Topic 'Re: Speed Upgrades Coming' in forum 'AT&T U-verse' - dslreports.com

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:04:50 EDT

doubleohwhat posted : I'm really curious what the pricing for the new tiers will be. I figure they'll either adjust the prices of the new and existing tiers to better compete with cable or they'll be dicks and just add the new tiers alongside the existing and charge outrageous fees for the faster speeds.

Edit: I'm also curious how the bandwidth allowed by the new profiles will be allocated. Common sense would say allocate more bandwidth for their TV service and adjust the compression. If they improved the picture quality I'm sure a lot of us with direct or dish would consider switching to uverse for our tv service.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:40:34 EDT

anon posted : Instead of speed upgrades, how about upgrades to the crappy router firmware AT&T??? This thing is such garbage.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Mon, 07 Jan 2013 13:06:56 EDT

dbeatson posted : Actually you are wrong, I live 2,100 feet from the VRAD and my Gateway syncs on a single pair at 48,000Mbps, with pair bonding 2 pairs together, that gives me a potential capability of 96Mbps.

Pair bonding and vectoring will be the technologies used to accomplish the higher U-Verse speeds, will everyone current U-Verse customer be able to get these speeds, no but it is far more than what you think.
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Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Mon, 07 Jan 2013 12:03:36 EDT

techguyga posted : I know this is an oldish thread, but I had a repair tech out over the weekend and was asking some questions about the upgrade plans...

My area is currently served VDSL (triple-play) via "F" cards in the VRAD. He said that maximum wire distance was about 3,000 feet for service using these cards. He said that they would be coming through soon and replacing the cards with "K" cards...raising the maximum wire distance to 6,000 feet and also allowing the speed upgrades. He also told me that they were making the speed upgrades (at least in my area) available on March 15. He also told me that they were NOT pair-bonding.
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Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:50:33 EDT

DataRiker posted :

said by iansltx:

Heck, I'd settle for 12/5 for a price significantly lower than TWC charges for 30/5 here.

Too bad AT&T doesn't seem to want to give folks more than 1 Mbps up on IP-DSLAM and 3 Mbps on VDSL.

I 2nd this.

Can you imagine if you could assign your own upload/download to each Mhz block 1-8 and customize your connection?

That would blow my balls off.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:01:43 EDT

maartena posted :

said by scotsclic :

For FTTN customers, this means speeds at 75mbps and 100mbps while for IPDSLAM customers this means 45mbps for most customers and 75mbps for customers close to the CO/RT

What all of this WON'T do however.... is increase the upload.

AT&T will try to tell you that 5 Mbps upload is the best thing since sliced bread, and that no one should need more..... but the reality is that more and more applications send data (photo/video/backup/work-vpn/etc) FROM the home to the world, instead of only receiving it.

I work from home a few days a week on the 24/3 plan. Yeah, it is do-able..... but sometimes I get a 40 MB Spreadsheet I need to add a few things to, and downloading it from our Sharepoint is one thing.... uploading it back up to the the server is a SLOW SLOW process.

(And yes: The company has 10s of Gigibits of bandwidth all over the world, we're.... kinda big.)

Some providers are starting to tackle the upload.... FIOS already has, and cable providers are starting to use bundled upstreams to provide more upstream capacity.

But where is AT&T in all this? No where to be found.... Although Bill Gates never said this, it does remind me of the false quote attributed to him: 640 Kb ought to be enough for everybody.

Only now it is AT&T saying that 5 Mbps upload is enough for everybody.
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Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:10:40 EDT

UverseTech posted : Pair bonding has been around since 2010 in the field. It is a very hit and miss when it comes to the outside plant. It varies from VRAD to VRAD in every city. I have installed this in many different cities and generally the pair bonding is used when the customer is approx 3K from the VRAD. I installed many single pair INids in San Antonio because that was the practice there. This is because the outside plant was subpar. This does not even start to factor in that 75% of the techs cannot complete an install on their own that actually works with no problems. It usually takes 2-4 revisits after the initial install to straighten out.

Pair bonding is far from the fix for UVerse, their best bet would be to segregate the video from the data on different pairs, or actually use the new feeds that are installed all over the US and just acting as bird stands for now.

It would work for the IPDSL customers but its not likely to happen anytime soon.

They won't do a thing until this contract negotiation is done, so keep wishing in one hand and do whatever you like with the other.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:33:25 EDT

teicher posted : Thanks for sharing this info, it was pretty neat to read about some of the upcoming technology that hasn't already been discussed here.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:12:33 EDT

VegasMan posted :

said by Nuckfuts:

Well, for me I am glad they are doing this since the only other competition here is Comcast. It is good for the consumer to have competition even if you hate either.

At least you have competition. I have no other viable alternative. I'm stuck with AT&T or some POS internet from a POS company called RAMAPO with 1Mb/512kb for $59/mo.
I hate Commiecast but I would welcome their internet.
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Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:36:39 EDT

Nuckfuts posted : Well, for me I am glad they are doing this since the only other competition here is Comcast. It is good for the consumer to have competition even if you hate either.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:24:36 EDT

anon posted : att bloze, worse thruput of all ,constant dropouts speed not as advertised

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:21:57 EDT

anon posted : Looks like at&t is using a combination of technologies to bring higher speeds to U-Verse. The first technology at&t will be using is pair bonding. Currently pair-bonding is being used to extend the range of the current network, but now it will also be used to increase the speeds of customers closer to the VRAD. With pair bonding comes the phenomenon called cross talk which can drastically reduced data throughput of the bonded lines and other neighboring pairs. To mitigate this, at&t will be vectoring the lines reduce the amount of interference. This will be done by simply changing out a few line cards at the VRAD and some software updates to the RG/iNID to make them vectoring ready. Thus, when at&t completes the upgrade, youll notice more reliability of your connection increase as well as you max sync rate increase 100-150% of what you have now. If you ever looked at your bit loading graphs on Uverse realtime, youll notice your signal is carried out on a range of frequencies up to 8.832Mhz. at&t will be increasing the frequencies the modems can use for uploads/ downloads up to 17.664Mhz which will allow additional data throughput in conjunction with vectoring of the lines. In addition, if you've ever seen the bit loading graph, you notice the downstream frequencies are colored yellow while the upstream frequencies are colored green. Using rate-adaptive technology, your modem will dynamically reduce/increase the amount of line spectrum your downstream and upstream spectrum you can use and also selecting which frequencies are best for your upstream and downstream. What this means is that when you need additional uploading power, your modem can allocate additional spectrum to increase the upload throughput by "borrowing" the downstream frequencies. So this might hurt if you are downloading and uploading at the same time, but if you're doing one at a time, this means upload speeds could potentially be much higher than what they are currently.

For FTTN customers, this means speeds at 75mbps and 100mbps while for IPDSLAM customers this means 45mbps for most customers and 75mbps for customers close to the CO/RT

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 00:52:12 EDT

Xsk8er posted :

said by iansltx:

Too bad AT&T doesn't seem to want to give folks more than 1 Mbps up on IP-DSLAM and 3 Mbps on VDSL.

I am not sure it's that they don't want too but there is a limit on what VDSL2 can provide. Plus with offering VOIP/TV services over that line they can't devote all of the 2 or 5 MB upstream to internet bandwidth.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:53:03 EDT

iansltx posted : Heck, I'd settle for 12/5 for a price significantly lower than TWC charges for 30/5 here.

Too bad AT&T doesn't seem to want to give folks more than 1 Mbps up on IP-DSLAM and 3 Mbps on VDSL.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:24:56 EDT

doubleohwhat posted :

said by Jon:

Guess it's cool for people that want it. Though I can't imagine what I'd possibly need 75Mbps for.

It's the upload I'm interested in. If they offered a 12/12 plan I'd be on it in a heartbeat.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:10:11 EDT

Jon posted : Guess it's cool for people that want it. Though I can't imagine what I'd possibly need 75Mbps for. I play games online, netflix, hulu etc. All that stuff works fine on my 12Mbps. In fact, it all worked just fine when I only had 3Mbps.

And then there will be the hundreds of threads from people bitching about the fact that the upload still isn't enough.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:23:39 EDT

Darknessfall posted :

said by UverseTech:

Just get Charter and problem solved :o

We currently only have U-verse TV/Phone. Just dropped internet about two or so months ago for Comcast.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:31:33 EDT

UverseTech posted : Just get Charter and problem solved :o

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Sun, 11 Nov 2012 01:59:57 EDT

davidhoffman posted : I am familiar with peering with other ISPs, essentially a net zero in traffic exchange, but how would peering apply to AT&T and Netflix? I see it as a very unbalanced relationship, in favor of Netflix, as far as the amount of GBs AT&T and Netflix would exchange. Does Netflix have resources, that I am obviously not familiar with, that AT&T would want to use for data transport?

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Sat, 10 Nov 2012 22:08:05 EDT

Michail posted : I'd be happy if they fixed their peering with Netflix so we can use the available local bandwidth but that probably won't happen.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Sat, 10 Nov 2012 14:48:19 EDT

Darknessfall posted : Maybe pair bonding and some tweaking may allow us to qualify for that 100 Mbps speed lol.

The VRAD is much closer than what it says :).

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Sat, 10 Nov 2012 10:44:07 EDT

djrobx posted :

said by Rangersfan :

said by djrobx:

I'm glad to hear they're going to take another stab at upgrading speeds. Even if only 10% of their customers can get the speeds, it still causes TWC to react and upgrade. :)

Where did you see that only 10% of AT&T customers would get a speed upgrade?

"Even if" being the key words. I would certainly hope that upgrades are available to more customers. I'm not sure how many they will actually qualify for 75mbps though.

I'm physically in the middle of the development that my VRAD services. My line pretty much maxed out on the 32mbps profile. Even if pair bonding were ideal, that's only 64mbps before TV overhead.

Still, I'm very excited to hear that the rumors that AT&T was giving up on U-verse were wrong, and that AT&T is still going to try and push their U-verse infrastructure. It's good for U-verse customers, and good for the customers of their competitors. I like having options.

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Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Sat, 10 Nov 2012 08:48:00 EDT

davidhoffman posted : I agree with AT&T letting users get what the modem says they can. I think my modem, using AT&T's could support an 8Mbps down/ 1Mbps up instead of the 6Mbps down/0.5Mbps up I am at now. No, it would not be a massive increase, but it would cost AT&T very little to unleash the modems already in use.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:09:09 EDT

teicher posted : Copper line quality is going to play a big role, too.I have a single pair that syncs at 45 at 1900', so I'd probably be one of those households that could get 75M with pair bonding. If AT&T let me use the full bandwidth from my profile, I could have 32/5 service right now. If they just sold what me modem sync'd at and could handle (something the GW could handle on its own), I could have even faster service.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Sat, 10 Nov 2012 02:21:38 EDT

iansltx posted : The laws of physics say so.

AT&T will be using pair-bonded ADSL2+ (or maybe some vectored variant thereof) to deliver IP-DSLAM DSL. Getting 45 Mbps over two pairs might be possible a mile from the DSLAM, but that's pushing it.

75 Mbps? You're probably looking at pair-bonded VDSL2 in that case, unless you're within spitting distance (or 1000 wire feet) of the VRAD. You might be able to hit 75 Mbps pair-bonded at 2000 feet.

Maybe AT&T has enough VRAD density in some areas to deliver 75 Mbps service to most people who want it. I doubt it though. Even in NW Austin, where it feels like there's a VRAD every road mile, there are folks who can't get 24/3. Let alone something higher.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:18:35 EDT

anon posted :

said by djrobx:

I'm glad to hear they're going to take another stab at upgrading speeds. Even if only 10% of their customers can get the speeds, it still causes TWC to react and upgrade. :)

Where did you see that only 10% of AT&T customers would get a speed upgrade?

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:37:33 EDT

djrobx posted : I'm glad to hear they're going to take another stab at upgrading speeds. Even if only 10% of their customers can get the speeds, it still causes TWC to react and upgrade. :)
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Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:13:22 EDT

Michail posted : But is does drive the ability and desire for more data as services grow around the greater bandwidth. With more bandwidth we have the potential to need more data.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Fri, 09 Nov 2012 11:57:03 EDT

dlewis23 posted :

said by nephipower:

What use if a 75 mbit connection going to be if their data cap is 250 GBs. Hopefully they don't start enforcing that pretty soon.

Just because you have a faster connection doesn't mean you will use more data you just get things done faster.

I finally got my self upgraded from 12 Mbps to 18 Mbps and I don't use anymore data per month I just get downloads done faster or if someone is streaming netflix it doesn't slow down what I'm doing as much anymore.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:21:14 EDT

decifal posted : Wonder what kinda lte plans they will offer for those of us labeled as rural.. Hopefully not the same as verizons home fusion... Laughable at best

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:00:13 EDT

Michail posted :

said by nephipower:

What use if a 75 mbit connection going to be if their data cap is 250 GBs. Hopefully they don't start enforcing that pretty soon.

There were a few data services mentioned in the pres-release. Hopefully they will focus on added services to generate revenue instead of caps. Caps, after all, should apply to any services they offer.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Thu, 08 Nov 2012 22:59:21 EDT

nephipower posted : What use if a 75 mbit connection going to be if their data cap is 250 GBs. Hopefully they don't start enforcing that pretty soon.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Thu, 08 Nov 2012 21:14:45 EDT

Darknessfall posted : Now if only they'll run FTTP on our street :/. We have AT&T fiber lines on our road and fiber going through our property :(.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Thu, 08 Nov 2012 07:53:11 EDT

Nuckfuts posted : I'll believe it when I see it.

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 15:02:52 EDT

ghost901 posted : Anyone know if existing IPDSLAM users will see pair bonding upgrades or vdsl upgrades?

Re: Speed Upgrades Coming

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:41:34 EDT

iansltx posted : Hate to rain on anyone's parade, but those kinds of speeds will only be available to folks very close to the DSLAM/VRAD, even when using Pair Bonding.

Don't get me wrong. 75 Mbps service is better than TWC offers currently. However you'll probably need to be within 1500 feet of the VRAD to get that kind of speed...and you'll probably need to pick up TV from AT&T in order to get that package.

As for 24 Mbps over ADSL2+ (IP-DSLAM), you're looking at pretty much ideal conditions to get that kind of speed. As in, well under a mile from the DSLAM. And upload speeds will probably be limited to 2 Mbps; you aren't going to see Annex M and 22.5 Mbps per pair on the same ADSL2+ service.

Am I bitter that I can only get 3M IP-DSLAM DSL despite having a VRAD right outside my apartment complex? Yep. BUt more bitter that, even with AT&T's announced enhancements, they still will be a tad behind what TWC can do in most cases.

Speed Upgrades Coming

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 10:43:38 EDT

dlewis23 posted : Its about time. Hope it doesn't take too long.

»www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=2···id=35661

The Project VIP plan includes an upgrade for U-verse to speeds of up to 75Mbps and for U-verse IPDSLAM to speeds of up to 45Mbps, with a path to deliver even higher speeds in the future.

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