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ubermoe

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An iPhone Lover's Confession: I Switched To The Nexus 4

I came into this great article on Gizmodo Australia and I just wanted to hear what you think of it guys: »www.gizmodo.com.au/2013/01/an-ip···nexus-4/

Will Android take the lead -if not already-? will it prove to iPhone users that Android is a solid and better alternative to the very limited and restricted iOS? are you on iPhone and considering switching to Android, or vise versa?

Nice read I guess



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said by ubermoe:

I came into this great article on Gizmodo Australia and I just wanted to hear what you think of it guys: »www.gizmodo.com.au/2013/01/an-ip···nexus-4/

Will Android take the lead -if not already-? will it prove to iPhone users that Android is a solid and better alternative to the very limited and restricted iOS? are you on iPhone and considering switching to Android, or vise versa?

Nice read I guess

Both Android and iPhone claim the "more popular" title...

I think Android has more phones out there, but iPhone somehow claims "more popular" still...

Anyway... I tried an iPhone when they came out... Took it back to the store a day later... too locked down, too restricted. I didn't like apple / ATT telling me what I can and can't do with my own phone.

I went back to my blackberry at the time, and then migrated to android during the Froyo generation.
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I have an iPod Touch I never would have bought if Android had been as mature at the time, and there were non phone devices as there have been for several years now.

Actually my first Android device was a 2.2 era bargain price (cheaper than the Touch) phone and just never got service for and used it as a WiFi device only.

Pretty much only use the Touch now for piddling stuff like Words WF and email while doing more serious stuff on my ASUS Transformer not even possible on an iDevice.

The iPad is nothing but a gigantic iPod touch still just as restricted and INTENTIONALLY LIMITED by Apple design... the hardware is certainly capable of much more IF Apple would allow it.

Android already is #1 but spread across many manufactures, so in reality Apple can only make the single manufacturer claim of biggest. Really the only thing Apple are number 1 in is blindly dedicated rabid sheep.
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I have been using Android phone for past several years and can say - it certainly is far away from a "solid".

Apps may behave unexpectedly. Sometimes they work, sometimes they suddenly don't and the only way to get some predictability back is to reboot the phone... A third party tool that kills app may not help (and why I should use a tool that closes an app). GPS may be in "Looking for location" for up to 10 min, while it shows 10 - 12 satellites connected. Battery may not show it's charged 100%, while it is connected to charger and you see that its voltage is already start dropping and, at the same time, it's percentage of "availability" is slowly growing ~10% per 8 hours (so to get it to "fully charged " state from let say 60% you have to charge it ... 24 hours). Next time it may start from different percentage (assigned to the same voltage). There is a lot of memory available, but suddenly you can't install a small new app. You have to find a third party tool, that clears OS's cache and only then you may do it again (and why I should remember to clear the cache manually? it's the OS's job, for god sake). A softphone, installed on your phone, may miss incoming calls, because OS did not wake up the phone app at the time, when it gets INVITE message from the network. You come close to WiFi spot and to make sure it gets connection to the Internet you have to wake up the phone. Why it may (the key word here is "may") not get connection automatically and waits, let say, 20 min? Etc, etc, etc... And that's my experience with almost the latest Android v4.1.2.. .I'd not rely on Android as an OS for reliable tool. Only as OS for a toy... It's actually sad.

Some guys are switching from iPhone to Android, some switch back... It happens all the time.So, what's the news here?
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Pretty sure Android is outselling Iphone 5 to 1... so...



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Sounds like your phone has an issue...


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That's exactly what I'm trying to convey. It's far from "solid"...
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said by OZO:

I have been using Android phone for past several years and can say - it certainly is far away from a "solid".

Some guys are switching from iPhone to Android, some switch back... It happens all the time.So, what's the news here?

Well that is the Apple fans ONLY claim the rock rock solid thing... well no wonder since iOS so crippled and restricted.

Hey and all you really want is a phone with diversions well fine I guess. But you want a little real mini computer too...not Apple, Android is it.

Part of the price of diversity is incompatibilities. And there are just plain rushed badly conceived Android devices out there... but that is NOT the platforms FAULT... the manufacture who cut corners.

So yes you can't just go buy ANY Android device you need to do a little homework first.... you just want to be easy lazy blind... then yeah buy an iDevice you can do very little with but line Apple's pocket's, and yeah for the little it can do is solid.

That said I have had plenty of opperation issues with my iPod Touch's (3&4 both used/refurb). So the claims are over blown they maybe more consistent, but just like Mac's NOT the supposed bullet Apple sheep make them out to be.

An in my experience migrating from Android to Androin device and have it be just what it was is MUCH easier...
Having done it 3 times with Apple it was after hous of work sort of the same....and still thing in ITunes that don't like the new devices...again mostly due to their ridiculous restiction

No such problem with Android.... went from 1 gen Transformer to second in under an hour.... first just move the two SD cards (again not even an option of ext expansion on iDevices) and then having backed up Apps AND their data... just reinstall to new device, no iTunes middle man to mess with.
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How is your phone, having these issues, making Android far from "solid"?



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said by Cheese:

How is your phone, having these issues, making Android far from "solid"?

No he does have a point there have been many badly implemented Android phones and guess he got one... yes in Android you do need to do some homework... and not just blind buy you can with Apple if you accept the limitations that go along with that.
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I can understand that lot of unpredictability problems may come form app developers (often amateurs or hobbyists), and it creates such environment, that you can't rely on them... I could understand that. But my examples above contains OS design features (cleaning cache, full memory cleanup from exited apps, reliable wake up apps on networking events, getting network connection fast to WiFi spot, speed up calculating GPS locations for other apps, battery management, etc - it's all features, provided by OS), that makes the Android far from "solid" as a platform. It will require a lot of work (and time) to make it "solid", I guess...
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Sorry but the OS design feature, such as the GPS and WI-FI, sounds like your phone, not the OS.


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Connection to WiFi is basic networking feature, provided by OS for all apps. The same is GSP. It's, if you will, a HAL, used by all apps. Battery management is in that category too, as well as memory management (and cache in particular)...
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said by OZO:

Connection to WiFi is basic networking feature, provided by OS for all apps. The same is GSP. It's, if you will, a HAL, used by all apps. Battery management is in that category too, as well as memory management (and cache in particular)...

OK the ponder me this....

I have been after a local WiFi provider to replace its router because it has had multiple connection issues over the last year or so in a variety of ways most recently just randomly dropping connection.

My ASUS Transformer is very aggressive about reconnection though I have seen it flash on and off... My iPod just gives up and dropped much faster and frequently.

Again CACHE is another thing, never really an issue on the Transformer since it has a pretty huge 32 GB internal to deal with and latter Android OS not a fixed area for Apps (a big limitation of 2.x devices) but not an issue since ICS (4.x and 3.x only existed briefly for the tab market) it will dynamically use available storage any way it can. Some basic phones are still very limited though.... again bad phone design not OS issue.

YOU NEED TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK vs just don't want to think about it or possibilities iOS... no matter how fancy a device it the same limited crap... OK works well but how about capability?

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It's not a faulty WiFi router. I'm watching the problem with establishing connections (see above) all the time when I come to work, to home, to other hot spots... It "may" connect as soon as I came. Or I have to wake up phone just to to see it's starting making connection. If I don't do that I may check in router that phone is not connected for a while... Why??? That experience is based on many observations...

I'm glad that your Transformer has huge (32 GiB) internal memory and you don't see cache freeing (you don't have to do it manually).problems, that I've described. I have device with considerably smaller memory and see that problem quite often. And BTW, I did my homework and found out the solution - clean up cache manually... and not to wait until OS will finally do its job as it should.

And I did my homework with configuring GPS, using gps.conf file. I made many different configuration changes (back and force) and conducted many tests here and there and I may assure you that there is nothing I can do more at this time, but watch and just wait... It has downloaded A-GPS data and withmore then 10 well positioned satellites connected to it device may stay in "Looking for GPS position" for a long, long while...

BTW, why "YOU NEED TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK" is considered a good thing, when someone uses Android OS?
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said by OZO:

BTW, why "YOU NEED TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK" is considered a good thing, when someone uses Android OS?

Well like I said I am having the OPPOSITE problem with my iPod Touch.

As I said that it the cost of diversity... its not free of issues, again mostly manufacturers cutting corners not the Android OS.
Nor is sociology for that matter... didn't move to Key West for an EASY thing....took learning and being here, but that the social BS of this country, and again the Republicans din't get why they so lost...alienating everyone but rich white guys and PARTICULARLY WOMEN. (Sorry guys more women voters, and now another thing this time around more women in Congress than ever not just the good ol' boys)

You can have a rock solid VERY LIMITED OS like iOS or you can have a RICH OS like Android you might have to pay some attention to, and study the hardware you are considering.

Again you want to be mindless, and VERY restricted use the Apple is the way to go.

And then Apple had their little hell... of rushed OS6 to hissy fit ditch Google Maps just fone the first 5... and what did they release CrApple maps that would tell you anything but where you are or what is around you... and why I have not updated to current Toch to OS6 unless you have something that can even come close to Google maps.

Like I said today vs when I got the Touch, and really just before Android took off I would never own one.

Again BOTTOM LINE is CrApple or Freedom and a little effort to have it? As our founders said actually freedom is a right but requires diligence to preserve!!!

And for those that might say how much I edit... well there are these things called after thoughts (before reply) and the spell check missed spelling errors not caught by the one here pretty good but contextually hardly stellar one.
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I had tried 2 iPhones before I settled on an Android. I had the 3GS and the 4.

I never really liked either iPhone. Too restricted, small screen, too much hype. I now have a Galaxy Nexus, and really love it. I'm on ATT, and we now have LTE in my area. I just hope the next Nexus that comes out will have LTE for ATT's network.

Now, for computers, IMO, different story. I like my Macs, much better than my PC.



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said by OZO:

And I did my homework with configuring GPS, using gps.conf file. I made many different configuration changes (back and force) and conducted many tests here and there and I may assure you that there is nothing I can do more at this time

Well again maybe a device failure??? Most of the time I keep it disabled after 18 yearss on a 1.5x4mi island I petty much know where I am and even with GPS (to the point) turned off just by WiFi hot spot how accurate it is about where eaxtly I am is sort of scary...thank you HMS.
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said by Cheese:

Pretty sure Android is outselling Iphone 5 to 1... so...

That's cause 4 of those are shitty $100 phones.
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And?



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said by OZO:

Connection to WiFi is basic networking feature, provided by OS for all apps. The same is GSP. It's, if you will, a HAL, used by all apps. Battery management is in that category too, as well as memory management (and cache in particular)...

And yet again, went over your head. If your GPS is taking 5-10 min to lock on, there is a PROBLEM with YOUR phone. That's NOT the OS.

This is very simple to understand. I don't HAVE these problems you say are part of the OS.


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said by Alcohol:

said by Cheese:

Pretty sure Android is outselling Iphone 5 to 1... so...

That's cause 4 of those are shitty $100 phones.

Perhaps you meant to say economical $100 phones...nothing wrong with that at all. Not everyone can pay, or even wants to pay for a "premier" phone. There are a number of lower-cost quality android phones on the market.

IMHO, there is a valid need for a variety of smart phones both in size and features based on an individual's usage. Some folks have a preference for a "jumbo-sized" screen, such as the Galaxy Note II, others want a much smaller, more "pocketable" device.

Personally? I have a GSII. Never has been glitchy...fast/smooth, great screen...I chose it over an iphone 4S...easily. I would chose a GSIII over an iphone 5, although at least hardware-wise, the iphone 5 would be a closer decision for me.

I have a number of co-workers with iphones, no question that they are well-built and are quality phones, however, I simply prefer the android platform.
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said by lordpuffer:

I had tried 2 iPhones before I settled on an Android. I had the 3GS and the 4.

I never really liked either iPhone. Too restricted, small screen, too much hype. I now have a Galaxy Nexus, and really love it.

Sounds like me, I had those exact iPhones and I too switched to Android and right now I have a Galaxy Nexus too.

Obviously different users will use their device differently but myself, I like my Galaxy Nexus device for the ability to run third-party ROMs on it. Right now I'm running AOKP on it and a third-party kernel too. It's the smoothest running Android OS I've seen.
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said by OZO:

BTW, why "YOU NEED TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK" is considered a good thing, when someone uses Android OS?

It has nothing to do with the android OS, it has everything to do with having choices.

IOS based phones come in one flavor/configuration - iphone, built by one manufacturer.

Android based phones are built by a number of manufacturers at varying price points and physical configurations.

You don't need to "do your homework" when buying an iphone because aside of either buying an older iphone or newer model, you're done.

I like having choice. That in and of itself would suggest that choosing with due diligence would be a "good thing" to do.
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ubermoe

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I came thought all of the replies on this thread but your reply was a really weird. Let me talk in general, that an individual case cannot be taken as the official view for the platform. Both Android, iPhone, BB, Nokia, each of them has its own failures that is mostly related to software which is pretty easy, amazingly easy to "format" and then install a fresh copy of the OS with Android while it's hard with Nokia, BB, and iPhone. I don't mean factory reset but a complete OS deletion and replacement.

said by OZO:

A third party tool that kills app may not help (and why I should use a tool that closes an app).

Speaking of multitasking, actually users get fooled by the titles of the apps on Play Store and iOS Store. These apps do not make your phone operate better nor make it faster with so many apps running.

Seeing an app in the running tab doesn't mean it's consuming resources and is being executed, simply Android keep what we can call a reference to certain apps to make them ready when the app is needed, this reference is idle but is ready to be invoked when necessary. You must read this article:

Multitasking the Android Way: »android-developers.blogspot.com/···way.html

so basically, these apps are consuming your battery, yes, these "Task Killers" are the reason why your battery is dying faster as they kill everything related to any app causing Android to re-execute it again. Review process life-cycle in the same article.

said by OZO:

GPS may be in "Looking for location" for up to 10 min, while it shows 10 - 12 satellites connected. Battery may not show it's charged 100%, while it is connected to charger and you see that its voltage is already start dropping and, at the same time, it's percentage of "availability" is slowly growing ~10% per 8 hours (so to get it to "fully charged " state from let say 60% you have to charge it ... 24 hours). Next time it may start from different percentage (assigned to the same voltage).

that is pure personal experience. Did you try to factory reset? were you running a ROM?

said by OZO:

There is a lot of memory available, but suddenly you can't install a small new app. You have to find a third party tool, that clears OS's cache and only then you may do it again (and why I should remember to clear the cache manually? it's the OS's job, for god sake).

You sure you're talking about Android 2.3 and up specially Jelly Bean? If you did not try JB, I think you're missing a lot.

I used to be an iPhone user, tried 3G, 3GS, 4, then 4S. Then moved to Galaxy Nexus and I am running the latest JB version of Android. I can say that my life is way easier and I am much more productive in it. Phone design? software UI? both are getting better with every release.

Sure, I disagree with you, completely, but that doesn't mean I don't understand your points. I think it was an awful experience but make sure you try the right phone.


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said by Cheese:

And?

That 5 to 1 argument is stupid. Stop using it.
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said by Alcohol:

said by Cheese:

And?

That 5 to 1 argument is stupid. Stop using it.

Not going to stop using the truth


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said by PeteC2:

said by Alcohol:

said by Cheese:

Pretty sure Android is outselling Iphone 5 to 1... so...

That's cause 4 of those are shitty $100 phones.

Perhaps you meant to say economical $100 phones...nothing wrong with that at all. Not everyone can pay, or even wants to pay for a "premier" phone. There are a number of lower-cost quality android phones on the market.

IMHO, there is a valid need for a variety of smart phones both in size and features based on an individual's usage. Some folks have a preference for a "jumbo-sized" screen, such as the Galaxy Note II, others want a much smaller, more "pocketable" device.

Personally? I have a GSII. Never has been glitchy...fast/smooth, great screen...I chose it over an iphone 4S...easily. I would chose a GSIII over an iphone 5, although at least hardware-wise, the iphone 5 would be a closer decision for me.

I have a number of co-workers with iphones, no question that they are well-built and are quality phones, however, I simply prefer the android platform.

Yeah, and the $100 phones are the biggest sellers for android.

They're really shitty. I picked up a few $100 android phones and they're running gingerbread (in late 2012) and lag.

Mid-level android phones are starting to come out with ICS and that should help a lot.

There is no doubt android is superior than ios but android market share is flawed because the biggest sellers are cheap phones in china/india. Gs3 doesn't sell as much as iphone5 and it's by far the most popular android phone.
I don't know the exact sales numbers but if you take the global sales of top flagship phone for each manufacturer (One X, Gs3, Optimus, xperia, etc) i'm pretty sure iphone will beat them in sales.
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said by Alcohol:

said by Cheese:

Pretty sure Android is outselling Iphone 5 to 1... so...

That's cause 4 of those are shitty $100 phones.

Shitty $100 phones???

When we switched from Sprint to Verizon at the end of November I got the Droid DNA, my mother who doesn’t need a super high end phone got the Droid Razr M. That was a $100 phone, whose price dropped down to $50 a few weeks later and I was able to get the price differential credit. For $50 the Droid Razr M is a pretty damn good phone. The 4.3” display is bigger than the iPhone, the resolution lower at 540 x 960, but the Super AMOLED screen is nice. The dual core 1.5 GHz processor is faster than the iPhone, it’s got the same amount of RAM as the iPhone, it’s got expandable memory, a solid battery and it’s a hell of a lot more durable, not to mention the features of Android 4.1. Along with the standard stuff that the iPhone lacks, NFC and DLNA. Not all $100 phones are created equal. I’d rather have a $100 phone from Samsung, Moto or HTC, then a $100 phone from LG, ZTE or Hauwii. This $50 phone the same caliber as the Evo 3D I was using in June of this past year.

While the Razr M may not be stat of the art, I’d rather use that then the shitty iPhone 5 or some lame ass Windows Phone.
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