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Mike Premium,Mod join:2000-09-17 Pittsburgh, PA kudos:1	reply to Grail Knight Re: Alex Jones Detained By TSA TSA needs fully dismantled, top down. Reorganize as security, not security guards believing that they're the secret police.
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dave Premium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio kudos:8	reply to Steve But Steve, 83 different and independent web sites agree that "the TSA was forced to admit that it had kept records on Alex Jones and Matt Drudge". Oh, wait, they've all just cut'n'pasted the exact same text.
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dave Premium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio kudos:8	reply to StuartMW said by StuartMW: It shouldn't matter who the TSA kept records on. The fact that they do should matter. Sure, but with an admittedly short session of googling, I can't find out whether in fact the TSA ever "admitted" that they kept records on A. Jones. All I can see is A. Jones and his acolytes claiming that they "forced" the TSA to "admit" this. I don't consider A. Jones' web site (and copies of the text therefrom) to be a trustworthy source on the subject of the TSA's dealings with A. Jones.
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StuartMW Who Is John Galt? Premium join:2000-08-06 Galt's Gulch kudos:2 Reviews: ·CenturyLink	said by dave: ...I can't find out whether in fact the TSA ever "admitted" that they kept records on A. Jones. The TSA refuses to say one way or the other. From The Hill article linked above. quote: The lawsuit alleges TSA acknowledged receipt of the records request, but refused to release documents to Liberty Guard because it believed the information was "exempt from disclosure." In short they extended their middle finger and said FU. -- Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!
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dave Premium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio kudos:8	So Jones' web site claims that the TSA were 'forced' to 'admit' they kept records 'on' Alex Jones, but now it's just that the TSA refuses to say one way or the other? This slipperiness is why I distrust Jones' web site. It's hyperbole all the way.
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StuartMW Who Is John Galt? Premium join:2000-08-06 Galt's Gulch kudos:2 Reviews: ·CenturyLink	That maybe true. Since there is no written (or electronic) "proof" (the TSA won't say) one has to use their own judgment based on the history of the TSA etc. Some may say "show me the proof" and because no hard documentation is available will say the claims are bogus. Others will take the opposite view. -- Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!
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Steve I know your IP address Consultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA kudos:5	said by StuartMW: one has to use their own judgment based on the history of the TSA etc. That "etc" is a pretty weak way of admitting that others may well use their judgment based on a history of Alex Jones as well.
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StuartMW Who Is John Galt? Premium join:2000-08-06 Galt's Gulch kudos:2 Reviews: ·CenturyLink	Fair enough. That said I hadn't heard of him until today but I have been reading articles about the TSA for many years. From those I've drawn conclusions about how they operate. The claims are consistent IMO. YMMV. -- Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!
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Steve I know your IP address Consultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA kudos:5	said by StuartMW: I hadn't heard of him until today Alex Jones believes, among other things, that the US government was involved in the Oklahoma City bombings and the 9/11 attacks; this may explain why so many have as strident views about him as just about everybody has about the TSA
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Grail Knight Qui audet adipiscitur Premium join:2003-05-31 Valhalla kudos:6 Reviews: ·Time Warner Cable	reply to Mike Re: Alex Jones Detained By TSA quote: TSA needs fully dismantled, top down. Reorganize as security, not security guards believing that they're the secret police. I find it interesting how you would know what the TSA Organization thinks especially the employees. -- "Paranoia, the destroyer"
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StuartMW Who Is John Galt? Premium join:2000-08-06 Galt's Gulch kudos:2 Reviews: ·CenturyLink	reply to Steve said by Steve: Alex Jones believes, among other things, that the US government was involved in the Oklahoma City bombings and the 9/11 attacks... He's a "truther"? Oh the ironing. LOL. I'm sure he and Rosie O'Donnell would have a lot in common. Then again maybe not -- Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!
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Mike Premium,Mod join:2000-09-17 Pittsburgh, PA kudos:1 Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS Host: W.O.W. FairPoint World of Warcraft Site Tools Verizon Wireless	reply to Grail Knight It's my duty as a citizen to know government powers. I also know TSA has a bit of a PR problem due to illegal detentions and unreasonable targeting. Are they needed? Yes. Are they doing it wrong? Completely. -- "If something about the human body disgusts you, complain to the manufacturer" - Lenny Bruce What this country needs is a good five dollar plasma weapon.
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NetFixer From my cold dead hands Premium join:2004-06-24 The Boro Reviews: ·Comcast Business.. ·Vonage ·Cingular Wireless ·Comcast	said by Mike: It's my duty as a citizen to know government powers. I also know TSA has a bit of a PR problem due to illegal detentions and unreasonable targeting. Are they needed? Yes. Are they doing it wrong? Completely. Are they doing it wrong? That might depend on what their real agenda is. Immediately after the 9/11 attacks, it was pretty clear that the problem was a failure of the various intelligence agencies not talking to each other, combined with a nearly neutered post cold war air defense system. The private security agencies at the boarding points actually did what they were hired to do (at that time the box cutters that the hijackers took aboard as weapons were legally permitted in carry-on baggage as tools). Now everyone just gripes about the TSA. Is that really coincidental? -- A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.
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Lagz Premium join:2000-09-03 The Rock Reviews: ·AT&T DSL Service	reply to StuartMW Athletes foot SUX!!!!! One of Jones’ primary concerns regarding the removal of shoes was the fact that he had caught athletes foot from that very process in another airport years previously, meaning that he now carries a spare pair of socks to change into when he boards the aircraft. Jones emphasized that he was not a “clean freak” but that he never encountered such issues before having to take his shoes off at TSA security. -- When somebody tells you nothing is impossible, ask him to dribble a football.
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Ian Premium join:2002-06-18 ON kudos:1 Reviews: ·Rogers Hi-Speed	reply to StuartMW said by StuartMW: Fair enough. That said I hadn't heard of him until today but I have been reading articles about the TSA for many years. From those I've drawn conclusions about how they operate. The claims are consistent IMO. YMMV. The objections we raised was that Alex Jones himself is not a particularly trustworthy source. On Alex Jones, or pretty much anything else. And the article from the Hill doesn't really corroborate any of the more sensational allegations. Does the TSA keep files on Alex Jones specifically? Doubt it, and no evidence that they do has been presented thus far. Refusing a FOIA request is hardly proof of that. I could file all manner of frivolous requests to every 3 or more letter agency in the world for documents on myself. And it wouldn't surprise if some are refused. Their refusal to comply wouldn't constitute proof that they were "keeping files on me". If airport security asks you to remove your shoes, do so. I don't like it either, but I would take the train or a ship if it bothered me that much. I couldn't help but feel pity for the people in line forced to wait longer as Alex Jones created his self-indulgent little scene at the airport. -- “Any claim that the root of a problem is simple should be treated the same as a claim that the root of a problem is Bigfoot. Simplicity and Bigfoot are found in the real world with about the same frequency.” – David Wong
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Grail Knight Qui audet adipiscitur Premium join:2003-05-31 Valhalla kudos:6 Reviews: ·Time Warner Cable	reply to Mike Still sounds like your guessing as to what the TSA wants to be. PR problems affect many companies and government agencies and citizens themselves. I still believe the isolated incidents are caused by poor training, travelers actually creating an issue where none existed, and poorly written employee guidelines. -- "Paranoia, the destroyer"
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disconnected @snet.net	reply to Ian Taking a train or bus will soon involve TSA as well. A pilot program was tried in Tenn last fall. The federal agency is getting a budget to set up roadblock style security checkpoints on highways now. It's coming. Yesterday's tin is today's reality.
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ropeguru Premium join:2001-01-25 Mechanicsville, VA	reply to Mike said by Mike: Aren't the TSA glorified security guards? Can we disband these idiots yet, burn it down, and try again with maybe 60% less stupid? Nope... They have gone WAAAAAYYYY beyond glorified security guards you see in airports. »www.huffingtonpost.com/christoph···332.html said by Christopher Elliot : Turns out the TSA goes to NFL games and political conventions and all kinds of places that have little or nothing to do with air travel. It even has a special division called VIPR -- an unfortunate acronym for Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response team -- that conducts these searches. Few people know that $105 million of their taxpayer dollars are going to fund 37 VIPR teams in 2012, whose purpose is to "augment" the security of any mode of transportation. They don't realize that these VIPR teams can show up virtually anytime, anywhere and without warning, subjecting you to a search of your vehicle or person.
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ropeguru Premium join:2001-01-25 Mechanicsville, VA	reply to Grail Knight said by Grail Knight: quote: TSA needs fully dismantled, top down. Reorganize as security, not security guards believing that they're the secret police. I find it interesting how you would know what the TSA Organization thinks especially the employees. Actions speak louder than words. Apparently you never read any of the articles about how they abuse their powers against those going through airport security.
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