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Lagz
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Re: Alex Jones Detained By TSA

said by ropeguru:

said by Mike:

Aren't the TSA glorified security guards?

Can we disband these idiots yet, burn it down, and try again with maybe 60% less stupid?

Nope... They have gone WAAAAAYYYY beyond glorified security guards you see in airports.

To add to that ... The TSA's mission creep is making the US a police state. »www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree···ce-state

Ever since 2010, when the Transportation Security Administration started requiring that travelers in American airports submit to sexually intrusive gropings based on the apparent anti-terrorism principle that "If we can't feel your nipples, they must be a bomb", the agency's craven apologists have shouted down all constitutional or human rights objections with the mantra "If you don't like it, don't fly!"

This callous disregard for travelers' rights merely paraphrases the words of Homeland Security director Janet Napolitano, who shares, with the president, ultimate responsibility for all TSA travesties since 2009. In November 2010, with the groping policy only a few weeks old, Napolitano dismissed complaints by saying "people [who] want to travel by some other means" have that right. (In other words: if you don't like it, don't fly.)

But now TSA is invading travel by other means, too. No surprise, really: as soon as she established groping in airports, Napolitano expressed her desire to expand TSA jurisdiction over all forms of mass transit. In the past year, TSA's snakelike VIPR (Visual Intermodal Prevention and Response) teams have been slithering into more and more bus and train stations – and even running checkpoints on highways – never in response to actual threats, but apparently more in an attempt to live up to the inspirational motto displayed at the TSA's air marshal training center since the agency's inception: "Dominate. Intimidate. Control."

Its gone to far and its time we let the patriot act expire! Welcome to the Police States of America were personal liberties no longer mean anything to the powers that be!
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reply to ropeguru

They are not all of them.
They are individuals here and there causing problems.
Problems that apparently are addressed as well or have you not seen that?

Try not to assume to much.
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A couple of months ago, I had the misfortune to have to fly due to a family emergency. As usual, I expect a certain amount of arrogance and disrespect from the TSA twits. I was not disappointed. I was directed to the full body scanner by a TSA twit that had absolutely no idea how to address a person with a certain amount of respect. It was "Get in this line, now."

After going thru the full body scanner, I found that it is pretty much worthless. As I stepped out, I was asked if I had an artificial knee on my left leg. I replied no, and got groped due to a defective scanner.

The TSA so makes me feel secure about flying, NOT.



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I fly often as well and see the TSA in action.
Have yet to have had an issue myself with security but I know it happens.

I find it interesting in a bad way that people keep blaming the TSA instead of who is really at fault but that is for a different part of this site.
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Yes, I blame the TSA because their machine is not doing what it is supposed to do and the personnel are arrogant little, uneducated, twits.



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I blame who ultimately runs the TSA because without their oversight or perhaps with their blessing the TSA would not be running roughshod.
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said by Grail Knight:

I blame who ultimately runs the TSA because without their oversight or perhaps with their blessing the TSA would not be running roughshod.

OTOH, perhaps the TSA is just taking orders from above to deliberately be theatrical and outrageous in order to distract attention from far worse things that are being done in the name of homeland security.
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traveldewd

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said by StuartMW:

said by dave:

Alex Jones is the guy who owns the web site that has the article about Alex Jones that you linked to.

Why's it matter? Because Alex Jones's web site might not be unbiased on the matter of Alex Jones.

Perhaps not but Alex Jones wasn't even the point of my post. The point is clearly made in the quoted section.

Here it again.

quote:
Following the national opt out day protest in 2010, the TSA was forced to admit that it had kept records on Alex Jones and Matt Drudge, another prominent TSA critic, but refused to release details even after a FOIA request by former Congressman Bob Barr.

It shouldn't matter who the TSA kept records on. The fact that they do should matter.

I would be upset if they didn't have multiple threat lists with differring levels. After all it's common sense that those deemed threats receive more screening than those who aren't.

The more important question is not are there records but what criteria are used to deem individuals threats.

In the case of Alex Jones, Austin is his hometown airport so I'm sure he's talked about and the screeners decided to mess with him.


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I listen to CoastToCoastAM most nights. Most of what is on it is pathetically stupid and politically biased in the opposite direction that I, myself, am facing. Alex Jones comes on regularly and spews out hateful, nutcase, conspiracy theory bullcrap. As he talkes, he pants like a dog spitting out crazy accusations about stuff he knows nothing about, claiming all of it as though it were fact.

Frankly, I'm glad they are paying special attention to him, I could imagine him doing something bad, something harmful to others. I get mad at my government too, and often don't trust the workers in that government, but I don't go around spreading falsehoods and trying to incite violence, the worst I ever do is say I'm angry about something. He is dangerous because he's like an unlocked pistol in a room of young children. Sooner or later, because of him, something bad is going to happen.
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reply to StuartMW

Here's your handy guide to Alex Jones.

»www.splcenter.org/get-informed/i···ex-jones



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said by Shadow01:

You should expect no less from the communist states of america.

The day the patriot act was signed, we changed from a free nation to a socialist one.

I think you definitions need some work. Communism =/= Socialism.

Methinks we're getting closer to fascism or corporatism, actually.
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said by caffeinator:

Methinks we're getting closer to fascism...

You're probably correct there. That said all the "isms" are pretty much the same in terms of their effects.
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Alex Jones is as much at fault with this predicament as anyone, being the rabble rouser he is. »rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alex_Jones But, heck, getting a foot fungus again is yucky. »www.prisonplanet.com/alex-jones-···tsa.html Too bad he's not 75 and old enough to leave his shoes on.



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reply to StuartMW

said by StuartMW:

said by caffeinator:

Methinks we're getting closer to fascism...

You're probably correct there. That said all the "isms" are pretty much the same in terms of their effects.

It is kind of a parallel with 1929 Germany.


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Yeah, except without the Jews to blame.



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said by Mike:

Aren't the TSA glorified security guards?

Not entirely.... Just the airport screeners.


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said by burner50:

Just the airport screeners.

As someone pointed out above the TSA does more than just screen at airports.

I live 35 miles from the nearest airport but uniformed DHS/TSA agents have been seen in town. I know of nothing that would require TSA like security around here. What were they up to? Someone I know asked them and they gave a non-committal answer.
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said by StuartMW:

said by burner50:

Just the airport screeners.

...I live 35 miles from the nearest airport but uniformed DHS/TSA agents have been seen in town. I know of nothing that would require TSA like security around here. What were they up to?...

Hunting for that airport (they were, after all, TSA employees, with all the 'skills' that implies)... or maybe looking for the driver of a certain windowless gray van?
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said by Blackbird:

Hunting for that airport...

Looking for love airports in all the wrong places?
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He's not quite 40 years old? Man, he's a heart attack waiting to happen.



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quote:
If airport security asks you to remove your shoes, do so.

Do you know why they have you remove your shoes? The real reason?

From what I recently read, the metal detectors stop about 5 inches from the floor. The reason why is because men's shoes and some women's shoe have a steel shank in the arch for arch support.

So instead of extending the metal detectors range, we now have to remove our footware. As an extension of that, thanks to the sneaker bomber, they get sent through the xray machine.
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said by StuartMW:

said by burner50:

Just the airport screeners.

As someone pointed out above the TSA does more than just screen at airports.

I live 35 miles from the nearest airport but uniformed DHS/TSA agents have been seen in town. I know of nothing that would require TSA like security around here. What were they up to? Someone I know asked them and they gave a non-committal answer.

I don't know everything they do, but they also work in freight rail yards.

Every once in awhile, I'll see a few suburbans with a full tactical team inside... all with TSA Credentials. I don't mind having TSA around... but I don't deal with body scanners, pat downs, etc...

I work in a high threat urban area, and on more than one occasion, they have accompanied me when I spot a load of some particularly nasty stuff at a customer facility. They seem more interested in making sure that my positive handoff paperwork is correct than anything.
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traveldewd

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said by StuartMW:

said by burner50:

Just the airport screeners.

As someone pointed out above the TSA does more than just screen at airports.

I live 35 miles from the nearest airport but uniformed DHS/TSA agents have been seen in town. I know of nothing that would require TSA like security around here. What were they up to? Someone I know asked them and they gave a non-committal answer.

I'm confused, were they DHS or TSA? DHS has its own "agents" outside of TSA.

As to TSA, it is the Transportation Security Agency which covers all modes of transportation, not just airports. Of course you also don't know they might just like the coffee in town.

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Alex Jones is a freaking loony nutcase. I don't blame the government for putting him a on watch list. Here are just a few examples of conspiracy theories Jones has promoted:

• The Oklahoma City Bombing was "carried out by intelligence agencies" with "Bill Clinton's involvement."

The government is using products like juice boxes to "encourage homosexuality with chemicals so that people don't have children."

• The U.S. government was behind the 9/11 attacks. Jones describes himself as being on "the front lines of the growing global information war from ground zero to the occult playgrounds of the power-mad elite. Jones predicted the attacks on September 11th, 2001 and is considered one of the very first founding fathers of the 9-11 Truth Movement."

• The government has set up FEMA concentration camps in America, and "the military-industrial complex is transforming our once free nation into a giant prison camp."

• President Obama is transforming the United States into "something that resembles Nazi Germany, with forced National Service, domestic civilian spies, warrantless wiretaps, the destruction of the Second Amendment, FEMA camps and Martial Law."

• The BP oil spill "could have been manufactured."

Jones has also pushed numerous conspiracy theories about weather control, mass sterilization, and the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster. In June 2012, Jones' Infowars.com promoted the myth that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) was using drones to spy on Midwestern ranchers. Finally, the radio host has declared that Obama's birth certificate is a fraud.

Expand your moderator at work


traveldewd

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Re: Alex Jones Detained By TSA

said by Snakeoil:

quote:
If airport security asks you to remove your shoes, do so.

Do you know why they have you remove your shoes? The real reason?

From what I recently read, the metal detectors stop about 5 inches from the floor. The reason why is because men's shoes and some women's shoe have a steel shank in the arch for arch support.

So instead of extending the metal detectors range, we now have to remove our footware. As an extension of that, thanks to the sneaker bomber, they get sent through the xray machine.

That would be a misinterpretation of the NIJ's standard test procedure which starts with a test object at ankle height.

Commonsense would dictate if this were correct then we would have been removing our shoes prior to 9/11 since WTDMs have been in place at airports for quite some time.

So if the metal detectors didn't detect metal in shoes prior to the shoe bomber, how where they inspected.


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You know there are times that I wished posting sites had the following feature the applied to all members.

Whenever a member clicks to access a thread for the first time the only thing that would come up would be the OP, nothing else in the thread. The poster then would have to click an affirmation they had read the OP. That would then trigger total and unrestricted access to everything posted in that thread.

The TSA sucks. In more ways than one. Requests for information under the federal FOIA allows for exemption that can be loosely interpreted or applied by the agency from which the information is being requested.

I never heard of Alex Jones until today on another website forum where a well known crazy poster there of the opposite ideological perspective was making fun of Jones and some problem Jones had when appearing on the Piers Morgan show.

One political loon poster complaining making fun of another political loon "poster" and talking head.

Meanwhile the TSA is a perfect example of the saying, "I'm from the government and I am here to help you."



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I first read of this on DI yesterday and i cant believe Alex DID ANYTHING THEY WANTED!!!!! (Alex is supposed to be setting an example of how NOT TO BE A PAWN for them)