST
42.88 Total per month all in

High Speed DSL 25 - Start-Up Fee $69.95
Dry DSL Activation - Residential $0.00
69.95**
9.09 HST
79.04 Total install all in

121.92 due upon order (install plus 1st month)

** You can save $20 more on the install if you buy or rent your modem from Electronic Box.
----------------------------------------------

Significant savings per month, almost $20 cheaper, and about $50 saved on the install.

EB is going to war.



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said by dillyhammer:

said by Davesnothere:

So on the 15/1 DSL, TSI 300GB, eBOX 250GB ? (no can get VDSL at MY place yet)

»www.electronicbox.net/en/ontario···dsl.html

Significant savings per month, almost $20 cheaper, and about $70 saved on the install.

EB is going to war.

 
The REAL question crossing MY mind is : "Hmmmmm.... What is TSI doing with that extra monthly $20 ($17 net) of cash in per RGU ???"

BH#$ELL must be giving THEM as good of a deal as to eBOX, yes ?

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said by Davesnothere:

said by dillyhammer:

Well, I dunno....

 
So then, what will happen when eBOX announces their deal on services thru the Cogeco feeds ?

They are well positioned to do this, IMNHSO.

I've been holding my breath waiting for TPIA announcements in Hamilton for ages. I'm all purple in the face.

Start Communications is here. Now. If Ebox has an announcement to make, I'd love to hear it. Seeing as how TSI is Waffle City in Cogecoland.



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said by Davesnothere:

The REAL question crossing MY mind is : "Hmmmmm.... What is TSI doing with that extra monthly $20 of revenue per RGU ???"

BHell must be giving THEM as good of a deal as to eBOX, yes ?

I bet Ebox's margins are pretty thin with those prices.

Either that, or they know something about the capacity decision that we don't.

Just sayin'.



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said by dillyhammer:

said by Davesnothere:

So then, what will happen when eBOX announces their deal on services thru the Cogeco feeds ?

They are well positioned to do this, IMNHSO.

 
....Start Communications is here. - Now.

If Ebox has an announcement to make, I'd love to hear it.

Seeing as how TSI is Waffle City in Cogecoland.

 
....and no offense meant towards WAFFLES !

I am only speculating there, but if eBOX really DID announce that, it could be another niche for THEM (especially in QC), and the Ontario AGG POI Cogeco TPIA scene could quickly become just among START & eBOX.

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said by Davesnothere:

Then, there is Performance :

Great summary of what is worth thinking about. One more factor you didn't include though, gaming performance (or you could call it connection quality). Do you get lag spikes and how are ping times to various hosts around North America.
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For all your ebox Calculations your forgetting they charge $20 dollars extra if u bring your own modem. So its 69.95 for activation to byom
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tek has stated in other threads that vdsl is losing proposition for them. one has to wonder what's different between the 2 companies.



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said by Teddy Boom:

....One more factor you didn't include though, gaming performance (or you could call it connection quality).

Do you get lag spikes and how are ping times to various hosts around North America.

 
[facepalm]
But of COURSE !
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[Dave's excuse for overlooking that factor is not being an online gamer.]


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said by morisato:

For all your ebox Calculations, you're forgetting they charge $20 dollars extra if u bring your own modem.

So its 69.95 for activation to BYOM.

 
Duly Noted.

Mike - EDITs ?

EDIT : Ack EDITs done.

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said by morisato:

For all your ebox Calculations your forgetting they charge $20 dollars extra if u bring your own modem. So its 69.95 for activation to byom

What?! $20 extra if you bring your own modem? What is that about?

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said by inotherwords :

in other words, this thread is to show that Ebox's new pricing blows Teksavvy's outta the water.

But no cable in Ontario and I doubt they would have unlimited so their new pricing is useless to me.


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said by morisato:

For all your ebox Calculations your forgetting they charge $20 dollars extra if u bring your own modem. So its 69.95 for activation to byom

That is so bloody stupid. Seriously.

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said by prairiesky:

tek has stated in other threads that vdsl is losing proposition for them. one has to wonder what's different between the 2 companies.

How can they be losing money on a $53/m plan with a $95 activation? Bhell fees can't be that high.

I wonder if/when TSI will be matching 175/175 or even 50/50.

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said by JMJimmy:

said by prairiesky:

tek has stated in other threads that vdsl is losing proposition for them. one has to wonder what's different between the 2 companies.

How can they be losing money on a $53/m plan with a $95 activation? Bhell fees can't be that high.

I wonder if/when TSI will be matching 175/175 or even 50/50.

You realize those are FTTH right...

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said by JMJimmy:

How can they be losing money on a $53/m plan with a $95 activation? Bhell fees can't be that high.

I wonder if/when TSI will be matching 175/175 or even 50/50.

The activation goes to Bell, they charge the ISPs $100.

No one has access to the fibre based services via Bell and very unlikely they will anytime soon if ever.

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said by Davesnothere:

The REAL question crossing MY mind is : "Hmmmmm.... What is TSI doing with that extra monthly $20 ($17 net) of cash in per RGU ???"

Teksavvy pays a lot of lawyers bills @ $500+/hr./lawyer - there's the Voltage stuff, and other stuff legal that TSI does for themselves & the community.

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said by 34764170:

said by JMJimmy:

How can they be losing money on a $53/m plan with a $95 activation? Bhell fees can't be that high.

I wonder if/when TSI will be matching 175/175 or even 50/50.

The activation goes to Bell, they charge the ISPs $100.

No one has access to the fibre based services via Bell and very unlikely they will anytime soon if ever.

I'm sure it'll mean another CRTC fight but last mile is last mile - copper, cable, or fibre


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said by MaynardKrebs:

said by Davesnothere:

The REAL question crossing MY mind is : "Hmmmmm.... What is TSI doing with that extra monthly $20 ($17 net) of cash in per RGU ???"

Teksavvy pays a lot of lawyers bills @ $500+/hr./lawyer - there's the Voltage stuff, and other stuff legal that TSI does for themselves & the community.

 
And a sizable ADVERTISING budget, it would seem.

Busses, Billboards, TV....