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fender

join:2007-07-23
Vancouver, BC
reply to kevinds

Re: Shaw no support new Super HD from Netflix, boo!

said by kevinds:

I'm courious how Netflix got into the Peering centers, and how many HD streaming customers it will take to saturate their connection.

Because Netflix traffic is a considerable and measurable percentage of overall traffic.

Peering makes sense for all parties involved.

»www.sandvine.com/news/pr_detail.asp?ID=394


amrod_69

@shawcable.net
reply to familypizza

Am using unblock-us


familypizza

join:2013-01-07
reply to amrod_69

you using regular shaw dns?



Branflakes

@74.198.150.x
reply to Dominnanaimo

said by Dominnanaimo:

It's worse because TELUS is mentioned as being a partner.

Not sure if you know but Telus VOD title library is like less that one tenth of Shaw's and its even worse if you look at the ratio on HD titles offered. TELUS STB's aren't even 1080P capable and HDMI not officially supported. Hence why it would make sense for a company that has serious content limitations to look at something like this. Then again the Netflix "super" content can really still be counted by fingers but would obviously grow in time. I'd be more scared that Telus knows streaming Super HD Netflix is going to eat 5-6 times the bandwidth usage a current Netflix HD stream does coupled with them slashing bandwidth caps the $$$ signs must be an additional main reason for business profits.


amrod_69

@shawcable.net
reply to ravenchilde

»signup.netflix.com/superhd

Your Internet Provider is ready for Super HD!
Your Internet Provider is part of the Open Connect network, a free partnership with Netflix. Netflix will automatically play movies and TV shows in Super HD on a supported device if your connection is fast enough.

Sometimes it says this other times it says not supported


ravenchilde

join:2011-04-01
kudos:2
reply to kevinds

I can see why it would be unfair for Shaw to degrade a competing video product. That is obvious. I'm not sure what the financial incentive would be for them to help improve netflix? :P


kevinds
Premium
join:2003-05-01
Calgary, AB
kudos:3
Reviews:
·Shaw
reply to Dominnanaimo

Everything I see, seems to be about saving Netflix money.

Peer with the bigger ISPs, so that Netflix doesn't have to pay transit moving their data - and this won't necessarly help with poor quality due to poor speeds/congestion.

I'm courious how Netflix got into the Peering centers, and how many HD streaming customers it will take to saturate their connection.
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Yes, I am not employed and looking for IT work. Have passport, will travel.


familypizza

join:2013-01-07
reply to zod5000

congestion can be at any point between you, and the IP you are getting content from... For the most part this depends on the infrastructure of your ISP.. both their long haul links and at the node level.

The congestion can also be outside of the reach of your ISP... like how my netflix performance (everything else is awesome) during the evening is junk, but next AM it's awesome.

Having fewer hops and a better route to netflix would benefit any customer who uses the service (not just those with the ability to use the new 3D)


zod5000

join:2003-10-21
Victoria, BC
Reviews:
·Shaw
reply to komal

said by komal:

For other ISPs who suffer too much congestion, this is beneficial because it can improve connection quality during peak times.

Isn't congestion usually at the node level? IE the peering in the background would only save the isp whatever their wholesale bandwidth rates are? As far as distribution they would still be sending all the data through the nodes to the customers, and thus still run into congested node problems?

komal

join:2003-02-16
reply to Dominnanaimo

This isn't in the best interests of some ISPs as they lose traffic coming in which may mean less revenue or a more unbalanced relationship with peering partners.

For other ISPs who suffer too much congestion, this is beneficial because it can improve connection quality during peak times.

The name and branding is pure stupidity, I had to go through a few sites to find out that all this is, is 1080p and 3D streaming. 1080p Streaming is nice enough but I don't know anybody who uses a 3D TV.

Honestly, I doubt anybody will really care about this offering or bother actually telling their ISP to support Netflix.



amrod_69

@shawcable.net
reply to fender

»twitter.com/Shawhelp/status/2887···84809728

They replied to my question about it...
@amrod_69 We don't currently have any information to share regarding this, We will let you know when we do. ^PG


fender

join:2007-07-23
Vancouver, BC
reply to balur

It saves both parties money. This type of agreement is as old as consumer broadband.

They aren't usually monetary in nature. It's more of a barter.

More reading if you're interested.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peering


balur

join:2010-04-28
kudos:1
reply to zod5000

said by zod5000:

What is the "Open Connect Network" and why would Netflix make it a requirement.

Based on this page »signup.netflix.com/openconnect

quote:
ISPs can directly connect their networks to Open Connect for free. ISPs can do this either by free peering with us at common Internet exchanges, or can save even more transit costs by putting our free storage appliances in or near their network.
It sounds like the requirement is that the ISP has to either

1) Agree to peer with network for free.
2) Agree to mirror for netflix for free.

Its about Netflix saving costs on bandwidth.

fender

join:2007-07-23
Vancouver, BC
reply to Dominnanaimo

I don't have intimate knowledge of the situation but I would suspect that the Open Connect Network is a peering agreement with providers.

Essentially at peering locations (Major telecommunication hubs) providers will make direct connections with provider networks.

Amazon, Google, Facebook, Netflix -- all companies make these peering agreements with each other where they can share data traffic across their networks without incurring the additional cost of involving a third party transit provider.

It improves the quality of service for the ISP's customers and lowers their cost to provide content.


zod5000

join:2003-10-21
Victoria, BC
Reviews:
·Shaw
reply to Dominnanaimo

What is the "Open Connect Network" and why would Netflix make it a requirement.
? It says you only need 5mbps for SuperHD (which is pretty much most Shaw packages). Why didn't they just make it another quality setting when you login?

It seems to me that Netflix has made an unnecessary hoop for ISPs to jump through?


Dominnanaimo

join:2013-01-08
Nanaimo, BC

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I'm disappointed that Shaw isn't working with Netflix to deliver Super HD via its free open connect program for ISPs see: netflix.com/superhd

It's worse because TELUS is mentioned as being a partner. It makes me think I've made a mistake getting Internet from Shaw if they are not keeping up with up technology and undermining customers for competitive reasons.

Reliability of my connection has also deteriorated in recent months. This saddens me as I've always been a happy Shaw customer. For the first time, I'm looking at TELUS.