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massysett

join:2006-01-04
Silver Spring, MD

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No benefit

So the super duper speeds of FTTH have...no practical benefit. Comcast with the HFC plant outranks FIOS. Yet geeks complain about "slow Internet."

We've seen what happens when there is massive capital investment where it had no practical benefit: dotcom bubble and housing bubble. Now people say we should have fiber everywhere so that we can get...speeds slower than Comcast.

Let Google have at burying fiber everywhere but keep government out of this.



Rob
In Deo speramus.
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Comcast

For those of us who are pushing FTTH, we do so for the following reasons, none which are factored into Netflix's rankings:

1. FTTH provides for a more stable connection, with fewer interferences between the customer and the ISP.

2. FTTH provides more symmetrical speeds, or at least, faster upload speeds.

3. The cost to run FTTH has decreased significantly, and allows for much more expansion in the future without major infrastructure changes.

4. Our doctors tell us to eat more fiber, well, we want more fiber.

5. If you're going to rebuild a major highway, it would make economical sense to lay fiber optics at the same time. The cost is so minimal.
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34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

said by Rob:

For those of us who are pushing FTTH, we do so for the following reasons, none which are factored into Netflix's rankings:

1. FTTH provides for a more stable connection, with fewer interferences between the customer and the ISP.

2. FTTH provides more symmetrical speeds, or at least, faster upload speeds.

3. The cost to run FTTH has decreased significantly, and allows for much more expansion in the future without major infrastructure changes.

4. Our doctors tell us to eat more fiber, well, we want more fiber.

5. If you're going to rebuild a major highway, it would make economical sense to lay fiber optics at the same time. The cost is so minimal.

All of these things are a no brainer, especially #1 and #2. DOCSIS even with DOCSIS 3.1 still has a pretty bad achilles' heel.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to massysett

Yet your shortsightedness does not allow you to see past your nose.

The expandability of fiber far outweighs that of cable and once it is installed can do so without major infrastructure changes. Which is why ALL cable systems use fiber in the core of their network.


34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

Come on! Stop making so much sense


Kearnstd
Space Elf
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:1
reply to massysett

FTTH will allow for more to happen at once over one connection. there is no one service that can swamp a Google 1gig connection yet.

However a bigger pipe means everybody in the house could be watching HD and not lag your gaming or if one only sees computer as a work tool, without lagging the VPN into the office.
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BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Wakefield, MA
reply to Skippy25

Not true ! 10 gig between switch links are sfp+ cables


silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to Rob

No. 2. is not true. It depends on the provider entirely. I have seen some providers selling download/upload at a 100/1 ratio over fiber.


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to BosstonesOwn

Fiber eats 10gig as a small snack between brunch and lunch.



Vchat20
Landing is the REAL challenge
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join:2003-09-16
Columbus, OH
reply to silbaco

said by silbaco:

No. 2. is not true. It depends on the provider entirely. I have seen some providers selling download/upload at a 100/1 ratio over fiber.

They sell those plans, but it is not a technical limitation. The tech is fully symmetrical by design. On the other hand, Cable and DSL are both asymmetrical by design and upload speeds there cannot go much higher than they are now.
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BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Wakefield, MA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to Skippy25

Ahhh I trunk Ports for Multiple of 10 gig on cisco for my storage gear, The core guys here have done it up to 80 gig as long as the switches support it.

Besides how many home users have 10 gig capable gear exactly? And how many ftth sellers have 10 gig ports on their home network gear ? Better yet how many offer a 10 gig option inside the service area ?

0 , in the datacenter 10 gig port are still pretty expensive and doing distance has to be fiber. sfp+ are really only for short interconnects and connecting the hosts to their switch. Incase you missed the sarcasm in the smiley.
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JohnSJ

join:2004-08-14
Lafayette, LA
reply to massysett

Folks seem to think that the only limit here is Google's. It's not.

Netflix streams its videos at a set rate according to how each movie you choose to use is encoded. Netflix's encoding tops out about 4.8 Mbps for HD, and a little over 2 Mbps for SD. That's all they need push....except a bit of a buffer at the beginning I suspect. So most of the time it's just coasting at the encoding rate.

So the oddly low numbers for _all_ the providers is just more pronounced for Google Fiber. I suspect that the Google numbers represent pretty near the max for the mix of SD and HD that Netflix subscribers download.

When Netflix feels able to use more bandwidth they will improve the HD codec to a less compressed version and there will be more headroom for FTTH to shine. That would push their HD streaming to around 7 I think. And then there's 3D and later that crazy 4K stuff. They've got good reasons of their own to want Google to look good. Fiber will give them the headroom they want to really improve their service.

(It's worth noticing that Netflix is not waiting on Google or the Muni's to hand them bandwidth on a platter. It is right now building its own CDN to get it's content _inside_ the big networks like Cox and Comcast--Charter just signed on�€”and is only offering their least compressed HD and 3D catalogs over ISPs who have already joined their free to the ISP CDN by putting content on a cache inside their network or pull directly from a big, fast peering center. Look up "open connect." You'll need a minimum of 7 megs to use it even if your ISP joins up and puts a cache next door.)