1 edit | Shaw no support new Super HD from Netflix, boo! I'm disappointed that Shaw isn't working with Netflix to deliver Super HD via its free open connect program for ISPs see: netflix.com/superhd
It's worse because TELUS is mentioned as being a partner. It makes me think I've made a mistake getting Internet from Shaw if they are not keeping up with up technology and undermining customers for competitive reasons.
Reliability of my connection has also deteriorated in recent months. This saddens me as I've always been a happy Shaw customer. For the first time, I'm looking at TELUS. |
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| What is the "Open Connect Network" and why would Netflix make it a requirement.
? It says you only need 5mbps for SuperHD (which is pretty much most Shaw packages). Why didn't they just make it another quality setting when you login?
It seems to me that Netflix has made an unnecessary hoop for ISPs to jump through? |
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fender
join:2007-07-23
Vancouver, BC | reply to Dominnanaimo
I don't have intimate knowledge of the situation but I would suspect that the Open Connect Network is a peering agreement with providers.
Essentially at peering locations (Major telecommunication hubs) providers will make direct connections with provider networks.
Amazon, Google, Facebook, Netflix -- all companies make these peering agreements with each other where they can share data traffic across their networks without incurring the additional cost of involving a third party transit provider.
It improves the quality of service for the ISP's customers and lowers their cost to provide content. |
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balur
join:2010-04-28
kudos:1 | reply to zod5000
said by zod5000:What is the "Open Connect Network" and why would Netflix make it a requirement. Based on this page »signup.netflix.com/openconnect
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ISPs can directly connect their networks to Open Connect for free. ISPs can do this either by free peering with us at common Internet exchanges, or can save even more transit costs by putting our free storage appliances in or near their network.
It sounds like the requirement is that the ISP has to either
1) Agree to peer with network for free.
2) Agree to mirror for netflix for free.
Its about Netflix saving costs on bandwidth. |
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fender
join:2007-07-23
Vancouver, BC | It saves both parties money. This type of agreement is as old as consumer broadband.
They aren't usually monetary in nature. It's more of a barter.
More reading if you're interested.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peering |
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| »twitter.com/Shawhelp/status/2887···84809728
They replied to my question about it...
@amrod_69 We don't currently have any information to share regarding this, We will let you know when we do. ^PG |
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This isn't in the best interests of some ISPs as they lose traffic coming in which may mean less revenue or a more unbalanced relationship with peering partners.
For other ISPs who suffer too much congestion, this is beneficial because it can improve connection quality during peak times.
The name and branding is pure stupidity, I had to go through a few sites to find out that all this is, is 1080p and 3D streaming. 1080p Streaming is nice enough but I don't know anybody who uses a 3D TV.
Honestly, I doubt anybody will really care about this offering or bother actually telling their ISP to support Netflix. |
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| said by komal:For other ISPs who suffer too much congestion, this is beneficial because it can improve connection quality during peak times.
Isn't congestion usually at the node level? IE the peering in the background would only save the isp whatever their wholesale bandwidth rates are? As far as distribution they would still be sending all the data through the nodes to the customers, and thus still run into congested node problems? |
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| congestion can be at any point between you, and the IP you are getting content from... For the most part this depends on the infrastructure of your ISP.. both their long haul links and at the node level.
The congestion can also be outside of the reach of your ISP... like how my netflix performance (everything else is awesome) during the evening is junk, but next AM it's awesome.
Having fewer hops and a better route to netflix would benefit any customer who uses the service (not just those with the ability to use the new 3D) |
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Everything I see, seems to be about saving Netflix money.
Peer with the bigger ISPs, so that Netflix doesn't have to pay transit moving their data - and this won't necessarly help with poor quality due to poor speeds/congestion.
I'm courious how Netflix got into the Peering centers, and how many HD streaming customers it will take to saturate their connection.
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| I can see why it would be unfair for Shaw to degrade a competing video product. That is obvious. I'm not sure what the financial incentive would be for them to help improve netflix? :P |
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| »signup.netflix.com/superhd
Your Internet Provider is ready for Super HD!
Your Internet Provider is part of the Open Connect network, a free partnership with Netflix. Netflix will automatically play movies and TV shows in Super HD on a supported device if your connection is fast enough.
Sometimes it says this other times it says not supported |
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said by Dominnanaimo:It's worse because TELUS is mentioned as being a partner.
Not sure if you know but Telus VOD title library is like less that one tenth of Shaw's and its even worse if you look at the ratio on HD titles offered. TELUS STB's aren't even 1080P capable and HDMI not officially supported. Hence why it would make sense for a company that has serious content limitations to look at something like this. Then again the Netflix "super" content can really still be counted by fingers but would obviously grow in time. I'd be more scared that Telus knows streaming Super HD Netflix is going to eat 5-6 times the bandwidth usage a current Netflix HD stream does coupled with them slashing bandwidth caps the $$$ signs must be an additional main reason for business profits. |
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| reply to amrod_69
you using regular shaw dns? |
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| Am using unblock-us |
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fender
join:2007-07-23
Vancouver, BC | reply to kevinds
said by kevinds:I'm courious how Netflix got into the Peering centers, and how many HD streaming customers it will take to saturate their connection.
Because Netflix traffic is a considerable and measurable percentage of overall traffic.
Peering makes sense for all parties involved.
»www.sandvine.com/news/pr_detail.asp?ID=394 |
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| reply to Branflakes
What department do you work for in shaw? |
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| reply to fender
said by fender:said by kevinds:I'm courious how Netflix got into the Peering centers, and how many HD streaming customers it will take to saturate their connection.
Because Netflix traffic is a considerable and measurable percentage of overall traffic. Peering makes sense for all parties involved. » www.sandvine.com/news/pr_detail.asp?ID=394 It depends on your point of view. Why would a cableco want to make it easier for people to use an alternative video service? It's supporting the competition? I'm not surprised shaw isn't in a rush to support it. Let's spend extra many to setup this infrastructure to make netflix better so people have an even bigger reason not to use our cable services... lol |
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fender
join:2007-07-23
Vancouver, BC | Because people are going to use it anyway -- so why not eliminate the transit costs and lower the overall cost of doing business while raising the monthly rates every 6 months for the end user? |
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Yes, but I wasn't aware that Netflix had their own fiber network, this was the first I've heard of it.
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