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dslcreature
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Re: Alex Jones Detained By TSA

This does beg the question how is it in a free society people would be prepared to tolerate secret lists for secret reasons with no trial and no recourse?

Freedom is not just about the rights of citizens its about protecting institutions from human nature (power = corruption).

It is not surprising TSA would leverage its power to harass dissenters. The only surprise is that its tolerated.



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said by dslcreature:

This does beg the question how is it in a free society people would be prepared to tolerate secret lists for secret reasons with no trial and no recourse?

Freedom is not just about the rights of citizens its about protecting institutions from human nature (power = corruption).

It is not surprising TSA would leverage its power to harass dissenters. The only surprise is that its tolerated.

That is the difference between theory (and a feeling for what is "right") and how the real world works. J. Edgar Hoover had his own private enemies list (which he used in his role of FBI director), and also his own private list of where a great many skeletons were buried (and who put them there). It was the latter list that kept anyone from seriously complaining about the former list as long as he lived.

Even at the local level, it would be a very unusual local PD or Sheriff's office that did not maintain an "unofficial" enemies list that was utilized when it was felt that the need was present.
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dslcreature
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Re: Alex Jones Detained By TSA

In the real world you can keep a list of people you dislike but you don't get to punch them in the face without facing legal consequences.

Nixon can hate Jack Anderson all he wants. Does not mean he gets to execute him.

Examples of corruption and illegal activities of past leaders does not legitimize their behavior any more than robbery legitimizes stealing.



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said by dslcreature:

In the real world you can keep a list of people you dislike but you don't get to punch them in the face without facing legal consequences.

Nixon can hate Jack Anderson all he wants. Does not mean he gets to execute him.

Examples of corruption and illegal activities of past leaders does not legitimize their behavior any more than robbery legitimizes stealing.

You are attempting to attribute words that I did not use in my previous post to me. Nowhere in my previous post did I make any reference to whether the use of a private enemies (or hit) list by politically powerful people/organizations was legitimate (or not). There is a huge difference between simply recognizing that something exists, and making a judgement about its "legitimacy". Eventually, history is the judge of an action's legitimacy (and that often of course, depends somewhat upon who is writing the history).

My rather obvious point was that such lists were/are kept by politically powerful people/organizations, and that should come as no surprise to anyone with a basic knowledge of history or current events.

And yes, the people/organizations who keep/kept such lists sometimes do/did indeed have individuals on said lists executed with impunity. Whether such an action is/was "legitimate" or not has no direct relationship to whether that action is/was taken or not. Such activity has happened in the past, and it continues to happen today (in the real world).
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said by StuartMW:

I don't know who Alex Jones is, and don't really care, but this part of the article caught my eye.

I don't believe that first statement. You've routinely posted links to infowars.com, Alex Jones's site.

»Video Shows TSA's Bizarre New Security Policy

»DHS Prepares for Civil Unrest...

»Re: Beware the spy in the sky (last link in your post)

»Re: Groups Concerned Over Arming Of Domestic Drones


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said by fatness:

I don't believe that first statement.

LOL. Call me a liar and see if I care

I post lots of links. Doesn't mean I frequent those sites and agree/disgree with them. I usually get them from somewhere else (news sites etc).
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I wouldn't call you a liar. It might just mean that you repost links without checking into their origin or credibility.



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said by dave:

I wouldn't call you a liar. It might just mean that you repost links without checking into their origin or credibility.

         
Isn't that pretty much the normal procedure for this forum?
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said by dave:

I wouldn't call you a liar.

You didn't. Pretty sure fatness See Profile did but whatever.
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said by StuartMW:

said by dave:

I wouldn't call you a liar.

You didn't. Pretty sure fatness See Profile did but whatever.

Like J. Edgar, fatness See Profile can pretty much do whatever he likes.
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reply to StuartMW

said by StuartMW:

said by dave:

I wouldn't call you a liar.

You didn't. Pretty sure fatness See Profile did but whatever.

If I'd thought I had done so, I would have said "I didn't...". But I in fact stated my intention (for the immediate future, at least) of not doing so.


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said by dave:

But I in fact stated my intention (for the immediate future, at least) of not doing so.

Awww, just go ahead. You'll feel much better

You can also call me a tin-foil hatter, a racist, and anything else you think applies.
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said by NetFixer:

Like J. Edgar, fatness See Profile can pretty much do whatever he likes.

Does fatness wear dresses?


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said by Bob4:

said by NetFixer:

Like J. Edgar, fatness See Profile can pretty much do whatever he likes.

Does fatness wear dresses?

Don't ask...don't tell.
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said by NetFixer:

Don't ask...don't tell.

Wasn't that repealed?
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said by StuartMW:

said by NetFixer:

Don't ask...don't tell.

Wasn't that repealed?

Asking or telling ya, wearing dresses, nah.